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This is so trivial, but really what is the point of those cardboard outer sleeves you're starting to get on CD - the little slipcase things except with no ends. They're infuriating, completely needless packaging.

Do CDs in the US still come in those mad long boxes?

The question arises because I bought the brilliant Playgroup album yesterday and it had one. By all means talk about Playgroup instead.

Tom, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

While we're discussing trivial.....jewel case or digipack?

david, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

jewel cases beat digi-pack shit everytime.

playgroup. tell me about this Tom please

gareth, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

jewel cases are amazingly dud for such a mass-produced product - they break easily, especially the bits which grip the CD centre hole, the sleeve notes always get damaged/creased by those little plastic guides on the inside cover, etc etc. the fact that a lot of cardboard sleeves manage to be even worse and even more annoying is unbelievable.

i think those cardboard outer-sleeves are merely to make the CD look more tempting in the shop - is just better packaging, and makes the product look more expensive and less plasticky

m jemmeson, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

CD Packaging - just don't get me started, alright? At least jewel cases stack, up to a point. I never know what to do with the cardboard jobs.

I think those big boxes are no more Tom. (I also seem to recall that, in the early days of CD, US imports were wrapped in these fantastic, giant plastic contraptions in the shops. I was always disappointed to be presented with just a normal jewel case whenever I bought one.)

Yeah, let's talk Playgroup instead. I'm assuming this is not the Playgroup that did "Epic Sound Battles" 1 & 2 way back when?

Jeff, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Did not Joan Jett lead a protest to ditch the big cases? Jewel boxes ass. My dad = parkinsonian who wuvs music = cannot BEGIN to open em w/o breaking em, and if you are trying to carrying more than abt FIVE the coefficient of friction = zero or less and they fly all over the room. I heart LPs I'm afraid.

mark s, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The long boxes are long gone. I remember Spinal Tap's BREAK LIKE THE WIND came in an EXTRA long box, har har har.

The little sleeves (usually containing re-releases like the XTC or Black Sabbath catalogs of late) are indeed a pointless excercise.

Jewel Boxes are a hassle (and I'm constantly dropping and breaking off the ends that keep the top part fastened to the back), but Digipaks take more of a beating.

alex in nyc, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Quiz: who knows what a "unipak" is?

Sean, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Isn't that the slim little number on which you press a corner, and the disc pops out? Saw that one a month or two ago on a Japanese release (can't remember which exactly). Classy....

Alacrán, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

or why they bother to call the ones with the cardboard sleeve Limited Edition, and mark them up a pound or two from identical CDs.

Then again, i have a friend that collects the little stickers on the shrinkwrap packaging proclaiming which songs are the hits and critical blurbs, because he insists that they are worth something.

badger, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Isn't that the slim little number on which you press a corner, and the disc pops out? Saw that one a month or two ago on a Japanese release (can't remember which exactly)."

Isn't that the VarioPak? I have a cyclo. release like that - very nice. Is there a proper name for the translucent clamshells the "20' to 2000" raster-noton series came in? They looked especially great, as the outer two inches of each disc was transparent.

Other fine purveyors of fancy CD packaging: Winter & Winter, Chain Reaction, Mego.

Not a fan of the jewel-case, but digipaks do tend to scuff up something rotten once they've been jostled by removal/replacement of shelf-neighbours a few times. Why didn't the 'unbreakable' disc clamp catch on? Even new major-label releases seem to feature the crap eight-segment holder.

Favourite thing of all: 3" CD in plain cardboard sleeve.

Michael Jones, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The boxes are good, because they don't crack, and don't fuck up the nice booklet you get. Digipacks = good for singles but way too inconvenient for albums. I love booklets.

Bill, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Did anyone here ever come across some of those digipack casings where the plastic would begin bio-degrading or some such and leaving this crystalline "mould" all over the cds inside? Luckily it washed off with some soapy water, but all affected cds had to be transferred to new jewel cases.

I don't particularly care for the cardboard sleeves that fold open for the disc to slip in the same way vinyl used to (i.e. Tragically Hip's Trouble at the Henhouse) Arghh...I find it's next to impossible not to get scratches on them.

Kim, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mmm, 3" CDs are, for some reason, very lovely...

My favourite has to be the plain old fashioned LP sleeve, but least favourite definitely = Gatefold sleeve with only one record! It's all fine and dandy when it's a double album, but then you get those where it looks like there should be two, but there's only one, and then you get disappointed, and then you get disgusted with yourself for being greedy, as the music is still fantastic and why can't you just be grateful for once, bitch?

emil.y, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

least favourite definitely = Gatefold sleeve with only one record

I love this configuration! btw, the answer to my quiz (Unipak)is it was an LP gatefold sleeve that was like an envelope; the front half was half the thickness of the back, and the record slipped in from the inside. I can't think of an example right now, tho...

Sean, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ok, now I can: T. Rex's "Tanx" was a Unipak.

Sean, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the single LP, gatefold cover as well. Last year I bought tons of vinyl reissues like that (Curtis Mayfield, Pere Ubu, Modern Lovers) that I actually declared it my favourite way to buy music (I feel so Oliver Kneale admitting that).

Shellac's At Action Park and the Stone's Exile on Main St were uni-pak style LPs as well.

Vic Funk, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

argh, what i hate are double albums from the 70s designed for auto-change turntables. e.g. my Songs In The Key of Life has sides 1 and 4 on one LP, and 2 and 3 on the other. That's not so bad, but i just got a triple, (Carla Bley - the Escalator over the Hill) which has 1 and 6, 2 and 5, and 3 and 4...

those unipak things are annoying i think. OMD - Dazzle Ships is another

m jemmeson, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

grrrrrr....i hate digipak,the little teeth get busted and you are left with a case with no function. at least with jewel cases,you can buy replaceable parts. someone mentioned chain reaction....don't even wanna talk about what a sh#tty case that metal tin is. i always seem to find out the hard way about things like cracked discs from leaving them in the tin too long. worm interface is a label that put cds out in a record sleeve-like container. the glue is usually poor in these designs as well.

william harris, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I fucking hate slipcases for CDs; the CDs always get surface scratches, no matter how careful you are with them. Give me my holding teeth, dammit! I want my CD elevated safely above the harmful surface below!

That said, I do think the packaging of certain Chain Reaction releases in a solid metal case is pretty damned cool. Please note, however, that it's a metal box WITH A HOLDING RING--not very punk rock, but much appreciated.

Yeah, Tom, those outer covers are dumb as shit; they're always the exact same as the front and back CD art, and they're just one more annoying thing to have to do when you play the CD. One instance of the outer cover that's great, though, is 'Consumed' by Plastikman-- it's fully integrated into the artwork, with a little window slit cut in it and everything.

Jeez, can you all tell I've been on a minimal techno kick lately?

Clarke B., Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

those outer covers are dumb as shit; they're always the exact same as the front and back CD art

This is not true of either of the two CDs with such covers that I possess. Not that there's anything attractive about said covers, mind.

Still waiting for more on Playgroup mark 2.

Jeff, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Clarke - that window is an fairly exact replica of the Prophesy touch pad he used for the album.
I'd rather CDs came in a fixed outer case, like MDs, as they were orginally designed - so you can eat your cornflakes off them, of course.

K-reg, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Dazzle ships" by OMD - CLASSIC sleeve. I think the first of those Uni-pak vinyl sleeves was "Beatles for Sale" in the UK - can anyone confirm an earlier one?

Rob M, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i've got an Edmundo Ros album from about '61 with a Unipak sleeve...

m jemmeson, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

thinking about it, they probably pre-date gatefold sleeves. they are similar to some albums of 78s (where the term 'album' for a 45 minute release comes from, trivia fans).

m jemmeson, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not sure I've seen any Unipaks. Or have I? How would you describe the packaging for Neil Young's "Decade"? It's sort of a gatefold, but there's a section within that slides out and holds the third disc. Bloody annoying when you try and put it all back together again, anyway.

Jeff, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I always think of Decade as a gatefold double LP, with a single gatefold cover addition.

The worst kind is this Marvin Gaye best of triple LP I have, where it has three sections, with two records coming out the conventional way, and one in the middle with slits on either end (but not the top) to get the middle one out. It's a pain to close up the jacket as well, cuz the records keep falling into the slits.

Vic Funk, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
Truly there are few things more useless than a cardboard slipcase for a CD jewel box. I wish I had the balls to just throw them all away - they just make opening the CD take that much longer.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 14 April 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

i fucking hate digi-packs.
i have held back from buying several new albums because the cd comes in a grisly digi-pack. weirdly in 2008 the love for this format seems to be on the increase.
so far this year, Miss Kittin/Luke Solomon/Hot Chip have all lost out on my hard earned.
I'm waiting for the jewel case standard versions.

mark e, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 16:47 (seventeen years ago)

What's up with new type of plastic case with the rounded corners and the holes? The design of the case - with the holes and all - makes it looks ugly, and the booklet is almost impossible to get out without damaging it. Compared to this new one, getting the booklet out of and ordinary plastic case is a piece of cake. What's the point of such a design?

Tuomas, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 17:22 (seventeen years ago)

Tuomas, I've only seen that on the recent Zeppelin remaster, I'm hoping the trend doesn't continue because they are certainly ugly.

I don't get the hate for digi-packs, I love 'em. They are a little skinnier, thus taking up less precious shelf space, and often much cleaner. Plus, as long as you treat 'em halfway decent, they stay a lot cleaner than the inevitable cracks and scratches on the jewel cases.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 17:29 (seventeen years ago)

yea, i love digipacks, aesthically at least. functionally they do get roughed up a bit after a while, but if they're mostly sitting on a shelf, they're fine. probably a lot more durable than jewel cases. i like how they seem to be more common now.

Truly there are few things more useless than a cardboard slipcase for a CD jewel box. I wish I had the balls to just throw them all away - they just make opening the CD take that much longer.

absolutely. but i also have trouble throwing them away....

all those brian eno cd remasters from a couple years ago have this clear plastic slipcase to go around the digipack. they're kind of a pain in the ass, but i guess they help protect the digipack.

Mark Clemente, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 18:11 (seventeen years ago)

digipaks were better when quality adhesives were actually used...the ones you get nowadays, the plastic CD holder is usually affixed to the cardboard shell with two or three tiny dabs of glue that are dried up and useless by the time you open the thing for the first time...

apparently, we are in the twilight of the CD age, so why would a record company bother trying to produce decent packaging for them?

henry s, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 18:16 (seventeen years ago)

Really? I don't think I've ever had the plastic CD tray come unattached from the packaging.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 18:17 (seventeen years ago)

That's definitely happened to me a few times.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 18:23 (seventeen years ago)

Now I'll go home and find, like, seven of them falling apart.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 18:24 (seventeen years ago)

box sets are notorious for this...

henry s, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 18:27 (seventeen years ago)

Those slipcases are called "O-Cards" if anyone cares. The inserts in cassettes were called "J-Cards" so now you know. It's a shape thing.

ellaguru, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 18:37 (seventeen years ago)

I don't think I've ever had the plastic CD tray come unattached from the packaging

lucky you.
this is very common place within my collection.
most often with old cd singles when they came in digi-packs.
could be due to the age of them, and the glue has solidified beyond stickiness.
ta for reminding me about another reason why i hate them.
conversely, i love the rounded edge jewel cases, they look great, and feel a lot more robust. (i'm with you re the booklet however - but there is a knack to it !)
these are best for when there is an extra disc/dvd as the depth allows 2 cds to be inserted as opposed to those nasty flimsy old double cd packagings (ie 2 cds in a singel jewel case).

mark e, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 21:11 (seventeen years ago)

the O-Cards are actually pretty useful with those Deluxe Editions, which would otherwise fall all over the place...

and don't get me started on the whole "2 CD's in one jewel case" thing!...funny aside: the first one of these I ever owned was UFOrb, back when it first came out...I didn't know for a few days that there was a bonus disc (in this case, the full 40-minute "Blue Room") tucked inside...what a nice surprise!

henry s, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 21:16 (seventeen years ago)

"The long boxes are long gone. I remember Spinal Tap's BREAK LIKE THE WIND came in an EXTRA long box, har har har."

I thought this sounded a but odd, so I looked it up:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b3/DSCN0152.JPG/800px-DSCN0152.JPG

Apparently so they could be put in the same rack as vinyls.

Bodrick III, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 21:45 (seventeen years ago)

Hmm, Carly Simon.

Billy Dods, Tuesday, 4 March 2008 23:42 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/staff_top_10/top-10-things-i-hate-about-cds.htm

Scik Mouthy, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 07:50 (seventeen years ago)

ah ha .. i knew i had read a good article somewhere nick.
should have guessed.
glad to see we are in 100% agreement re #1.

mark e, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 08:43 (seventeen years ago)

just received some interesting feedback re why Luke Solomons album on Rekids is in digi-pack form.
Kind of also answers why small labels are reviving this dreadful format :
For artist albums the way forward is digipaks for us.
It just makes sense all round.
You would not believe the amount of ‘damaged’ and returned jewel cases from shops.
Fine if you want to sell 10s of thousands – nightmare for a small label. Shrinkwrapped digi gets round all this pain.
"

mark e, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 10:28 (seventeen years ago)

The worst thing about the digipacks is, if the round thing in the middle that holds the cd (what's it called?) breaks, there's no way to replace it anymore.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 10:32 (seventeen years ago)

Also, if you carry your CDs with you a lot like me, the cover pictures on digipacks deteriorate quickly. I recently bought a new Pharoah Sanders CD on digipack, and was full of little white dots after two or three weeks.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 5 March 2008 10:35 (seventeen years ago)


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