Brit-pop bands doing Dub songs

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The connection twix punk and dub is pretty well documented, but what about Brit-pop/Indie and dub. Classic or Dud?

AR Kane-Catch My Drift
Kitchens of Distinction-Anvil Dub off Love is Hell
Bauhaus-In Fear of Dub
Moonshake

there are a ton of others...???

ddb, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok, Bauhaus aren't exactly Brit-pop...but you get the idea.

ddb, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

By 'Britpop' you are now just meaning 'British and white' I take it?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

"She's in Parties" is pretty dubby, too.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, wasn't one of AR Kane black? British and indie?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, they were both black. I apologise for bring race into this.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

By 'Britpop' you are now just meaning 'British and white' I take it?

Not Exactly...just bands where Dub doesnt exactly fall into their Field of Expertise

ddb, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Primal Scream to thread? Gorillaz to thread too? Done.

Barima (Barima), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

adrian sherwood is white and british!

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe not.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

he is also is/in DUB SYNDICATE...so he doesnt count

ddb, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I love The Orb's Perpetual Dawn and the Sabres of Paradise's Wilmot, if they count. Simon Reynolds is a little disparaging in Energy Flash, arguing that computer generated dub somehow misses the feel of the real, organically produced stuff. I guess he's right in a way. I guess it's just something different.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The Orb is sorta dubby in general...

Yes to Primal Scream, there is a Dub remix or something on Screamadelica right??.

I forget it's been years since I've owned/heard that record.

ddb, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

The Orb is sorta dubby in general...

Well, they weren't when they started. And they started out pre-Orb in totally different fields. When do you decide someone has expertise?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

When do you decide someone has expertise?

I only have/heard one Orb record...but it was all pretty Dubby.
I'd say when a band's overall sound starts to lean toward a certain genre (in this case Dub).

Bauhaus never became a "dub band", I was mostly just curious about British bands tacking on a dub song toward the end of an album. I was curious as to why and what other bands have done it.

ddb, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

The Homosexuals and related groups used a ton of dub production techniques.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

XTC farked around with some dub. complicated game.

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre300/e307/e30795ekuu7.jpg

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Def Leppard ("Rocket"), Mekons, Membranes, Ruts, Mark Stewart, Public Image Ltd., Essential Logic, the Fall ("Marquis Cha Cha"), Killing Joke ("Change"), the Slits, Black Sabbath ("FX"), Led Zeppelin ("Whle Lotta Love"), the Rolling Stones ("Emotional Rescue"), Queen ("Another One Bits the Dust"), David Essex ("Rock On"), Gary Glitter, the Sweet, Generation X ("Wild Dub"), the Specials, etc.

chuck, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Excellent Chuck...completly forgot the ZEP and Stones. Although I wouldn't call FX by Sabbath dub, It is studio fuckery...but dub?

ya think?

ddb, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Prodigy used to do that great dub 'interlude' live (i only know it from Glasto '95 i saw on TV tho to be fair) and it's been dubbed (what pun?) 'Skabeats' as mp3.

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

The Perfecto remix of Embrace's "One Big Family" is a fucking amazing great big dub thing.

Ruts DC - Rhythm Collision Dub.

Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

ha chuck pulls out the dub metal.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

boo radley's "lazarus"
slowdive "souvlaki space station"

can't forget...

field of the nephilim - psychonaut (the dub posture)

pat o'brien, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

the cult - resurrection joe

cojucaru, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Underground Lovers - Recognise (Australian but very brit indie and v. dub)
Seefeel - a track on Polyfusia whose name escapes me

some early Catatonia was quite dub-influenced too, actually.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"lazarus" is an excellent one.. northern picture library dabbled in some dubby stuff as well..

the 'surface' 'noise' (electricsound), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Basement 5

atheistgauze, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The whole of "Giant Steps" by the Boos has some pretty heavy dub stuff. Check "Upon 9th and Fairchild" - it's practically a Harry Mudie reggae song.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 07:52 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a bit towards the end of "40 Feet" by Franz Ferdinand where the song almost breaks down into this Augustus Pablo-y dub, only for about 8 bars, and it's the weirdest bit of the whole album and it shouldn't work but it's totally freakin' classic.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anyone say World Dom yet?

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll probably get kicked for this, but "Frosty hands" by 18 Wheeler is pretty dubby too. Not bad for a bunch of Fannies wannabes.

Rob M (Rob M), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 08:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Hooray, someone said "World Dom!" and it wasn't me!

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Swervedriver have a good one, at the end of Mezcal Head. ("Never Learn Not To Love/Never Lose That Feeling"?)

I love this genre (if genre it can be called,) actually.

M Specktor, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

adrian sherwood is white and british!

would you say he has expertise in dub?

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that one of those dastardly Stelfox trick questions?

Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

james vs sabres .. there was a full on 2 track 30 minute cd single which went swamp dub massive. and yes Adiran Sherwood knows his dub. i mean really .. the man has dubbed up everything over the years .. even shed 7 !

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I forgot about that Swervedriver song...that's a great one.

Do Ride have any?

ddb, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i hope this is sort of relevant - from a letter currently in progress:

"Architectural Remixes:
I bought a compilation CD of stuff by 80’s pop-merchant little Nicky Kershaw for only THREE BAR. (I know, I know...but I have always liked NK’s tech-pop – nice chords and key changes and mid-80’s tech-sheen production of a decent kind – i.e. not the kind popularised a couple of years later: the Stock/Aitken/Waterman production-line monotony). The sleeve notes contained this wonderful observation:
'...encouraged by the example of his elder brother Jonathan, who proved that Kershaws could carve unconventional careers by becoming a dolphin trainer...’
(it would be even odder if this training was of the ‘living-torpedo-for-the-CIA’ type, but I suspect it was the ‘fake-footballer-for-bucket-of-fish’ option...)
Anyway, listening to it, I was struck by how odd the whole ‘remix’ or ‘extended mix’ phenomenon of the 80’s was. You remember them, often present on the 12” single you could get as an alternative to the bog-standard 7”, they were around before the rise of the CD format made it common to include extended remixes on albums as ‘bonus tracks’ to fill the 70-minutes available on a disc, and before the rise of ‘dance music’ made ‘remix’ = bolting a dance-beat onto a song’s undercarriage and/or festooning it with sampled spirituality...
The better of these 80’s remixes used to have a kind of semi-Dub quality of sound/practice, but within very pop standard 4/4 rhythm & phrasing - the 'dissection' of the multitrack, sections where the instruments/vocals would be dropped out to leave just bass/drums for a few bars, or certain elements would be blasted in and out, often emphasised with heavy echo/reverb....
(At their worst these things might lift a particular phrase from the song and use that deeply annoying Sa-sa-sa-sa-sampling stammer effect on it, and sometimes they would include a usually-dud section with extra clattering drums & percussion pasted in – effectively a Drum Solo plodding in wearing a false moustache...)
Listening to the Kershaw ones, I was reminded of how they sort of exposed the architecture/structure/innards of a song and its recording: listening to them is like watching film of a building shot from a circling helicopter, with the camera having some filter over the lens that can change to show you just the girders inside the thing, then just the joinery, or the plumbing, or the electrical wiring...
In retrospect, it may well be part of how I actually figured out the construction of songs and recordings – but as a method/aspect of self-teaching it perhaps resulted in the reduced focus/scope which is a danger of such: it probably appealed in the first place to (but then reinforced) my tendencies towards a grid-like meccano-set way of listening/thinking about/assembling music."

(i.e. i think 'dub' elements found their way into an awful lot of 12" remixes during the 80's)

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Saint Etienne

Keith Hudson was even mentioned in the So Tough sleevenotes

Robert Moore (treble), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah specifically "Railway Jam" and "On The Shore".

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)


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