Bob Seger's "Night Moves": C or D

It can't be both? (I'm quite serious.)

seger's other stuff
is all up-and-down and stuff
"night moves," though, is DOPE

hollywood nights
beautiful loser
and ESPECIALLY the kinda by the numbers Seger but also kind of weird sub-springsteen in his early dylan knockoff lyrics phase FIRE LAKE!!!!

got you stuck off the realness, bob be the infamous...

(PS also the Bob Seger System album is ace pscyh-R&B with ultra classic Ramblin Gamblin Man)

Well, the encounters aren't anonymous, are they? I mean, it's just a couple of teenagers going at it in the backseat of a car, but I don't think it's ever implied that they don't know each other.

Not that it matters. I have to say it's "deeply resonant" because when I was like 12 or 13, this song represented what I thought being a teenager was going to be like, and I have to say, it sounded pretty sweet. I realize that's not what you meant when you said "deeply resonant," but I feel OK with that.

scott ce so fucking OTM....(also I grew up in a midwestern small town which might mean that it means more to me)....

also it's what being a teenager SHOULD have been like, but usually isn't....

also, I remember songs like this making me nostalgic for being a teenager when I WAS a teenager....nostalgia for the PRESENT...or nostalgia for something that never was....or I haven't got any sleep in days and I should SHUT UP!

Who’s gonna ride that chrome three wheeler
Who’s gonna make that first mistake
Who wants to wear those gypsy leathers
All the way to fire lake
Who wants to break the news about uncle joe
You remember uncle joe
He was the one afraid to cut the cake
Who wants to tell poor aunt sarah
Joe’s run off to fire lake
Joe’s run off to fire lake

Who wants to brave those bronze beauties
Lying in the sun
With their long soft hair falling
Flying as they run
Oh they smile so shy
And they flirt so well
And they lay you down so fast
Till you look straight up and say
Oh lord
Am I really here at lost

Who wants to play those eights and aces
Who wants a raise
Who needs a stake
Who wants to take that long shot gamble
And head out to fire lake
Head out
Who wants to go to fire lake
And head out
Who wants to go to fire lake
Head out
Out to fire lake

I WANT MY LIFE TO BE A CHEVY TRUCK COMMERCIAL RIGHT NOW PLEASE!!!

WHO WANTS TO WEAR THOSE GYPSY LEATHERS?!??

UNCLE JOE IS AFRAID TO CUT THE CAKE?!?! (fart joke?)

i need a steak.

Scott OTM

also, I remember songs like this making me nostalgic for being a teenager when I WAS a teenager....nostalgia for the PRESENT...or nostalgia for something that never was...

Matt OTM

Not much more needs to be said, other than to affirm classic status. It's great fun to play that simple D-C-G progression over and over. I never tire of it. Also, been spending a lot of time with the album of the same name over the last 6 months or so; it's probably his best overall album, IMNSHO. And yes, I've heard them all.

also classic Seger:

hollywood nights

The drums on this song are friggin' great.

i agree with ned...it's both. it's a really well written and arranged song, and his singing is great too, especially those carefully strangulated high notes. i mean, the song is admirable in its counterbalance of romanticism and romanticizing-puncturing detail.... but even with all its lyrics acknowledging the bumbling, awkward nature of teenage sexual encounters, there's something a little icky about it.

i never had an adolescence like this :(... but i understand the feelinsg about this song offering one vision of adolescence for those for whom it hadn't yet arrived.

the drums on "hollywood hills" ARE great. seger has a bunch of really great songs.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...) (webmail), May 22nd, 2004 1:05 PM. (vassifer) (later) (link)
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"used to"? have you come around?

he really is (was) a good songwriter, a better than good singer...and his best records have really classic r'n'r arrangements, exciting and meaty without being (like much of his lesser, and later, stuff) too thick and portentous.

(j/k)

D: "Shakedown," featuring the stomach-turning chorus, "Shakedown, breakdown--you're busted" and then the lamest robo-horns ever. From the Beverly Hills Cop 2 OST, natch.

Not really, but his like has become pretty scarce....unless you count Kid Rock.

Even better than Cougar's "Ain't Even Done With the Night," which is also classic in the exact same bra-strap-fumbling vein.

i'm not a big seger fan (i started a "defend the indefensible" about him a year ago, remember?). but i do like this song -- especially the slow part towards the end, where segar "wakes up to the sound of thunder," starts humming a "song from 1962," remembers the backseat romance of this song, and (as if to not dwell too long on it) notes that autumn is closing in. for some reason, it seems to sum up memories of that sorta thing pretty well esp. as one grows older -- think about it a while, then move on. and yeah, the music arrangement is pretty nice.

i also remember first hearing this when i was, like, 8? not having any knowledge of nookie, i just thought it was about a detective ("working on mysteries w/t any clues" and all).

Also, I got the chords wrong up there; I was trying to do it from memory. I had the I-IV-V in the wrong key; it's actually G-F-C. Same chords as "Sister Ray". Of course.

This just occured to me (your sentence about autumn closing in)

HUSKER DU'S CELEBRATED SUMMER = HOLLYWOOD NIGHTS OF 80S PUNK!!!!

Then that backward-looking section at the end is just knife-twistingly real: it's clear that he has romantic feelings about the past, while at the same time acknowledging how unromantic the coupling was.

Because nostalgia often has little to do with the quality of the experiences, and a lot to do with our own shifts in feeling about ourselves. This is actually a pretty feckin wise point, and one that I don't think was ever made in song before "Night Moves."

I have similar love for "Main Street." Not "Hollywood Nights," though, for some reason. Too frenetic, with its fast tempo and hooting backup singers.

...which is basically an "it's tough to be a rockstar" song, I figured out years later. "Deadlines and commitments/What to leave in/What to leave out." I didn't understand that line at the time. Now I wonder how choosing a final track listing for an album is really worst than, "Makin' Thunderbirds" or the other Midwest labor jobs he sang about.

But too true about "Night Moves" and "nostalgia for an age yet to come" in so many Seger songs. And 1962 seemed like the distant past, when it was really only 15 years earlier. It would be like "hummin' a song from 1990" now.

'Fire Lake' isn't bad. (And 'Makin' Thunderbirds' on *the Distance*. though I haven't heard it in years, might well be better.) But either way, *Stranger in Town* is his last great album, not *Night Moves.*

We weren’t in love, oh no, far from it
We weren’t searchin’ for some pie in the sky summit
We were just young and restless and bored
Livin’ by the sword
And we’d steal away every chance we could
To the backroom, to the alley or the trusty woods
I used her, she used me
But neither one cared
We were gettin’ our share

The chorus still annoys me. I don't like the phrase "Night Moves" -- it just sounds dumb. But I think maybe I'm hitting the age when I start to really like mid 70s super-steady-beat medium-light rock.

this is pretty much adult life summed up in a line.

uh, quite the opposite actually. as one who fits that description .. it makes it easy to LOVE it. Because we already knew how great Bob's early stuff wuz. tho it is fun to laugh at Soofjam lovin pitchdorks who discover Bob's early stuff and make an about-face.

Disappointed to learn that Alto Reed wasn't his real name.

lol same

I interviewed keyboardist Erik Deutsch once and when he told me he was married to one of Alto Reed's daughters, I demanded Bob Seger stories. (He didn't have anything really wild to share, just told me that yes, Bob Seger was at his wedding, and he was as awesome a guy as you would expect.)

Listening to Live Bullet on youtube today in memoriam. One of the records I sold pretty much as soon as punk hit, but I saw him around the time this was recorded and he was a rockin' great time. RIP Alto Reed.

I got a ton of nostalgia tied around the big 3 w/ Night Moves, Live Bullet and The Stranger. Where I grew up, Seger was the DUDE. I can remember being a kid that period in the late 70s early 80s and just knowing all those songs, they were just everywhere. At his peak, the Silver Bullet band could outsell live show tickets against anyone in Indianapolis, bigger even than Mellancamp at his peak. He sold out 3 nights at the Hoosier Dome on the Like a Rock tour to my memory, the Stones only did two. That's something like 160,000 tickets.

Live Bullet is awesome and that line on "Turn the Page" by Alto Reed is forever epic played day round on FM radio (RIP).

the tone on that Turn the Page line still gives me chills

I just watched a documentary on Muscle Shoals on Prime and fuck, does Mainstreet hit hard.

heh i have that doc in my watchlist but haven't checked it out yet. for the record, seger is an all-time balladeer.

Bob Seger’s Night Moves is an incredible song. It’s a Mid Western film noir RomCom in futile denial of the romance that it obviously ACHES for. Its proclaimed unsentimentality is ironically the source of its painful nostalgia. 10CC’s I’m Not In Love is its colder English Cousin.

— Vernon Reid (@vurnt22) April 17, 2022

He's not wrong.

otm

otm. inversely it helps explain why "summer of '69" is so cloying, at least to my ear

otm

I heard “Fire Down Below” for the first time in ages the other day. Had to crank it! Does it not get played much on classic rock radio anymore? This album rules, fuiud.

Have to admit it took me a long while for this guy to grow on me and I still don’t really like (not on this album) “Old Time Rock & Roll.”

Nostalgia for a web post yet to cOOOOOOOOooooooooommmmeee....

OTR&R is actually a great song imo, it’s just been beaten into Mustang Sally levels of tedium.

i dunno
it’s not that great compared to ~so much~ of his catalog prior to that

also my least favorite music subgenre is washed middleaged guys complaining about music

The worst thing that happened to OTR&R was Risky Business.

he had so many damn top 40 hits I don't know

“Old Time Rock ‘n’ Roll” is Seger’s 1980s “Ballad Of The Yellow Berets.” The tragic difference is that there was no 1980s “2+2=?”

Following up OTR&R by making "Fire Lake" the first single off your next album is a hell of a move.

At least it was "Old Time Rock & Roll" that got played to death, not the vastly superior "Rock & Roll Never Forgets."

Yes, that one is much better.

all the seger -- particularly betty lou's getting out tonight -- reminds me of good burgers at the landmark inn

it was an absolute dive owned by my classmate's dad and always shady as fuck. classmate, last i heard, was in prison -- but his younger brother was flying blimps over sporting events

anyway seger rules

my least favorite music subgenre is washed middleaged guys complaining about music

True, I need them to be filthy before they start their whining.

Mr. Seger if you're nasty

nostalgia often has little to do with the quality of the experiences, and a lot to do with our own shifts in feeling about ourselves. This is actually a pretty feckin wise point, and one that I don't think was ever made in song before "Night Moves."

I'd say this is the point of "People Take Pictures of Each Other" by the Kinks, written eight years earlier.

...and "Picture Book".

The worst thing that happened to OTR&R was Risky Business.

― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 April 2022 00:23 (three hours ago) link

idk, if you've ever seen the Stone Mountain laser show...

Woikin on a night move

Hardly renowned

Started hummin a song from nineteen sixty-two

It happens

Trusty woods

order of preference:

1. back room
2. trusty woods
3. alley

way up firm and high

1. young
2 restless
3 bored
4 livin by the sword

Pie-in-the-sky summit? Far from it.

i thought it was sonnet?

Woke last night to the sound of thunder

one of the few songs I know that make me swear I can smell the beer-soaked wood of a dive bar when I hear it (meant as a high compliment)

otm!

I was recently thinking about this song, in conjunction with Eddie Money's "Take Me Home Tonight", and how they both implicitly refer to "Be My Baby"; and about the phenomenon of songs that are kinda low-key referencing an earlier song without mentioning it - as opposed to songs that are *musically" straight-up borrowing from an earlier work, the way the Beach Boys ("Don't Worry Baby") or the Beatles ("What You're Doing" offered their own "Be My Baby" homages.

(And of course the Ronettes' song was in fact from *1963*, shame on you, Bob!)

About 25 or so years ago, when I was living somewhere else, one night we kept hearing the downstairs neighbor playing "Night Moves" on repeat. At some point we realized his back door was wide open, too, and the apartment was dark, so after some discussion with the other neighbors we called the police. They found him passed out with a bong, Seger still on repeat.

^^Alternate opening to You're Next

There is a tagger in the south side of my town putting up “trusty woods” and it gives me so much joy

One of my all time fave songs. JiC's neighbor - legend.

this thread gives me so much joy.

Never realized Josh at one time was neighbors with Matthew McCaughnahey.