I can't believe I left it so long. This album is so beautiful - her version of 'I'll Keep It With Mine' is one of the loveliest things I've ever heard. (I was going to say it made me cry, in a good way, but that's far too twee for these parts, I think..)
I don't have anything more perceptive than that to offer at the moment. I'm hoping someone else will offer the insight. Perhaps its a mistake to start a thread when you don't have much to say except 'this is really good, innit'... Then again, perhaps YOU will say something so marvellous it will make this thread worthwhile.
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 09:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― holojames (holojames), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― hobart paving (hobart paving), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Amos, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Amos, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)
Much much better, I think that trilogy of albums is unique, some of the most truly original music of the late 60s/early 70s. Of course John Cale had an awful lot to do with it as well, in fact it's really a collaboration between the two. "Chelsea Girl" is a good 67/68-ish art/folk rock album, Nico herself is what makes it stand out.
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)
I fundamentally agree with this, but I see why people like Chelsea Girl (singular or plural, fact fans?).
If you like Chelsea Girl you may also like Nick Drage's "Bryter Layter".
― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)
Chelsea Girl (singular or plural, fact fans?)LP title is singular, song title/film title is plural.
― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Amos, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)
"i'm not sayin'" and "the longest mile" - they're on the immediate singles collection and a more recent nico best of.
― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:03 (twenty-one years ago)
no reason really, just acting out the psychodramas in my own head, er i mean joking.. sorry
but i really hate the way nico is misogynistically denigrated by pube headed rock archaeologists like charlie shaar murray and oliver stone as just a groupie... she didn't need anyone's help to shine (except arguably cale's)
― Dave Amos, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― queen gnifty, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)
Music for a New Society is great, but it doesn't have the beauty of those Nico records, it frostier, more nihilistic.
― Dave Amos, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)
Ornette taught her how to play the harmonium, btw.
― D. Strauss (musicmope), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)
yes, the prelude to a sadly never-realized "nico sings lightfoot" lp
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)
i like browne's own version of "these days" too--it's a lovely song
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Trever Booth (xjzico), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)
you guys probably know this but that's Jimmy Page playing guitar on those songs.
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)
nico sort of flattens out the gordon lightfoot melody, ridding it of his bluesy inflections (which i quite like, before the lightfoot hatas come out to make fun). but i still think it's a really cool arrangement--i think andrew loog oldham produced it.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 13 May 2004 06:10 (twenty-one years ago)
my god she had the best song titles ever!
― Dave Amos, Thursday, 13 May 2004 07:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 13 May 2004 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Amos, Thursday, 13 May 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dave Amos, Thursday, 13 May 2004 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 13 May 2004 08:27 (twenty-one years ago)
I heard that Ornette bought her the harmonium not that he actually taught her to play it. But, let's be honest, do you believe anything Nico said?
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 14 May 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)
yes
― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 28 May 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)
was completely unprepared for the first time I ever heard 'Alone'
― confuse your hunger, capture the fake (Jon L), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)
Does she really sing out of tune sometimes? I think she hits notes pretty well overall, no? You might not like the timbre of her voice, but that's different.
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)
― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)
― Christopher Costello (CGC), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:39 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)
― Christopher Costello (CGC), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)
― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)
― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)
Chelsea Girls is a film by Andy Warhol that Nico was in. The title refers to the Chelsea Hotel in NY, where the characters were supposed to be (and probably actually were) living.
― Dr Benway (dr benway), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)
― milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 5 August 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)
― don, Saturday, 6 August 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 6 August 2005 04:49 (twenty years ago)
maybe yr thinking of the bonus tracks on the Peel Slowly and See box set? I know it includes It Was a Pleasure and Melody Laughter...
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 6 August 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 10 December 2005 11:28 (nineteen years ago)
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Sunday, 11 December 2005 02:57 (nineteen years ago)
― Funky New Order Jazz Farts (Bimble...), Sunday, 11 December 2005 03:00 (nineteen years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgdZFnZ6M0k
I can't stop listening to this song
― the Whiney G. Weingarten Memorial 77 Clique (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 5 November 2010 18:00 (fourteen years ago)
so weird i just put on these days today
― plax (ico), Friday, 5 November 2010 18:00 (fourteen years ago)
well i guess not that weird
i like this album a lot
― plax (ico), Friday, 5 November 2010 18:01 (fourteen years ago)
shakey mo, here's the original (w/o jimmy page on 12-string unlike Nico's):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Af5d1FeJn4
― i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Friday, 5 November 2010 18:17 (fourteen years ago)
yeah I know. prefer Nico's version with the cavernous percussion
― the Whiney G. Weingarten Memorial 77 Clique (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 5 November 2010 18:21 (fourteen years ago)
I heard the Nico version on the radio a couple of years ago and had the same obsession, Shakey. Shame the sound quality's so ratty on that clip.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 5 November 2010 18:39 (fourteen years ago)
yeah doesn't really do it justice, it's a beautiful production
― the Whiney G. Weingarten Memorial 77 Clique (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 5 November 2010 18:47 (fourteen years ago)
nico had a weird life, didn't she.
― tylerw, Friday, 5 November 2010 18:51 (fourteen years ago)
and not a very happy one afaict
it's funny but I don't really care for any of the rest of her solo work - I really dig her in baroque folk-pop mode but the End and Marble Index are like soundtracks to silly German movies I don't really have any interest in watching
― the Whiney G. Weingarten Memorial 77 Clique (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 5 November 2010 19:03 (fourteen years ago)
I only knew Chelsea Girls and Marble Index but I fell head over heels in love with "Janitor of Lunacy" after hearing it earlier this year. What a vocal performance.
― willem, Friday, 5 November 2010 23:24 (fourteen years ago)
More than once I've put "It Was a Pleasure Then" on repeat for an hour or so. It was, in fact, a pleasure.
― Hideous Lump, Saturday, 6 November 2010 06:02 (fourteen years ago)
Somewhere There's a Feather always causes me to mist up.
― thirdalternative, Saturday, 6 November 2010 14:59 (fourteen years ago)
Royal Tennenbaums almost ruined "These Days" for me
― Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:56 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark
This is your own fault.
― thirdalternative, Saturday, 6 November 2010 15:02 (fourteen years ago)
You can't ruin "These Days." It even survived a Zellers commercial.
― clemenza, Saturday, 6 November 2010 15:35 (fourteen years ago)
If you let a good song get fuined by a movie or a commercial, it's the fault of your own lack of imagination, it's a sentiment that really irks me, that a good song can be killed by a commercial or film.
― thirdalternative, Saturday, 6 November 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago)
"I'm Not Saying" > pretty much everything else Nico has ever sang on
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 6 November 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago)
― tylerw, Friday, November 5, 2010 7:51 PM (2 years ago)
― the Whiney G. Weingarten Memorial 77 Clique (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, November 5, 2010 8:03 PM (2 years ago)
These guys OTM. Watched Nico: Icon last night. What a bleak and harrowing fucking story. The contrasts between beauty and ugliness in her life is striking. Sadly, the beauty usually relates to her art, and the ugliness to her life.
Never really listened much to this record, btw. Went straight to Marble Index. It's very nice, though.
― Mule, Monday, 4 November 2013 13:57 (eleven years ago)
she sang out of tune because she was deaf in one ear, and the velvets used to mock her for it. happy life, I believe she shared her heroin with her child.
― OutdoorFish, Monday, 4 November 2013 14:19 (eleven years ago)
According to the movie, she did. The guy from Ash Ra Tempel, whom she lived with in the 70s said so. I think maybe her son Ari says so himself, too.
It's a sordid story.
― Mule, Monday, 4 November 2013 14:21 (eleven years ago)
I didn't know about this:http://www.audiospace.vn/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/the-bill-evans-trio-moon-beams-3.jpg
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 4 November 2013 17:13 (eleven years ago)
Not finding a general Nico thread...This just opened here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38RBdHtWkWo
Not sure if I'll see it. I saw the poster a few weeks and assumed it was a documentary--that I'd see. It's not, and it looks like it might be an ordeal from the trailer.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 August 2018 00:14 (seven years ago)
It Was A Pleasure Then was definately the Velvet Underground song i always wished they had done.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, May 11, 2004 5:27 PM (fourteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Haven't read all of the thread but this wasn't responded to at the time it was posted. I heard that the backing of the song was based on Melody Laughter the improvisation the VU did live I think regularly and definitely on the Columbus Ohio set that's now available with the larger box set of the first lp and in edited form on the Peel Slowly and See box set.Columbus, Ohio version is 28 minutes long as is The Nothing Song which they also did in the same set. I think both were done live with wordless vocal improvisations by Nico.
I would heavily recommend the frozen Borderline set that mops up the recordings from marble Index and Desertshore plus out takes.Also the 2cd version of The End. Don't like the title track of that '70s lp though seems too close to the original. But tracks on the first side are long term favourites as they have been for the last 35 odd years.Are those lps labeled proto-goth these days? Hope not, seem pretty original to me. & maybe Goth has faded into the distant past already.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 12 August 2018 14:14 (seven years ago)
Co-sign on The Frozen Borderline, it sounds great and the outtakes are wonderful.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 12 August 2018 14:16 (seven years ago)
I didn't know about this:― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, November 4, 2013 9:13 AM (four years ago)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, November 4, 2013 9:13 AM (four years ago)
Link broke, fixed:
https://i.imgur.com/oIbalp8.jpg
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 12 August 2018 15:05 (seven years ago)
This album just got a mention on Coronation Street!
― I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Friday, 31 December 2021 20:10 (three years ago)
What was said about it?!
― dow, Friday, 31 December 2021 22:37 (three years ago)
There was a conversation between two characters about the name for a hairdressers or something, the dialogue went something like:
"What about Elsie's Girls? You know like Chelsea Girls...""What? What's that?" "You know, the album by Nico, the woman who sang with the Velvet Underground?"
... something like that.
― I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Friday, 31 December 2021 22:46 (three years ago)
"What about Elsie's Girls? You know like Chelsea Girls...""What? What's that?""You know how in 1955 Lewis Separates was rebranded Chelsea Girl and became one of the UK's first female fashion chains, before being subsumed under the River Island umbrella in the 90s? Like that, but plural!"
^^ more realistic
― Alba, Saturday, 1 January 2022 09:14 (three years ago)
Well, Mico did live in Weatherfield Manchester for a while.
― I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Saturday, 1 January 2022 10:09 (three years ago)
... Nico (flaming phone!)
Manco
― Alba, Saturday, 1 January 2022 10:14 (three years ago)
Lol I wondered if this was a Corrie-related revive
God that dialogue was clumsy
― Khafre's clown (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 1 January 2022 10:25 (three years ago)