More hypocrisy from the Guardian - why does Petridish get away with it when Big Ron doesn't?

Right. Try again.

Erstwhile Grauniad sports columnist Ron Atkinson gets the boot from the paper for his indisputably stupid comment.

Meanwhile, the Petridish makes fun of how funny those black people talk and keeps his job.

Still, I suppose selective racism is all par for the course at the Grauniad these days - they certainly have no problem using it against Palestinians on a daily basis.

this makes me think he's a bigger wanker and has prompted me to revive my old home. big piece coming up over the weekend. condescending, arrogant fool of a man.

The NERD interview in the Grau a while back was full of racist undercurrents too... can't remember who did it, it wasn't Petridish.

The strange thing about Petridish is how failure seems to be all around him. Failed music magazine editor, failed TV presenter, and most of his Grauniad articles seem to be about failure; failure to interview Kraftwerk, failure to find out what the first rock and roll song was.

Also, when he does his kneejerk jibing at bloggers, does it never occur to him that the Pro and Blogger camps overlap, i.e. there are people like Stelfox, me, Reynolds, Darnielle etc. who do earn at least part of their living from writing about music professionally, just the same as he does? So the subtext of "you bloggers are jealous because I get paid for doing this and you don't" doesn't stand up (and anyway I know all about pay scales at the Grauniad - Petridish ain't getting paid that much).

I can't remember exactly what it was, but there was definitely something about "NERD are much better than all those other hip-hop people because they're inspired by white rock musicians".

(found it - a new archetype of "the smart, witty, literate black nerd who, ignoring the playas and thugs, flaunts his love of sci-fi and white rock'n'roll", then it goes on about ooh aren't NERD so good because they like Coldplay and Radiohead)

I used to like Dave Tompkins' writing in The Wire but boy was he so wrong about The College Dropout.

mmm, alex, i don't think that flies. i think it's more a crate-digging thing. the orthodox view is that nerd/the neps have a wider view of music as a whole than other hip-hop producers, according to their sources. personally i think this is actually total bullshit. i think this for many reasons, but i do know the guy who was responsible for swizzbeats's sample-clearance and some of his sources were mind-blowing, much more diverse than the neptunes. the times is not a good place to write features for - reviews, it's great and they pay well.

This has been covered on threads previous, though.

If only it were so long ago, perhaps we could forget...it was 2001:

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I interviewed DJ Spinna a while back and he kept banging on about the amazing drums on "In The Air Tonight" (fair comment, as it happens). I think it's a simple US/UK split here - PC doesn't have "twat" tattooed so obviously across his forehead in the US.

Don't know anything about journalism but this sounds about right - never trust a liberal/ hippy. Mark S or Mark E. Smith?

If it's any consolation, novelists take the piss out of people who publish on the internet as well, it's not just music journalists. I suppose they're just trying to discourage people so that they have less competition. Trouble is, it works.

PJ Miller - you know Petridis used to be on Sinister?

Petridish is read by a comparatively tiny amount of people. 99% of them won't be able to tell you what his column said half an hour after they've finished reading it. The other 1% are music journalists.

1) duet with phillip bailey

2) "sussudio" sokay fake prince

3) what dave said re: "in the air tonight"

4) if the breaks site wasn't down there might be more (dude is a drummer)

phil collins is reognized as a twat over here though (cf: south park episode that introduced 'timmy!')

What an utter fucking shithead, I've defended him before but this is ridiculous, read a fucking blog, they're nothing like that, just good writers/nice people. What a totally ignorant position that is, he simply places a few academic references in the right place in a sarcastic tone in order to ridicule people but what he's really doing is painting himself as an enemy of knowledge, and suggesting that in depth analysis is something radical, something which should be ignored. And in a paper that's supposed to be liberal!

I can't believe that, that's a terrible approach and I am certain it's jealousy, I realise that's wheeled out alot but I know for a fact most paid journos would kill to write like the main bloggers, mainly because I myself feel that way.

I don't know if it's racist or not but it's certainly annoyed me this morning.

(Easy Lover rules also, as I said on ILX, we NEED an Alan Braxe or a Bangalter mix of it, desperately)

"THEY'RE HOLDING YOU BACK AT THE GUARDIAN SON. TRY THE TIMES"

"THEY'RE HOLDING YOU BACK AT THE GUARDIAN SON - TRY THE TIMES"

Have you any idea how lonely it is being a rightie in the heart of Glenda Jackson country?

That having been said I am voting for Glenda at the next election 'cos she gives me the hots.

I'm just being honest.

about as lonely as being the only sane voice on this messageboard?

Syd Barret in Sanest Man On ILM shockah!
-- Dadaismus (kcoyne3...), April 23rd, 2004.

The Sin of Pride ... complete with spelling mistake

I like Miller on the private detective of pop.

I like it when the Doc tries to calm people down.

And N. is tremendous. I am not sure whether I am reluctant to say this. Perhaps not.

I have not read the Petridis piece. I think he likes too much music, and too much bad music.

only an appearance here by michael winner could make this board any worse.

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I wouldn't bother with a Petridis article unless it was about The Stockholm Monsters, Chic or The Pinefox.

I tend to expect that on the news more from meaty fortysomething ex-jocks on ESPN interviewing Kobe or the like, but then again Woodward's not writing about him yet.

As for the rest of the thread, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. (Except for Sarah's visual.)

Cor. But didn't we end up shouting at each other last time - about reggae or Morrissey covers or something? Anyway, I'd like to come - I will try and fit in a fleeting visit, but I have first to consult 'er indoors about what she's doing. Also we're trying to figure out if our next door neighbour has died - there are some strange comings and goings and crying women in the street. It's all a bit grim. Also I have something to send you - can u email me?

All streets in time are visited.

Ha - the thing I want to send you involves Larkin in a small way.

Palace- ‘its not like an urge, its more like a duty’. Here will oldham seems to be drawing attention to the differences between a Humean and a Kantian view of motivation. Rather than aligning himself with the Humean view that only desires, which assail us as ‘urges’, can motivate us to act intentionally, the bonnie prince shows some support for the Kantian view that the cognitive recognition that an act conforms to duty (rather than simply desiring the performance of the act, or the outcome of the act) can itself provide motivation to act. Whether he agrees with Kant that only acts performed out of a sense of duty are morally virtuous is unclear. He doesn’t come across as someone much concerned with morality.

Anyway... since when did music blogs become exempt from satire? Satire is, almost by definition, a cruel and blunt instrument, and there is certainly plenty to satirise in music bloggage. And this wasn't even particularly cruel or blunt satire!

petridis has my blessing now.

(although I imagine he was only talking about UK blogs)

To the moon and back, Marcello. You speaka my heart on this... The Times has been one of my happiest and most successful (and certainly longest) creative relationships. There are some good writers at the Guardian/Observer (kitty empire, maddy costa, dave simpson, ian gittins) but the bad outweighs the good, and the clueless outweighs them all.

Don't even get me started on the blinkered middle-class bias. ICK.

Moaning about certain magazines and writers is even more pathetic when you've seen some of the begging letters from some those writing here. Sour grapes doesn't even begin to cover it.

For the first time ever I think I'm in total agreement with Kate. Too much of ILM is just patronising, condescending and plain nasty.

The accusation of jealousy that comes tottering out every time somebody dares to criticise a professional journalist is laughable, really. Perhaps it would bear more weight if people who used it cared to name names, rather than pout knowingly.

Now Thierry Henry, there's somebody to aspire to be...

cock.

I don't see the review as racist. It's classist, yeah, takes potshots at those poncey intellectual types with their theory & their love of music that no assumedly 'right-thinking' person would want to listen to regularly (because "sonic experimentation", let's not forget, creates music that you're not supposed to enjoy but only appreciate with a po-faced chin-stroking theory-heavy pose). It sneers a little at those horrible urban lumpen-proletariat kids who have the audacity to speak in slang the middle classes don't understand, can't explain why they listen to it beyond the implicit idea that the music echoes their lives and their language, "crude", "impenetrable" and unappealing to the mainstream. He's identifying them as inner-city teens, though, not as a racial group, and characterising them by their slang doesn't say shit about their ethnic origins or identity, not in London at least. He may call it a "patois", but it's not a language restricted to West Indians - you hear it from second-generation Greeks, children of white British families, anyone.

It's a valid point, that interest in grime is polarised: he expresses it in exaggerated, classist terms, but he's speaking to the middle and not that good a journalist, so it's not all that surprising.

I'm actually really bored with this sort of thing. Analysis is good, yes, but sometimes it sucks the joy out of pop.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/aug/01/popandrock1

And more than anything, I think of how when people talk of Power's voice, they speak of its heaviness, how sultry, how treacly it runs.

http://www.hulahoops.com/images/hulahistory/image_1995.jpg

Laura Barton always writes drivel.

When I think of her voice I get embarrassed and think of wedding karaoke. So trifle rather than treacle.