Japan in the 70s

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_Excitement is obsession_, Sylvian sarcasticilly sang in Adolescent Sex, was that the _Here we are now, entertain us_ of the 70s glam?

Come on, Sean, this one's for you: make the Dandy Buddhas appear on our Shiseido'd lips again.

Were they _just another hype_? At least they deserve their own ILM discussion, instead of some Gary Numan spin-off thread.

Countless possibilities cry ILLUMINATION!

erik, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, since I've just be reviewing them for the AMG... ;-)

Great band. The shock of realization upon first seeing the back cover of Gentlemen Take Polaroids and then hearing the music -- and thus in two quick steps explaining *everything* about who Duran Duran were really trying to be -- was quite something! Their earliest stuff is fairly inexcusable even to a glam hound like me, but when their role models switched from the New York Dolls to Roxy Music, things improved. By the time of Tin Drum, they were freaking gods -- they had perfected the Roxy elegant dissipation Eurodisco style and then went beyond it!

Search: Gentlemen Take Polaroids, Tin Drum, Quiet Life.

I could go on about Sylvian's solo stuff and the various collaborations between Karn and Barbieri and Jansen and Barbieri's work with Porcupine Tree and Tim Bowness...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Japan in the 80's was ok. I wish "Quiet Life" included their Georgio Moroder-produced "Life in Tokyo", and wasn't so low-key, and the subsequent stuff did cut a unique groove, albeit in a slightly-too- serious, artsy way...

But Japan in the 70's! Wow! "Adolescent Sex" and "Obscure Alternatives" are two faves of mine that absolutely nobody mentions... unknown, and unhip, to the point where I don't even bother mentioning them. But let's take a closer look; the closest analogue I can come up with would be first-album era Roxy Music crossed with... I dunno, maybe a little New York Dolls? All off- kilter, where's the hook oh I see tunes, dueling guitars where you're never sure who the winner is, and, oh yeah, that voice. Forget the "elegant" Sylvian of the 80's... this guy is all bitchy mewling, screaming and pouting. Even Miss Guy sounds butch in comparison. It's brilliant!

And the look? Well, it's a mess, of course. Teased, bleached and died hair, jelly shoes, bad makeup... check out the first Ultravox! album cover... now imagine it more effiminate, more tacky, more outrageous. Did I mention I love this??

Frankly, I don't care who hates this stuff, and I know a lot of people do, 'cuz it just makes it all the more special to me. True Story: I was spinning at the Hole in the Wall a few years ago, and this guy who usually didn't speak to me walks up and asks "Is this Japan?" I answer yes, and he walks away, saying nothing. I've seen him many times since, but he's never spoken to me again. I know it's not because I was spinning a Japan record ("Automatic Gun", in case you're curious), but it's fun to think so anyway.

Sean, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ha! Looks like Ned and I are fond of the opposite periods! I picked the better one, of course...

Sean, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sean, this is the 'answer' I was aiming at!

Marry me? ;-)

OK, I can't get over _Visions of China_ that is a classic, I have vague memories of this promo-clip: communist uniforms and enough foundation on their faces to cover the entire continent of said country.

But for now, more heavymetal-fans-think-Japan-was-cool-in-late-70s- answers

erik, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was going to say 'wet memories' but that's sooooooo over-the-topic.

Did it inspire Momus' _I was a Maoist intellectual_?

erik, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sean! That was me! I'm awful shy, you know.

Just kidding. Actually, I remember when those records came out. The word on the street (or at Bleecker Bob's) was that even though they looked like the Dolls and the singer's name was Sylvian (almost Sylvain), that was about as far as the resemblance went. So avoid! And buy Ultravox instead! At least that's what I was told at the time. Silly me. That photo of the band (Japan, that is) sitting in the middle of the street is so classic. So even though I got into them around Gentlemen Take Polaroids, I never backtracked to these albums. Are they still in print? Your description of Sylvian's vocals back then--I never knew, that sounds great!

Speaking of early, early glam revival bands, I did buy the Girl album Sheer Greed (1980) when it came out cause it featured a cover of "Do You Love Me". And because they were called Girl. But it was just passable pop metal. They weren't no Def Leppard.

Arthur, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ha! Looks like Ned and I are fond of the opposite periods! I picked the better one, of course...

Hey you punk, I was going to offer to buy you a drink in December, so scratch *that* gift off the list. ;-)

I think to my ears the first two albums just sound amusingly ridiculous as opposed to truly wonderfully ridiculous, if you get my sense of it. My friend Karen's favorite bit from that time is when Sylvian slavers "Just keep on dancing, ba-hy-be!" on "Adolescent Sex" itself. I give them points for effort, but Quiet Life is when they really started to work for me (and I agree, "Life in Tokyo" is a dream).

To Arthur: Sean's recommendations make perfect sense, knowing your taste. All of the albums are or were in print in America via Caroline, so go forth!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Right now I'm listening to "Quiet Life" (1980), and Ned's comment about where Duran Duran got their shtick is spot-on. "Siren"-era Roxy Music is Japan's obvious inspiration here, but Duran Duran obviously spent even more tiime listening to this LP; right down to the vocal inflections and horn accents, this record is to thank (or to blame). Also, with a few small exceptions, it sounds like a different band than the one that recorded the first two records.

Sean, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Out of the older stuff, I think my favourite is "Sometimes I Feel So Low". The whole separated channels thing works well. Just wish the sound quality had been bumped up a notch.

Sylvian's "Red Guitar" video kind of sums up everything that I loved about the 80's.

I still have a done in highschool, pointilist portrait of him around here somewhere.

Kim, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I just checked, I actually had a coloured in version of it on the computer. It's now the annoying pop-up feature of the day on prototype if anyone here is half as bored as I obviously am. :)

Kim, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned, bang your own tin drum! Sean does not need you...

Don't rain on our parade, please

erik, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I luv everything they've ever done. 'Obscure Alternatives' definitely lives up to its title, as I'm the only person I know who owns a copy!

dave q, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I only have Quiet Life on vinyl at the mo, but will be getting more very soon. I know most of their stuff from my yoof, but didn't really get around to owning any at the time. Mostly damn fine.

Does anyone have the David Sylvian 2-CD set "Everything and Nothing" - I'd be interested to hear any views.

Dr. C, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I bought ^EAN^ and the updated vocals are ok but I prefer the 80's mannerisms. The dance remixes are not essential. Having had my ear bent to all Sylvian/Japan stuff by an ILM candyman(GTP fan) I'm amused by the early albums but never enthralled>>>

, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

David Sylvian singing _I'll take you out in the moonlight_ on a song called _Communist China_, now that's coool, apart from being very sarcastic.

maybe you can do something like that only ones?

I prefer the single-version _Adolescent Sex_ over the one on the album though.

erik, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned, bang your own tin drum! Sean does not need you...

Patience, my pet! We can all be happy in this life, so retract the claws. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Everything and Nothing -- I like it but the rerecordings are inessential. I was much more interested in the odd comp tracks and things that turned up.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The whole 80s-era Japan coincided with my highschool-years and i practically lived those records (I got hooked on Nightporter). That makes it difficult to listen to them now, those years are not something I have memories about I want to relive. As the first two records were totally out of my reach at that time for some reason, I find them nowadays very refreshing and interesting.

A cousin of mine owned a copy of Adolescent Sex and I remember she playing it when i was very young. For a long time it was the lost- record-of-my-childhood.

I saw a dance-performance recently from a Belgian company, where boys between 12 and 18 years were playing the cool kids on the schoolground, moving around on that song. It was exactly the mood it makes me feel every time I play it.

erik, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

five years pass...

I just found Obscure Alternatives and Tin Drum on vinyl today and I'm quite happy about it.

Davey D, Friday, 25 May 2007 04:47 (eighteen years ago)

I like Japan a lot, but not their 70s material. Other than "Life In Tokyo" that is.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 25 May 2007 07:33 (eighteen years ago)

I love early Japan. That cover of Don't Rain On My Parade is more of a divine artifact to me than Hendrix playing SSB. I'm not saying its better than later Japan - just different.

And way better than Blemish and that Nine Horses remix album

Geordie Racer, Friday, 25 May 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

What Nine Horses remix album?

You mean the Blemish remix album, don't you?

Jon Lewis, Friday, 25 May 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry, it's an e.p

'Money For All is an extended play cd from David Sylvian, Steve Jansen, and Burnt Friedman's band 'Nine Horses'. It features two new tracks, 'Money For All' (the title of the ep), co-written by David and Burnt and 'Get the hell out' by Steve and David. The ep also features remixes and interpretations by Burnt of three tracks from the Nine Horses album 'Snow Borne Sorrow' (The Banality Of Evil, Wonderful World, and Serotonin) and alternative versions of the two new tracks plus the Japanese only released bonus track 'Birds Sing For Their Lives' with Stina Nordenstam.'

but it's a bloody long one...

Geordie Racer, Friday, 25 May 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

five years pass...

My god, I fucking love 'Automatic Gun'.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 21:18 (thirteen years ago)


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