marquee moon by Television

Ahh, Marquee Moon. Is there anything it can't do?

Adventure, I love all of it. Now the title track is there, "The Dream's Dream" isn't quite such a 'wanders off and gets lost' ending to the album.

In other words, 'rockism' is what I do every time I get on ILX!

hahah, just kidding! sort of. But yeah, it's way lame. Bimble, your opinion, your reaction to music -the way it impacts your life - is as valid as any of these cockfarming rock critics who post on these boards. Believe dat.

That is very true. Hell critics get free music -- i trust the opinion of someone who has paid over someone who gets things for free!

Track one) Roadrunner
Track two) Up the Bracket

and so on...

scott, what is it you prefer about the ROIR tape? I'm curious because I have it and I find it nearly unlistenable. What am I missing?

Yeah, rockism="It's gotta rock!" and "It might be good, but it still sucks because it doesn't rock!"

Best definition evah???

i've had the felt records for years, and up until recently i couldn't be bothered to be to inquisitive about them as people.

also the idea that authenticity is the gold standard of everything good and meaningful, that something new will almost always be inferior to something time-tested and "classic," that there are two categories, rock and "everything else," and nothing in the second category so much as exists in the rockist consciousness unless it (a) serves as a constant antagonist to all that is good and meaningful in music (b) brushes up against rock in some way that validates it.

this is all pretty reductive but it's a good place to start.

Oh gosh, unlistenable, really? I always thought that tape sounded fine. I really fell in love with those versions when I first heard them. I had the Blow-Up tape and then the cd, but i think i sold the cd so i can't listen to it right now, but i just remember it being so tense and powerful. It kinda made me wish that i had a cd that was nothing but old live versions of those two songs. The studio versions never hit me half as hard.

No, it isn't.

A nice post-script to the evolution of "Marquee Moon" would be the live 13:58 version from the 1982 live disc on The Miller's Tale comp, just because the recording is so good, and an interesting example of Verlaine solo.

I think its the same as on the 12" b-side of "The funniest thing"

Edit: Apparently not, its from 1987, but its still good though.

Oh, "Revolution"is on it!

Riiiiight....

Yeah, that 1982 gig is stellar. I think Tyler has some bootlegs that are equal to it on his site.

This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMOyNTk5WZM

6-4-82 at the Ritz does not quite have the sound quality of the millers tale gig but the intensity is even higher. On that MM, Verlaine takes a striking unaccompanied solo.

Bowery Ballroom 2006 is also a fantastic Verlaine band live recording showing what that year's songs album could do

i wrote the script for this little marquee moon video -- they found a few cool pics i hadn't seen before
http://pitchfork.com/tv/56-liner-notes/1967-explore-televisions-marquee-moon-in-5-minutes/

nice!

That's awesome Tyler!

thanks, jon -- obviously nothing too revelatory for heads, but I think they did a nice job with it...

love this pic of Lloyd -- i assume it was taken some time towards the end of "Satisfaction"

https://68.media.tumblr.com/6c6b74a08980bc2a01ddc7bd953b2af1/tumblr_inline_oocqdmtQEH1qzx4na_1280.jpg

lol

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Did he. . . did he even listen to the album?

not sure anyone who’s seen the elegantly cadaverous band on the cover of the record would want any more ‘flesh tones’ than there are on there already tbh

Seems this LP and Wire’s Pink Flag we’re very heavily discussed as rock classics 20 years or so ago, and maybe not as much these days?

Are any rock classics heavily discussed these days?

The Thing

I was interested in who "N.C." might be, and after looking around a bit, found a site that archives Stereo Review for forty years:

http://www.americanradiohistory.com/HiFI-Stereo-Review.htm

Only recognized one name on the masthead circa 1977 (Steve Simels), but looks like Bangs reviewed records for them for a time. He reviews Bob Marley and Peter Tosh in the September '77 issue, also the Ramones in an earlier issue (the pages are missing on that one).

N.C. = 'Noel Coppage'

also some sweet reviews of rumours and lust for life in that thread

title track is the closest a new york band ever got to Wishbone Ash

Bangs was writing for Stereo Review at least as early as 1974, as he reviewed Quadrophenia.

Good review...They've got a search button in the top right where you can look up Bangs, or specific albums. The other thing I love is all those old Marantz and Pioneer ads. I used to look at those ads as a teenager like someone else might look at Mercedes and Porsche ads.

http://www.magazine-advertisements.com/uploads/2/1/8/4/21844100/marantz-electronics-1-1.jpg

Holy crap, $1285 today is around $7000 (and $298 just over $1600).

See No Evil just came on in Shooters Sports n Shorts bar in Leeds and I'm amazed.

xpost you could get a hell of a nice integrated stereo amp today for $1285!

The Marantz, though, came with the TK421 modification, which they'd do right in the store. You don't get that anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La3U41b0WSU

haha, great clip

That is funny. Where is it from?

Boogie Nights

haha, I'd totally forgotten about that scene, and it's not too far off from the Marantz ad copy (Gyro-Touch tuning! Built-in oscilloscope!)

To be fair, Marantz is a pretty solid investment.

Oh, I agree. I found a cheap used 1030 a few years ago, and it sounded great/worked perfectly for a few years. Tank-like, too (until one of the channels died).

Sorry, Marquee Moon, people love you and you will get your thread back soon...I started looking into where the company was now and came across this ad testifying to those tank-like qualities.

http://www.ca.marantz.com/Assets/Images/1974_Marantz_fire_ad.jpg

https://www.theringer.com/music/2022/4/13/23022787/television-marquee-moon-tom-verlaine-richard-hell

With Lloyd doubling his parts, the effect was noir-cool as opposed to exploitation-flick-thrilling

have we not talked about this here yet?!?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC9CyoMJq94

holy shit

*extremely ny italian accent* dats a lotta marquee moons ova heah

There is a moment when the crowd in Buenos Aires starts singing the riff back at the band that is otherworldly

I mentioned this on bluesky but my favorite solos might the ones from the 80s where it seems like he's trying to take the song apart and then put it back to together but lots of great stuff, also weirdly by the end I felt like it still wasn't long enough

holy smokes!

I did think it was was odd that nobody here jumped all over this when it made the rounds almost a month ago…

I was at the Verlaine Tramps show in 96, TV at the Metro in 2001*, at Irving Plaza 2002 and SummerStage 07; that last one was a few days after Lloyd quit for the final time. Jesus, I feel like a goddamn deadhead! anybody else at any of the shows in the video?

*Lloyd broke a string during the first attempt at MM, took an insanely long time to restring and tune, and Smith and Ficca joined Verlaine in staring daggers at him; the succeeding pass at MM, obv the last song of the set, was truly anticlimactic, those two guys clearly very much sided with T.V.

another cool television thing that popped up earlier this year — a soundboard of the band in 2004: https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/753635829776252928/television-roseland-new-york-city-october-2

i didn't see this before, otherwise i woulda been all over it! so cool!

Spotify has a live Television gig from around the time of the third album, the new tracks sound better than the LP, and the few picks from the first two are also fine.

Good, that there are versions of the otherwise lost tracks that might have made album four, so that's tomorrow's commute sorted!

The Verlaine show at Bowery ballroom after songs and other things was released was so great

Excited about that 2004 board bc I saw them that year and they killed

some messy moments, but it's mostly nice! also some good examples of verlaine being totally cranky onstage.

I was just listening to the London 2004 show a couple of days ago, with all the “newies” on it

Billy Ficca is so damn good. Glad they quickly changed where the second guitar fell rhythmically in the main riff. I do prefer the noodling of the first demo to the album version tho