For years now, the Christian rock scene has been one of the few vibrant rock scenes going in America?

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From a story in the NYT Magazine this weekend:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/02/magazine/02WWLN.html

"For years now, the Christian rock scene has been one of the few vibrant rock scenes going in America. As hip-hop and urban R&B began to dominate the commercial airwaves, the traditional sounds of the guitar-based combo found a sanctuary in church auditoriums. By staying at least a little behind the times, P.O.D. and other Christian bands, like Amish farmers, were able to buy up neglected musical acreage, cultivate it using traditional methods and, ultimately, make it pay."

Really? Is Christian rock really that vibrant?

agw, Monday, 3 May 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Who wrote this story ?o

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I think this is backhanded praise.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Church organs have always been the greatest fucking sound in music.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

the greatest fucking sound

Well, certain organs do make fucking sounds...this is true s

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.kabb.no/images/dctalk.jpg

Cool or Fool?

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

If P.O.D. is the best argument the journalist's got, I think we can safely ignore this one.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I never ever ever wanna hear that "Boom" song again.

Broheems (diamond), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

hip-hop forced christians to play guitar-based music in church auditoriums? that's sad.

I liked Kirn's book Up In The Air so I'll stay out of this though.(i usually cringe when otherwise good writers talk about the rock and the roll.)

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Its definitely a HUGE scene, although I suppose whether or not its "vibrant" depends on yr perspective.

(there's a lot of christian hip-hop too)

djdee2005, Monday, 3 May 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

By staying at least a little behind the times,
P.O.D. and other Christian bands, like Amish farmers, were able to buy up neglected musical acreage, cultivate it using traditional methods and, ultimately,
make it pay

I think (just from reading the paragraph, not the article) that he's saying it's economically vibrant, not necessarily artistically, in fact he's saying it's not artistically vibrant.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Satanic rock better.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

but do Amish farmers?

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

you know, the traditional sounds of the guitar-based combo can be found in my house as well! maybe i'm christian and i didn't know it.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

the guitar mass will never die though. like jesus.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Haven't any of the Christian Rock bands heard of Gospel?

Or better yet, Atheism?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)


hip-hop forced christians to play guitar-based music in church auditoriums? that's sad.

I was about to say. Anyway, I'm from the land of the OC Supertones, and that really is all I have to say about that. But on the flipside, OC was also the home of Tooth and Nail for many years before they split to Seattle, and compared to most Christian rock bands their roster actually had some moments, thus Starflyer 59. I still think Joy Electric are pretty damned fantastic in their synth-pop revival -- take them over those DC Talk clowns any day on both the subject matter front and the musical front.

Then there was Power Source, a sort of front by PTL that had the utterly gooey and ridiculous top ten hit "Dear Mr. Jesus" in the mid-eighties...but that's going back in time.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Really, I found a lot of Christian music to be nothing more than aped secular music, but less interesting.

uh (eetface), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

soul junk to thread!
danielson famile to thread!

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

gospel rules, though, even though I have no religious affiliation.

uh (eetface), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't get me wrong, I am a Christian rock fan:

Have you ever thought about your soul? Can it be saved?
Or perhaps you think that when you are dead you just stay in your grave.
Is God just a thought within your head or is he a part of you?
Is Christ just a name that you read in a book when you were in school?

When you think about death do you lose your breath or do you keep your cool?
Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope? Do you think he's a fool?
(Well/Will) I see the truth.
Yes I've seen the light and I've changed my ways.
And I'll be prepared when you're lonely and scared at the end of our days.

Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say
If they knew you believed in God above?
They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to love.

Is your mind so small that you have to fall
In with the pack wherever they run?
Will you still sneer when death is near
And say that you may as well worship the sun.

I think it is true it was people like you that crucified Christ
I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced.
Will you be so sure when your day is near say you don't believe?
You had the chance but you turned it down (now/no) you can't retrieve.

Perhaps you think before you say God is dead and gone
Open your eyes, just realize that he is the one,
The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate.
Or will you jeer at all you hear?
Yes! I think it's too late.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I love that song! Then again I love that album.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Scott you are the man. After Ozzy I mean. Ozzy is the man. But then you are the man. And then Jesus.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

i interned at atlantic records when P.O.D. first came out--that was a total laugh. part of their press release was about how their fans have them autograph bibles.....ummmm...for the christians, those don't seem to grasp the concept of blasphemy.

waxyjax (waxyjax), Monday, 3 May 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

that was a total laugh. part of their press release was about how [POD] fans have them autograph bibles.....ummmm...for the christians, those don't seem to grasp the concept of blasphemy.

Lamers. Stryper used to throw Gideon Bibles at their audience.
But that was way before guitar bands retreated to the tabernacles and places of worship on Amish farms.

George Smith, Monday, 3 May 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

The NYT Christian rock story missed the newest act: Michael Jackson's Rubbers: Members are required to be vegetarians who fast on Sundays and avoid drugs, watch two episodes of The Three Stooges a day, and know the Peter Pan story.

Harry Klam, Monday, 3 May 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

around 1978-79 I was hitchiking from Michigan to Ohio and a college-age guy picked me up. "What kind of music do you like?" he asked. "I've got everything: hard rock, soft rock, folk, disco," and so on. Only problem was, none of the (Ithink) 8-tracks were by familiar groups or singers, and I worked in a record store so I was a major music geek at this point. When I pointed this out, he confessed: "well, they're all christian music." I asked if we could listen to the radio.
God, I actually interviewed Stryper but that's another story.

lovebug starski, Monday, 3 May 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

It's natural, it's a release.
It's natural, it's a release.
It's a release, it's a release, it's a release.
It's a release, it's a release, it's a release.

A release from what -- your sexual appetite?
Forget it -- get real! It's artificial sex!

[Chorus:]
Masturbation is artificial sex!
Masturbation is artificial sex!
Masturbation is artificial sex!
Don't do it! Wait! No!

Some of you will one day find a mate.
Wait until then and have the real thing.
Sexual sin is a sin against your own body.
Sexual sin is a sin against your own body.

The body's not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord.
Your body's for the Lord!

[Repeat chorus]

Some of you will not marry on this earth
It's not for marriage that you were given birth
Spend your time devote yourself to God.
Know the master, nothing could be better.

Think about it man,
Put your body in subjection.
Take all things captive to the obedience of Christ!

[Repeat chorus]

It's a ripoff!
Set your mind on other things!
Act like Jesus is with you all the time --
Because he is!
He sees everything you do!
So walk humbly before him and with him
Over sin and over temptation in obedience!

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

There was also this in the New York Times a couple weeks ago about the Christian New Wave:

"We love Jesus, how about you," chanted a group in one corner, inciting a competitive echo from across the room. As the first band plugged in, the audience sang along, repeating choruses of praise from four giant video screens: "You are my drink," they sang. "You are my feast."

I sorta feel like I'm missing out. Then again I sorta don't.

agw, Monday, 3 May 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The only good Christian band is Trouble.

Cacaman Flores, Monday, 3 May 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Is anyone interested in forming a pro-Atheism/ christian de-conversion band? If we can't do that, how about an action squad where we take it to the streets vs. Christian rockers a la 1920s-30s Munich? I've had a serious beef with god ever since he gave me these fucking impacted wisdom teeth.

Truman Capote (Truman Capote), Monday, 3 May 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

start rolling out barrels of kneejerk anti-christian comments, no matter that Jesus has had his finger on the pulse of pop from the beginning . . .

jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 3 May 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.catholic.org.nz/cathcom/press/nzc/Jesus%20Laughing.JPEG

Butter Leather, Monday, 3 May 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"By staying at least a little behind the times, P.O.D. and other Christian bands, like Amish farmers, were able to buy up neglected musical acreage, cultivate it using traditional methods and, ultimately, make it pay."

Amish farmers?!?!?! A little behind the times?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

http://espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/5484.jpg

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Jesus had the best list on the Your Own Fucking Ten thread (next to mark p.) (xp x 3)

Aaron A., Monday, 3 May 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

That pic looks creepily like Almost Famous guy.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm no knee-jerk anti-christian -- my quarrel with God is longstanding. Mostly I'm mad at him for not existing. And my only problem with Jesus is that he seems to be the homeboy of so many Urban Outfitters shopping-at doofuses.

Truman Capote (Truman Capote), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

The Amish seem okay though. I wish they made records actually.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

that Sabbath album rules.

uh (eetface), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The Amish made a Sabbath album?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

You all want to see the biggest laughs on the internet I ever found?

http://thejet.crosswinds.net/gg/godis.html

but the best one, is this:

http://www.taitlifto.net/Poems/drama-commercials.htm

I couldn't stop laughing when I read that one. I felt sorry for who decided to actually share that with the Net.

uh (eetface), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Are these supposed to be funny?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The artists didn't intend them to be, but I found them funny in just how sheerly horrible they were.

uh (eetface), Monday, 3 May 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"Christian heavy rock? Christ!"
-- Robyn Hitchcock

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Lust Control's 'The Big M', which Colin kindly c+p'd the lyrics to up there, is a genuine punk rock classic. On this basis I bought a whole album by them, which was a mistake

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Just you wait until Christian Death Metal catches on.

Pholm, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Canadian Christian glam metal was funnier.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Easy to forget, I suppose, that many if not most folks simply fall in love with the music that's being played FOR them, where they can hear it. Kirn's point is not so much about music or even Christianity but about location -- Xtian rock bands are the new missionaries, serving those lost in the unexplored depths of America where major (and even minor) tours rarely, if ever, touch down. If there's only three rock shows in town every year, it's hard to overestimate how terrific those bands will seem to the starved audience, regardless of religion.

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Xtian rock bands are the new missionaries, serving those lost in the unexplored depths of America where major (and even minor) tours rarely, if ever, touch down.

Lost in the unexplored depths of America... Christian rockers are spelunkers, yeah! My experience as growin' up in "an unexplored [abyssal trench] of America," was that no one had any trouble driving one, two, three or even four hours for a rock concert, or a football or baseball game.

Harry Klam, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

This is one thing that people in smaller states/cities do not understand; people in spread-out areas are used to driving long distances, ergo two hours really isn't a limiting factor when it comes to going to something that you really want to attend.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, I grew up in Montana, spread out as they come, and I still don't buy it. Sure, you'll drive hours to see shows, but it doesn't add that much to the concert schedule. Groups that play the local civic centers still get disproportionate acclaim. Hey, if nothing else, from the kids too young to drive but whose folks don't mind letting them go see Xtian acts. The point remains: the Jesus-rock missionaries are reaching an underserved audience. Not that much different from the audience that keeps Foghat and sucklike alive and in (downsized) limos.

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I've driven two hours out to concerts on many occasions.

uh (eetface), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

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Butter Leather, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm told that Blondie wishes the Pope's dick were bigger.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

yay amish armada!!!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I had a Christian death metal compilation once. It royally sucked, mostly of unsigned and up and coming bands.

Some of the band names:

Corpse
Faithbomb
Frank's Enemy
Slamcat
Ultimatum
Crown of Thorns

uh (eetface), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Faithbomb!!! What a name.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

chek out their br00tal lyrix:

Offended by the very mention
of Jesus' name
The thought of God scares you,
you move on just the same
Not bending even slightly
from what you do
Your point the finger at us,
but there's four pointing back at you

Rolling down your road
moving like the wind
Stomping on your people
Shock value is your friend
The down slide is not
Intentional, oh no
But just the same
Downward you go

I have faith in God
It's what I do
Call on His name
You will discover too
Traveling the down road
Oblivious to the sin
Fight your way out
On your knees repent

Choking dust on the down road
Inviting lust on the down road
Who will you trust on the down road
Your faith is lost on the down road

uh (eetface), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"Rolling down your road
moving like the wind
Stomping on your people
Shock value is your friend
The down slide is not
Intentional, oh no
But just the same
Downward you go"

On re-reading this this could almost be describing the way I felt after eating old seafood the other day and had to sweat it out on the crapper

uh (eetface), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The point remains: the Jesus-rock missionaries are reaching an underserved audience.

Sort of like Panzerfaust Records bands.

Anyway, Christian rock revival stories, like the one in the New York Times, are as repetive and regular as the hacks writing them. Pick any year and you'll find a bunch in Lex-Nex, all the same: Christian rock is waxing while something else is waning, seasoned with deadening references to an imagined wholesomeness, the salt-o-the-earth people of the heartland or, perhaps, the Amish country, or the turning to hope and God in a time of travail or filth in the mass media.

Like this from 2001, or anything before going all the way back to the Eighties when I first recall getting press releases for it. Sales were always going up, up, up.

Jesus, rock and the Underground

Cliche #1:

"...Christian-music CDs and cassettes sold in the United States increased 8 percent from the previous year’s figures. Perhaps this is an important indicator of a sea change in musical tastes, a turn toward something overtly moral in the face of a post-9/11 world..."

Or an indication of cooked books, optimistic reading of statistics,
complete rubbish or the usual editorial try at stuffing some seemingly important claim into a story.

Cliche #2:

"So, it’s no great surprise that a suburban church in Roseville has converted its youth-ministry room into a rock club. The good news is that the Underground (inside the Valley Springs Presbyterian Church at 2401 Olympus Drive) is perhaps the highest-quality all-ages suburban club I have seen..."

Yes, it's always quite a wonder. The Catholic high schools in the 70's always turned over their facilities to teen functions, complete with hard rock bands. Some even made records but they weren't "Christian bands" per se and -- hah-hah -- they were perhaps the highest quality all ages suburban clubs I have ever seen.

Cliche #3: local band, a crappy example of anything, is given as example of the new breed:

"...Josh Reeves, who spoke briefly between songs about his religious beliefs, inviting audience members to speak to him or any of the band members about Jesus Christ. Following the brief speech, the band launched into a hardcore number that featured Reeves’ vocal technique, a wordless, repeated single syllable screamed at throat-tearing volumes: “Waaaah! Waah waaah! Waaah!”

Can you feel the sea changing?


Harry Klam, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

jesus christ is sum make believe prissy

CAss (CAss), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Kirn did an unusually good job of saying periodic swells of Christian-music sales are a regular part of the American cultural landscape. And that he was careful to avoid the standard grandiose claims about Christian rock (or Christian whatever) being the Next Big Thing. His own family went through a faith phase -- phase, I say. Once you stop obsessing over the meaning of "vibrant" (probably not the optimum word choice, indeed), it's a careful, modest article.

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

"Rolling down your road
moving like the wind
Stomping on your people
Shock value is your friend
The down slide is not
Intentional, oh no
But just the same
Downward you go"

On re-reading this this could almost be describing the way I felt after eating old seafood the other day and had to sweat it out on the crapper

this made me LOL so hard

stephen, Saturday, 14 June 2008 07:10 (seventeen years ago)

I remember once I was drunk as hell on vodka on a train, about 1992. Some stupid girl tried to feed me Bible bullshit, played me a Christian rock cassette.

I escaped by playing the Disco Inferno album "In Debt" over and over and over. And Comsat Angels' "Sleep No More", too.

Bimble, Saturday, 14 June 2008 08:43 (seventeen years ago)


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