The Clash debut - UK or US version?

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Which do you prefer? I'd say the US version is stronger overall with songs like "Complete Control," though I concede the UK version flows better.

― Justyn Dillingham, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have the US version, precisely because of all the singles that feature on it. But it's not really "The Clash" is it? I seem to recall there's even some second album era stuff on it, like "I Fought The Law".

― Jeff, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Could somebody explain to me why they find "Garageland" any good at all? Thanx.

― dave q, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Could somebody explain to me why they find the Clash any good at all? Thanx.

― they dress in leather = they are not punXoR, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Atomic Kitten's "Right Now" - pre-Eternal Flame edition or post- Eternal Flame edition?

Also - why have CD copies of the new Pulp album got a "Special Edition" sticker on them? Is there a non-special edition somewhere and what is it missing? (Certainly none of the music...)

― Tom, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Might be the thin CD case which is 'special', Tom.

I love The Clash, dammmit. Often preposterous, sometimes unintentionally funny, sometimes contradictory, but mostly just excellent. Double albums, triple albums, glam (Jones), reggae, rap,Tymon Dogg (!)- I love the way they avoided being mired in punk forever by striking out in about 463 directions simultaneously. I doubt I could convince mark s, though.

To answer the original question : The US Version wins 'cos you get Clash City Rockers, Complete Control, Bankrobber and White Man.. All are better than the three tracks they replace, although the more sophisticated production doesn't make for a comfortable fit.

― Dr.C, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I doubt I could convince mark s, though.

Don't worry, you couldn't convince me either. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Smashing Pumpkins, though. I ask you. (Hee-hee, snicker, guffaw);)

― Dr. C, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ramones = wear leather = not punk? I had both versions and gave [i think] the US version to JM as part of a birthday thing or something. I forget. Taking sides: Mandy Moore's "So Real" pre or post "I Wanna Be With You"?

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Smashing Pumpkins, though. I ask you.

You're conceding that to me? Hey, thanks! ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ramones = american = not punk

― mark s, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The only thing I like on either version is "Protex Blue", so I guess the UK version wins.

― Kris, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Ramones not punk? I know this is some kind of clever in-joke, I guess I don't get it. The Clash (and "The Clash") are ace.

― Sean, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sex Pistols were from UK and did not wear leather. Thefore they too were not punk. Also, they knew too few chords.

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What's this business about wearing leather? The Clash, the Pistols, the Ramones, the Damned, they *ALL* wore leather. Since when was bovine hide a stipulation of Punk? (or is this some revisionist Straight-edge thing?)

― Alex in NYC, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

pistols = no leather evah = punk obv.
(i cannot entirely answer for steve jones's ideological purity in re the Absolute of this claim btw)
clash = damned = ramones = not punk obv. (damned = goth just like killing joke)

punk = x-ray spex, eater, pistols and THAT'S IT!!

― mark s, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You forgot Sham 69.

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And Alternative TV.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no i dint: atv = jazz, sham 69 = emo

― mark s, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, but X-Rays = Glam and eater = prog and sex pistols = garage! Also, you forgot Wire.

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

wire = gabba

― mark s, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is it time to feed the Trolls already? ramones = american = not punk Hmmmmm. The roots of punk...

1967 Velvet Underground = american
1968 MC5 = american
1968 Iggy Pop/The Stooges = american
1971 New York Dolls = american
1974 Television = american
1974 Ramones = american
1976 Dead Boys = american
1976 Talking Heads = americans
1977 Sex Pistols = british

Oh, I forgot...punk started in 1977, didn't it? (Yes, i do know that John Cale was Welsh, but he's just one Welsh guy in a band with 6 other americans.)

― Lord Custos, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Talking Heads = world music.

Television = new age.

Dead Boys = metal.

Velvets = psychadelic.

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

US Clash.
Don't care for "Garageland" terribly much.
No, i wouldn't be able to explain why the Clash are any good even though i like 'em.
Pre-Eternal Flame, because i loathe that cover for some reason
I really want that answer on the Pulp We Love Life Special Edition sticker, as i don't believe it has to do with the slim package, as it's the same size as the rest. I've searched for secret tracks, played it in two different comptuers, and held it up to cereal box color-coded decoders. Nothing yet.

― badger, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Stooges = surf.

MC5 = hard rock.

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

roots of punk = slade

vu = indie; mc5 = grebo; stooges = soul; dolls= glitter; television = dire straits it;s ok to like; ramones = pop; hedz = nu-pop

Dead Boys = math rock

― mark s, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"pistols = no leather evah = punk obv. " - Ridiculous statement

Take a look at this picture:

https://www.greatmodernpictures.com/pistol15.htm

That sure looks like leather to me.

― Alex in NYC, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Velvet Underground, if anything, was a reaction AGAINST psychedelia.

― Alex in NYC, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

On this thread: Mark S. and Sterling = punk. The rest of you = not.

― Tom, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Someone or other (lord custos?) said s.th. or other abt All those US "Punk" bands MC5 (=k-lame) etc.

Cobblers I say. Roots ov UK punk = pub rox0r (esp dr feelgood, & thee stranglers) and peter hammill LP "Nadir's Big Chance" Also Can. Fux0r the Clash. They told us to release complete control - so we did (tiresome joke which never ceases to amuse me) Get "Crossing the red sea w/the adverts" instead. Or "154". Or better still "Machine Gun Etiquette".

xoxox

― Norman Phay, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

alex that picture is from san francisco winterland gardens!! sex pistols in usa = NOT PUNK!!

anyway, norman phay wins, since i rilly HAD forgotten the adverts:

punXoR = 'Gary Gilmore's Eyes' AND NOTHING ELSE!! (and the version of Crossing the Red Sea you own shd be the one w/o Gilmore on it, as orignally released)

― mark s, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Screw that, Mark, otherwise I would have never heard the song. So HA!

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ooh, silly me. I thought we were discussing facts that occured here in this dimension, and not in some warped, Bizarro world of Mark's own creation, where fire is cold and ice is hot and the sun is blue and the sky is green and dogs meow and cats bark, etc. etc.

― Alex in NYC, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

alex's defn of punk = unquestioning respect for convention

honour the fire!! you know you want to but DO YOU DARE!?! billy zane is NOT YOUR LOVER!!

― mark s, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gaye advert = k-rowr, BTW.

― Norman Phay, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Roots of uk punk=Johnny Kidd & the Pirates and the Groundhogs

― Billy Dods, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark's defn of punk = unquestioning disregard for reality.

Billy Zane?

― Alex in nyc, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I so so so much prefer Mark's version.

― Tom, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Who says that Billy Zane is not my lover?

― Ally, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Can I be punk?

― Dr. C, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Question yr. disregard for reality before your disregard of reality questions you!

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

eight months pass...

Real punk = this creep named John I knew in junior high school
Not punk = everybody mentioned in this thread (because not as creepy as this punk named John I knew in junior high school)
punk = the laugh in the Syndicate of Sound's "Little Girl" (because it was real creepy)
punk = John Cassavetes in The Dirty Dozen
Le Tigre = not punk
punk = the creep who shot Keith Carradine in McCabe and Mrs. Miller
the guitar solo in "Deny" = quite beautiful, but not punk

― Frank Kogan, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Real punk = this creep named John I knew in junior high school
Not punk = everybody mentioned in this thread (because not as creepy as this punk named John I knew in junior high school)
John = mentioned in this thread
John = not as creepy as himself
John = not a real punk
everybody in this thread = not as creepy as John = just as creepy as John = EVERYBODY IN THIS THREAD A REAL PUNK (including me)
EVERYBODY IN THIS THREAD A REAL PUNK = John in this thread = John a real punk = John as creepy as John = John creepier than everyone in this thread = John a real punk = no one in this thread a real punk
No one in this thread a real punk = John not a real punk
John = not as creepy as John
Everybody in this thread not as creepy as John
JANE RUSSELL: I hear you killed Ferraro. How does it feel?
ROBERT MITCHUM: He didn't tell me.

― Frank Kogan, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

1967 Velvet Underground = the grateful dead (but they wore black) (and that's great by the way)

''1968 MC5 1968 Iggy Pop/The Stooges'' Both attempted a punk-jazz hybrid and did not suceed, not too much to do w/punk (w/stooges I'm only talking abt Funhouse).

1971 New York Dolls = Glam! 1974 Television = the grateful dead returns!!! (a good thing) 1974 Ramones = shitty pub rock 1976 Dead Boys = don't know abt them. 1976 Talking Heads = arty shit that only worked when eno came in. 1977 Sex Pistols = british, and the only punk thing, but still not that amazing.

― Julio Desouza, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

frank kogan= P-funk!

― Julio Desouza, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

>Ooh, silly me. I thought we were discussing facts that occured here >in this dimension, and not in some warped, Bizarro world of Mark's >own creation, where fire is cold and ice is hot and the sun is blue >and the sky is green and dogs meow and cats bark, etc. etc.

Velvet Underground (1967): Fire is cold, and so is the needle that just went into my warm veins. MC5 (1968): Ice is hot, and fuck Hudson's. Iggy Pop/Stooges (1968): I wanna be your dog. Meow. New York Dolls (1971): The sky is green, and it goes really well with my new pink lipstick. Television (1974): "Oh no/Can't pull a spark/Never the cat without the bark." I'm too lazy to do any more of these tonight.

― Christine "Green Leafy" Indigo, Sunday, 14 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Sex Pistols=*nSync

X Ray Spex=Britney Spears

Eater=Hanson

Clash=Billy Ocean

Buzzcocks=Blink 182

The Damned=Slipknot

The Fall=Michael Jackson

― Jack Cole, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

it always amuses me when people compare Television to the Grateful Dead when everyone knows Tom Verlaine could never consume as much at the all- you-can-eat buffet as Jerry Garcia.

― Jack Cole, Monday, 15 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

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