So the studio version of the new Cure song leaked, and you can download it here.

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Though it's probably best if you just ignore the fact it exists, because good god is it shitty. The vocal take is no better than the Leno performance, the drum sound is horrible, and song itself is possibly worse than Mint Car.

http://www.realeyes-realize.org/speakingwalls/TheEndoftheWorld(kroq).mp3

As Ott said: oooooooooo weeeeeeeeee oooooooooooo.

― Sansai, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Desert kisses in the sand! Except it doesn't sound like *that* 'oooeeeooo' any more :(

Anyway, I must suggest that you are all kinds of wrong because this song is fairly great.

― Muppet Boy, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

*listens* Man, sounds great to me! It's a summery enough Cure single but it isn't "Mint Car" by any stretch of the imagination. The verses are the most New Order-like they've sounded since "Inbetween Days," I think, then there's that synth break part again which I really like, understated soft-loud-soft dynamics. And Ross Robinson didn't turn 'em into Korn or anything. Rah!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't fathom this being worse than "Mint Car". The only Cure song worse than "Mint Car" is "Return".

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Guitars in verse *very* New Order. This isn't so bad...

― BlastsOfStatic (BlastsofStatic), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

already gone! :(

― Sean M (Sean M), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The 10 worst Cure songs:

"Return"
"Mint Car"
"Push"
"So What"
"Sugar Girl"
"Icing Sugar"
"The Caterpillar (Flicker Mix)"
"Closedown"
"A Letter To Elise"
"Strange Attraction"

(And when I'm in the right mood, I don't mind listening to "A Letter To Elise" or "Strange Attraction".)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(Still waiting for someone to yell at me re: "So What", "Push" and "Closedown"...)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I already have, so ner.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

It's still there, Sean M, just copy and paste the full URL.

Or poke on this dapper little fellow ó.ò

This song sure sounds like The Cure.
And I still don't like The Cure, i guess. The drum sound is very funny though! Cure goes RUMMMMMMMBLE! Add the scifi synths and this is a funny thing indeed!

― Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

This drum sound thing is confusing me, in that I don't get what's much different about it from past efforts by drummer Jason.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, Ned.

And, Dan, "Closedown" is pretty weak and has a poorly organized structure, but it's not nearly as bad as a lot of the synth-pop-era b-sides... "New Day", "Throw Your Foot" etc.

― Sansai, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we have spotted the problem here, Sansai. (In that those synth-pop B-sides are fantastic! "Throw Your Foot" is amazing!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"This drum sound thing is confusing me, in that I don't get what's much different about it from past efforts by drummer Jason."

It's not Jason's problem, it's Ross. The tone is obnoxiously muddy-sounding and it's been compressed to hell, theoretically by him.

― Sansai, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"New Day" is easily one of the best songs ever written.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

The tone is obnoxiously muddy-sounding and it's been compressed to hell, theoretically by him.

...if you insist, I guess.

And yes, "New Day" equals greatness. Next you'll be saying "A Man Inside My Mouth" isn't good! ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatevs, guys. I'm listening to "See The Children" right now, and it's about 20x better in the writing and performance department than this floundering self-pastiche - and he was my age! Depressing.

― Sansai, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I still think the moog-y part is unnecessary, but this makes me like the song more than I did last Friday.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't heard the song whatsoever, but I've devised a mathematical formula to tell me which songs are good and which ones suck based on the title. It's a complex formula, you wouldn't understand it, but the numbers spit out suggest this song not only sucks, but it EQUALS DOKKEN in lameness.

― uh (eetface), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

"See The Children" is better than "End Of The World". This does not mean that I can't like "End Of The World", too.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually it does. Re-read page 15 of the Cure Fan rulebook.

One more infraction, and your badge will be revoked.

― uh (eetface), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

If he was going by the fan book, he'd have to like every Cure song equally.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Ten best Cure songs:

"New Day"
"Siamese Twins"
"This Twilight Garden"
"A Few Hours After This"
"Like Cockatoos"
"The Same Deep Water As You"
"Faith"
"At Night"
"Home"
"The Kiss"

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

That's it, Johnny. Now you've done it.

You've challenged my knowledge of the rulebook.

Ok, then, smartypants, what does Rule 5.7, on page 16 say about Cure fan's required wardrobe? I BET YOU DON'T KNOW!

― uh (eetface), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

uh,

i used to fuck guys like you in prison.

cheers,
don

― Don Dokken (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

The 1984 first edition or the revised 1992 edition?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Of prison?

Shoot the fucking producer. There's a decent song in there somewhere . . .

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

(My take on "EotW" hasn't changed; nice song, but nothing particularly special. I'm neither lavishing praise nor condemning with prejudice but I like it more than I dislike it.)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

1984 mandates the wearing of high top Reeboks with the pant cuff tucked into the mouth of the shoe when available. Othewise, black Chuck Taylors are also acceptable.

1992 replaces the high top Reebok option with low-top Vans, naturally in black.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, I'm impressed.

Well, then, if you could, recite the "Robert Smith Clause" to us.

― uh (eetface), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"Robert Smith, at any time, may announce the band's break up and, also at any time, may release a new album without offering any explanation for the band's reformation."

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

why did you post the Cure link on the FMBB, Paul? Are you the designated link-giver? Are you overly proud of your linking abilities? Or something like dat.

― Baron Von MuseIix (Joseph Larkin), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know...maybe because some people there might want to hear the song? Eat a dick.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

PO-LICE, EAT A DICK, STRAIGHT UP!

― uh (eetface), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

jerk.

― Baron Von MuseIix (Joseph Larkin), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

NOTE: Baron Von MuseIix is an irritating troll who has at various times impersonated gygax!, hstencil and Darn1elle. Ignore him, plz.

― MODERATER (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, he imitated Jonny Fever today in a post that is about to get deleted. One would think he'd take the hint and go away.

― MODERATOR (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh Dan, so naive. He never goes away.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha speaking as a Usenet refugee, I don't see that as naivety as much as a way of saying "FUCK OFF YOU USELESS WASTE OF SPACE" without actually cursing.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the Baron of cereal.

― uh (eetface), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd recommend someone in the NYC area make a visit to the offices of People Magazine, look for the greasy guy going back and forth between ILM, the FMBB, and sending me lame emails.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe it's John Titor

― uh (eetface), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually the way the song changes a bit to work the title verse reminds me of "Signal to Noise." Well, anyway, back to listening to Magnog.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Yah. I like this! There's some life in the old body yet!

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Now I'm returning to my initial assesment; the song is just ok. It actually reminds me of "Signal to Noise".

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

this is alright. it sounds like shit though, wish there was a better copy around.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's a link to "Lost", played last week-end:
http://www.hosenhai.de/music/1.mp3

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

It actually reminds me of "Signal to Noise".

I'm not alone!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

"Lost" is fantastic!

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, 15 seconds in and I REALLY like "Lost".

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the best thing I've heard by them in a LONG time!

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It starts off good but when he hits the "I can't find myself" part it gets fantastically great. :-) 2 for 2 now!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

And two more from that show:
-"Before 3" http://perso.club-internet.fr/bporret./Happiest%20day.mp3
-"The Promise" http://www.watchingmefall.net/3.mp3

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"Happiest Day" (aka Before 3) = pretty good!

"The Promise" = already starting off fantastically. 10 minutes to go!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Promise" is fucking fantastic. Wow.

Okay, so everything so far is better than "End Of The World". YAY!

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Promise" is fucking fantastic. Wow.

Yeah, I was about to say. Can't wait for the studio version of this. Dan's quite right, the worst song of the bunch is "End of the World," and that's still pretty darn good! A WINNER IS US (and Teeny).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"End of the World" reminds me of "Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me"...

― willem (willem), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Hooray! Everyone's a winner!

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

"End of the World" reminds me of "Hold Me Thrill Me Kiss Me Kill Me"...

Except I want to listen to it again.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

heh. true.

― willem (willem), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"Mint Car" is dandy. Wtf. I'll never understand.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not at all surprised that someone who can find good in Good Charlotte would also be able to find good in "Mint Car".

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the part in "Mint Car" where Bob sings something like: 'Yeah, suki and jaccuzi and I'm cool!'

And the frankly rather uncomfortable innuendo of the 'it feels so big, it almost hurts!' line.

These new tracks really are quite marvellous, aren't they? "The Promise" is love. Yum!

― Muppet Boy, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not at all surprised that someone who can find good in Good Charlotte would also be able to find good in "Mint Car".

I think we've just identified the exact Alex in NYC/Dan/me crossover point.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Promise" sounds all right, but it gets points deducted for that ghastly "Cut"/"Bloodflowers" guitar effect.

― Sansai, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

What, you mean feedback?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

That darned feedback! Next thing you know there'll be vocal wails from Robert!

(I love you, Sansai, but I think you and DanandI love the Cure for what appear to be completely opposed reasons!)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

What, you mean feedback?

-- VengaDan Perry (djperr...), May 5th, 2004.

No, I mean what appears to be some inhumane hybrid of flange and wah-wah. You ought to know what I'm talking about, they just swept the pedal back and forth in lieu of a riff for "Cut".

― Sansai, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

That was great! Yay noise!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

What, like they did on "Hey You!!!" and "Give Me It" and "The Snakepit" and "The Kiss" and "Icing Sugar" and "Shiver And Shake" and etc etc etc?

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

(I love you, Sansai, but I think you and DanandI love the Cure for what appear to be completely opposed reasons!)

Hey now, we all dislike "Mint Car".

There's really no accounting for taste blahblah cliche etc, so this discussion isn't going to get anywhere. But so far, the best-written song Smith has been involved with in the past four years is "All Of This". And Lost Wishes and the Bloodflowers demos - the bottom of the barrel, at least as far as the band was apparently concerned at the time - had better melodies than any of these three songs. Those just aren't good signs.

― Sansai, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the studio version of "End of the World" a lot more than the Leno performance. I hope Robert's vocals sound as good on the rest of the album (I haven't really liked the vocal sound on the last couple of records) - still not sold on the guitar sound, though.

― Kent Burt (lingereffect), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"All Of This" or "More Than This"?

I think "The Promise" is better than "More Than This". I also think that "The Loudest Sound" and "Out Of This World" are better than "The Promise".

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"All Of This". Bloodflowers was released more than four years ago by now: Feb 15, 2000. (Though if you're going to count it, yes, "The Loudest Sound", "There Is No If", "Spilt Milk" and "Out Of This World" kick the shit out of anything else they've done in a decade.)

― Sansai, Thursday, 6 May 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG I DON'T KNOW "All Of This" OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 May 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh... I think I broke his brain.

Come on, just ignore that chorus and it's a fine song, way more subtle and replayable than the Greatest Hits sessions, Junior Jack, Tweaker, etc. And it's by Blink-182, for chrissake. That's just how far he's fallen. (Man, Smith has terrible taste in collaborators.)

― Sansai, Friday, 7 May 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

And it's by Blink-182, for chrissake.

I think you forgot to mention this earlier, see. (As it was, I didn't know what you were talking about initially...but having heard the song (and forgotten the title), "Signal to Noise" alone trounces it, in both versions, once again there is no bridging this gap etc. etc.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 May 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Aw, let's agree to disagree guys.

By the way, "More Than This" is good times, but is it just me or is that chord progression really, really similar to "Hotel California"?

― Sansai, Friday, 7 May 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The Earl Slick collab is fantastic. I still haven't heard the Blink 182 song.

"More Than This" is vaguely similar to "Hotel California" in an "it starts on the same chord and the progression generally rises" way.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 May 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel awful that I've missed this thread for so long that I have to begin posting all the way down here. I find it pleasantly amusing that there are people out there still fanatical about bands like The Cure and The Fall. Frankly, I stopped caring many years ago. I think I began to lose interest in The Cure around the time of "Why Can't I Be You?" and then some other horrible about being "Hot" or something ("Hot Hot Hot"?) Also I can't listen to this new Cure because the link says the bandwith limit has been reached, to which I say to the computer "oh go f*** yourself".

Venga Dan, you must mend your evil ways. Criticizing any track on Disintegration is a mistake.

― bimble (bimble), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, you stopped listening before Disintegration but won't hear it criticised?

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 7 May 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, having read more of this thread now, I admit I bought Bloodflowers when it came out, okay? And I also promptly gave it to a friend, free of charge, just wanted to get rid of it. I'm not sure I'm ready to be converted back into a Cure fan. I wish someone would help me out of this labyrinth. Am I totally posting to the wrong thread here and should leave? Or is there really a reason I should give the "new Cure" a listen? I'm far, far too confused. Currently I'm listening to one of these live song links-"Lost"-it's not so bad, actually but...me??!! A Cure fan in 2004??!
I mean, is Robert Smith still making music? Am I in high school? No, definitely not.

Sigh. I'm confused. Please give me some time to get to grips with this idea of listening to the Cure in 2004. Thanks.

xpost

― bimble (bimble), Friday, 7 May 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

No, look, that's not true. I really really really did stop listening after Bloodflowers. But I did give a listen to whatever that album was that had Mint Car on it and I thought it would end there but I did buy Bloodflowers.

― bimble (bimble), Friday, 7 May 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

MINT CAR ROX U R ALL GOTHICK 4 LIFE BITCH

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 7 May 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

You seem confused Bimble...

"More than This" represents the corniest side of the band. Shame that it wasn't a Roxy Music cover...
So the Blink 182 tracks is worth checking out? "All of This", you say?

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Friday, 7 May 2004 06:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Calling "Hot Hot Hot!!!" horrible makes the Baby Jesus cry.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 May 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

"So the Blink 182 tracks is worth checking out? "All of This", you say?"

It's nothing special, but other than the chorus (when the other guy's vocals come in) it doesn't sound a thing like Blink-182 and you can more or less pretend it's a Cure song, and an alright one at that. I mentioned it mostly just as a contrast to show how much Smith's own songwriting as of late has gotten mired in self-pastiche and banality.

After listening to "The End Of The World" a bit more in the past couple days, I've concluded it's not horrible, and that rising bit behind "couldn't love you more" is klassic Cure, but the production and vocals really mar it. Doing this album live was a huge mistake.

My god, bimble has some issues to work through.

― Sansai, Friday, 7 May 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

My god, bimble has some issues to work through.

This almost made me shoot coffee out of my nose.

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 May 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I would have liked to have seen that, Dan.

― bimble (bimble), Friday, 7 May 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I admit I feel a little bad for inadvertently making the Baby Jesus cry.

― bimble (bimble), Friday, 7 May 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok, little doggies, u can find the official download of the single here: http://fmqb.com/goout.asp?u=http://www.fmqbproductions.com/epks/2004/thecuredl/indexdl.html

― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Friday, 7 May 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm surprised this thread has dropped like a stone. The single isn't bad. Not earth shattering, but not bad. I've come to terms with the idea of listening to The Cure in 2004, but I'm still not truly convinced it's worth my while. I guess we'll see.

― bimble (bimble), Saturday, 8 May 2004 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

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