Classic or Dud: Fripp & Eno's two collaborations

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I have been listening (not 24 hrs a day, mind you) to Fripp & Eno's "No Pussyfooting" and "Evening Star" for 20+ years now, and I still like them. A lot of the "progressive" things I was listening to at that time have not held up very well for me, but these recordings have. A friend once described them as too cerebral, but I find much of the material on these two albums quite moving. Eno's background electronic grid is not terribly exciting, but it serves its perhaps as a background for Fripp's playing. I like other Fripp things here and there, but I think this is some of the best work he's ever done on guitar. Anyone else agree? Disagree?

DeRayMi, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yay "no pussyfooting" yeah that's nearly my favourite fripp thing. side 2 of "starless & bible black" & "cat food" & "the devil's triangle" off "in the wake of poseidon" are #2=.

duane, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the Daryl Hall/Fripp album>^Sacred Songs^

, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Side Two of Evening Star - An Index Of Metals - is one of the scariest songs I have ever heard.

Damian, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd agree, if only 'Evening Star' weren't used on TV so much.

K-reg, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They play that on TV now? I don't have a TV, so I wouldn't know. Are you in the UK? because I wouldn't expect that to be played "here" in the states, though I don't know why I should be surprised, since it is pretty accessible.

DeRayMi, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

UK TV — BBC anyway — is a constant riot of whacky background s/t avant-gardism (BBC has rights to use of ANY MUSIC ANYWHERE for free: is that still correct?)

Arena, the opening bit with the floating bottle, uses an Eno tune.

mark s, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Red!

Sean, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I love Evening Star. Mixing that w/ some Windy & Carl is fuzzy drone heaven. Classic.

Mark, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
Why do I always see Fripp criticized because "All he does is improvise in such-and-such mode"? Maybe I don't like him because I think he is complex; maybe I like him because he has a relatively distinctive sound and I find it moving (at least some of the time).

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 5 March 2003 01:33 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
just picked up Equatorial Stars, and maybe it's the afterglow, but it's my favorite of the three

harlan, Saturday, 18 June 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

yeah, I like the F&E classix fine. one of my friends just picked up the "Equatorial" CD but I haven't gotten around to listening to it yet--he says it's real good, though.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 18 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
so does anyone know the story behind the top gear session eno and fripp did in 1973? is it really just "no pussyfooting" played backwards? i just downloaded the tracks from here: bigomagazine.com/archive/ARrarities/ARrfbebbc.html

tylerw, Friday, 21 October 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

is it really just "no pussyfooting" played backwards? If it's in mp3, you can always convert it to wav, pop it in Windows Sound Editor or Audacity or the like, reverse it, and convert it back to find out...

Does anyone know if these two are going to be reissued? Digging around a bit, I see they're both on Editions EG, whose Eno solo stuff has almost entirely been remastered/reissued on Astralwerks...

telephone thing, Friday, 21 October 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

The first time I played The Essential Fripp & Eno was in my car (which, to be fair, was a very noisy old thing and hardly conducive to listening to anything properly) and I became absolutely convinced that my CD player had a loose speaker conection or was malfunctioning in some other crusial respect.

I'm not sure if this is necessarily an intrinsically good or bad thing, just saying....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 21 October 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

frippeneeno is pretty good to say

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 21 October 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

the new one is good as well

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 21 October 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

'no pussyfooting' sounds incredible backwards. wow.

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 22 October 2005 04:54 (twenty years ago)

Goddamn that sounds like a good idea. Why don't I have the vinyl of that right now?

Bimble The Nimble, Jumped Over A Thimble! (Bimble...), Saturday, 22 October 2005 04:55 (twenty years ago)

just download the mp3's linked upthread

it's a trick many people have used before, simply flipping the tape so the mountains of decay slowly get louder & closer & then suddenly break... but it's particularly fun to do this with a record you've already heard dozens & dozens of times, it's like I'm listening to it for the first time & yet I know everything that's coming.

when it's reissued, they should put on the backwards version as bonus tracks

milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 22 October 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)

fussypooting

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Saturday, 22 October 2005 05:26 (twenty years ago)

The Equatorial Stars is my favourite of the three albums - not nearly as evil as I'd expected. A vote for the title track of "Evening Star" as one of Fripp's greatest guitar moments, if not the greatest (that would probably be "St. Elmo's Fire").

Deluxe (Damian), Saturday, 22 October 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)

No Pussyfooting and Evening Star = pinnacles of beatless music. I never tire of listening to them.

original plagiarist (Da ve Segal), Saturday, 22 October 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

These backwards versions are great.

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 22 October 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41SzibisxjL._AA240_.jpg

am0n, Saturday, 20 October 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

I've only heard Evening Star, but I love it. It's equally appreciable as background or for a close listen, and it has the one qualifier I've come to need from ambient music. I can't stand these constant 'round' synth tones, I don't know how to describe it, they're not bells exactly, but they're very cool and they turn me off everytime I listen. This has the kind of hiss I like, and of course the loops are cool too.

Index of Metals is my favorite track because it closely matches my favorite sound, the fireplace floo in the morning as it's wearing down. I used to sleep beside it before the bus on winter mornings, on the cold stone hearth, with that slowly modulating whistle, and it's just ingrained in my psyche as the most pleasant, wonderful sound.

trashthumb, Saturday, 20 October 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

HOLY SHIT @ that Amazon link.

Can't find a tracklist anywhere, dying for more info. It's a double CD!!!

trashthumb, I like No Pussyfooting even more fwiw.

sleeve, Saturday, 20 October 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

They both extended my patience a bit too far, really. Sort of OK, though.

PhilK, Sunday, 21 October 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

no pussyfooting is one of my favorite records everrrr

69, Sunday, 21 October 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

Unreleased Works of Startling Genius is apparently the CD release of The Cotswold Gnomes (see http://www.dgmlive.com/archive.htm?artist=20&show=1099), which was just a download before.

Robert Fripp talks about remastering (No Pussyfooting) and Evening Star

Continues

eatandoph, Sunday, 21 October 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

"Unreleased Works of Startling Genius"?!?!?

man what a horrible title. that said "no pussyfooting" is great.

Mark Clemente, Sunday, 21 October 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

All those bed & breakfast backyard shots on the Discipline Global Mobile diary entries are great as far as getting into the Fripp mindset.

Craig D., Sunday, 21 October 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

"Unreleased Works of Startling Genius" is an awesome title

CaptainLorax, Sunday, 21 October 2007 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

Thank me later.

Capitaine Jay Vee, Sunday, 21 October 2007 23:37 (eighteen years ago)

four months pass...

Belated thank you. I'm enjoying this more tonight than I did on first listen or two. Maybe the way it towers above so much of the new music I've been listening to lately has something to do with my greater appreciation for it at the moment. Anyway, I do prefer to the studio material, but this is well worth a listen.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Monday, 17 March 2008 23:11 (seventeen years ago)

Oh wait, I was listening to Equatorial Stars. How idiotic of me. (Granted, I was pretty distracted earlier with a letter and some PC issues.) No wonder it sounded different. Well, thanks anyway. Let's see how the actual live one sounds.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 00:33 (seventeen years ago)

(I guess the good news is that Equatorial Stars was sounding better to me.)

_Rockist__Scientist_, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 00:34 (seventeen years ago)

but The Equatorial Stars is great, always has been!

stephen, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 01:40 (seventeen years ago)

havent heard equatorial stars, but i love the other two. i gotta give it up for "an index of metals" as well, i love that one. plus evening star has such a great cover.

pipecock, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 01:48 (seventeen years ago)

x-post:

I'm still not totally sold on some of the rhythms Eno cooks up there, too draggy. But Fripp is great and when Eno is just doing synth washes or whatever he does, that part is fine.

_Rockist__Scientist_, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 01:49 (seventeen years ago)

With the right software, you can make your OWN backwards version (and throw lotsa flanging & whatnot on top too!)

Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 01:54 (seventeen years ago)

the other new one is alright but kind of forgettable

akm, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 04:04 (seventeen years ago)

six months pass...

I've just received the DGM remasters of these 2 records. They have long been favourites of mine but these new CDs sound really fantastic. "Evening Star" hasn't changed too much except for extra clarity but "No Pussyfooting" is just amazing. There is so much more to hear in the original tracks this time around. On top of that it has reverse versions (to replicate their 1st radio play on John Peel's show) and a half speed version of 'Heavenly Music' - just because.

nonightsweats, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 04:01 (seventeen years ago)

Evening Star is such a better ambient record than Another Green World and yet the latter is the one that gets all the praise. Idiots.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 04:42 (seventeen years ago)

three weeks pass...

OMG

"heavenly music corporation" at half speed!!!

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 9 November 2008 04:36 (sixteen years ago)

A really fantastic reissue. Love the extra versions.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 9 November 2008 05:40 (sixteen years ago)

not so big on the backwards version of "swastika girls" but the backwards / slowed-down versions of "tHMC" are the tits

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 9 November 2008 05:52 (sixteen years ago)

is there bonus material on "evening star" or is it just remastered?

moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 9 November 2008 05:53 (sixteen years ago)

I think the latter. It's only single disc.

Alex in SF, Sunday, 9 November 2008 08:18 (sixteen years ago)

four months pass...

Don't feel like starting a basic "Fripp - C/D?" thread, so I'll post it here instead -- I used to think RF was admirably principled, but after the last year or so, I've come to realize he's just a big fucking baby who needs it absolutely quiet to have his afternoon nap.

WmC, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 15:32 (sixteen years ago)

yeah and he never buys toilet paper even if he finished the roll

Snop Snitchin, Tuesday, 24 March 2009 16:39 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

just checking in *checks in*

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Saturday, 24 July 2010 12:09 (fifteen years ago)

Still two of my favorite albums.

_Rudipherous_, Saturday, 24 July 2010 12:36 (fifteen years ago)

Love love love Evening Star. Haven't honestly played No Pussyfooting enough times to call it familiar. Must fix this.

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 15:17 (fifteen years ago)

i was the same up until a few months ago and now i've been listening to no pussyfooting almost every night since

i need to get the cd to hear those half speed and backwards versions

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 16:10 (fifteen years ago)

i also used to think "swastika girls" >>> "the heavenly music corperation" -- maybe i was just really into eno's vcs 3 noises in the background, but once i started really getting into fripp's guitar, and listening for the changes, and how he interacts with the tapes i think i've changed my mind, it's all about this big swirling dark build that resolves with those low sweeping notes at the end and somehow morphs into this really hopeful music, i dunno like a trip that starts out bad and uncontrollable but once you reign it in you start to chill and have the best time

i think "swastika girls" reveals its beauty more immediately so maybe that's why i connected it with it first. the recurring lead is so so gorgeous

不合作的方式 (r1o natsume), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 16:19 (fifteen years ago)

I've always thought of "Swastika Girls" as more the less accessible one.

_Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 28 July 2010 01:44 (fifteen years ago)

No Pussyfooting is so far beyond classic it's ridiculous. I will always love this album.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 28 July 2010 05:06 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

when it's reissued, they should put on the backwards version as bonus tracks

― milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, October 22, 2005 6:08 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
fussypooting

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Saturday, October 22, 2005 6:26 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark

this made me laugh really, really hard

friends don't understand us, adults don't understand us (zorn_bond.mp3), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 05:56 (fifteen years ago)

nine years pass...

Fripp & Eno albums just showed up on Spotify

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 25 October 2019 05:08 (five years ago)


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