Let's talk about The D the I the D the D the Y. The Diddy.

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So. Puffy's new single. I'm starting to dig him a great deal. Very casual laid back old-skool flow (yes, he has flow now!) and production which feels like Eve's "Who's That Girl" at half speed -- complete with single note stuttering synth and goofy drawled backup singers with the name, just the right tension between languor and off-kilter alertness.

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So was he just a pisser coz of his samples, or was there a real basis for the animosity?

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yes, he has flow now!

I suspect he bought that too.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

He still sucks! Oh god he sucks. Jesus. God. Oh that pencil necked ex rec exec suXor. Damn. And what's with trying to bring back flat billed baseball caps?

― Dan I., Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

does "sean john" do a velour leisure suit? hmmm, lilac, i was thinking...

― bob snoom, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My anti-P Puffy Pop stance has definitely softened, after learning of his production credits behind such gems as Mary J. Blige's "Real Love" and BIG's "Sky's the Limit" & "One More Chance". He still can't flow, though. The single is pretty good, though, just because the production allows P's lack of flow to go unnoticed over the nice nice beats. The chorus is a bit lackluster, though. And I like that he namechecks Mr. Belvedere and Benson and gets them IN the video!

― David Raposa, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That minute-long skit in the middle is the worst thing ever.

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, and the video takes place in that same fucking neon spaceship!! Will someone please blow that thing up already? Parliament I'm looking at you!!

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like his line about not caring if he can write rhymes cos now he writes checks. His rapping still sucks ass.

― Ally, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I write checks too, so fucking what?

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

At least he's finally admitting he's a dick.

― jeff jordan, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But he probably is paying off bigger credit card bills.

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The difference is ya'alls checks probably are for $50 to Verizon and they bounce from time to time. Puffy ain't doing that. Although he probably pays Verizon $50 for monthly service plus local calls too. They just don't bounce. I wonder if his cell phone has James Earl Jones's voice come on cos he too stupid to figure out how to set up voicemail, like all the guys at work.

― Ally, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That $50 deal is SUCH A SCAM - it's like $50 + some tax + some other tax + "wire charges" CRAP. it's worth it for unlimited 411 though. do you think puffy has call-ID blocking? does he have to keep remembering to hit *82 first? i want to hear him rap about that.

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yo. First off, we're discussing "DIDDY", not "Bad Boy For Life" (which we can all agree is asscrap). Secondly ... no, there is no second point.

I want a nice Motorola cell phone, not one of those stiff ass pieces of crap. I want mine to FLIP DOWN, damn it.

― David Raposa, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Puff Daddy or P. Diddy, or whatever, sucks.

I miss MA$E.

Who's with me?

― Lindsey B, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ma$e was good in "It'll take millions in plastic surgery to make me black". Otherwise I'm not sure how much sympathy I have for the guy.

― Honda, Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Money for me = pretty cool. Listening to people brag about their money = starting to wear pretty fucking thin... paradigm shift, anyone?

― Clarke B., Wednesday, 7 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

David, we don't all agree that "Bad Boys" is asscrap. How do you explain a certain Moment in Love, then?

― Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A Moment of Weakness? I dunno - sure, there might be good bits, but put it all together, and it turns into LOG.

― David Raposa, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love that Puffy designed mink shorts, because that's the most absurd thing evah. Does he wear them I wonder...

The new single's okay, not as detestable as some of his other stuff but I'm not exactly loving it either.

― Nicole, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mink shorts? What? That sounds like something OUtkast would wear.

― Ally, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Only 'dre. But I think he's some vegan freak.

― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Also, the Neptunes produced this.

― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mink shorts or the song?

― Ally, Thursday, 8 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What annoys me is that all rap "Post-Puffy" is out of sync. The rhythm of the vocal seems to have no relation whatsoever with the rhythm of the drum track or the samples.

― Lord Custos, Friday, 9 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And where would this "post-Piddy" line be drawn? Circa _36 Chambers_? BIG seemed to follow the beats just fine, and the only non-beat-following example I can think of (ODB) don't need no stinkin' beat.

― David Raposa, Friday, 9 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mixing ODB acapellas is murder.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 9 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I remember reading an interview w/Missy Elliott where she said she asked for a click track (= a metronome going 1 2 3 4, 1 2 3 4 etc) in order to record the vocals for "Get Ur Freak On", because she got so lost. It doesn't sound that hard but if you listen to the instrumental and try to rap along with it you'll see what she means. That said, Lord Custos, surely you exaggerate about ALL rap etc. Frankly I wish it were so.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 9 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"..Missy Elliott asked for a click track"
Wow, a rapper with the natural riddims of a white tax accountant. Well, my mind is officially blown.

That said, Lord Custos, surely you exaggerate about ALL rap etc.

Naw, I'm just saying that all the rap I've heard from 1997 til now seems to have a distracting lack of sync between the samples and the vocals. And some can't even match the percussion to either the samples OR the vocals. It's getting reeeeeaaalllly irritating.

Frankly I wish it were so. You lost me. You wish *all* rap was out of sync?

― Lord Custos, Sunday, 11 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But, but... what about Organized Konfusion? They're the bomb precisely because their flows veer on and off the beat. AND they were around several years before Puffy.

At any rate, DMX is one of the most rhythmic cats out there.

― Dan Perry, Sunday, 11 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

On beat = "body rock hip hop to the tip top gonna make you jump and shake youar rump" old-skool nursery rhyming. Which is good & all. But for example I just got the new Foxy Brown [which I'm rilly digging] and was put off at first by how off beat she sounded until I realized that there was a deliberate rubato going which kept her on the back of the beat and it added a certain rhythm to the song, an certain tension, and it was quite deliberate.

― Sterling Clover, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, LC, I wish more rap bucked against the MIDI straitjacket. Off- kilter beats (especially RZA's contribution, loops that are internally off but which sync in relation to each other and to the structure of the song) are HARD to do, it takes WORK to engineer the kind of yawning gaps and unexpected syncopations that are showing up more and more these days. I dunno; I figure anything based in electronics that sounds a little off must be doing something right.

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 12 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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