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I have been right through Judas Priest and Motorhead. I have listened to the first two Venom albums. I like Venom. I have flirted with the mad Norwegians but never seem to like black metal as much as I want to. I think I just like the weird production.

Now I am craving very dark, simple, rhythmically intense, extremely rocking, yet atmospheric music. It can be demonic but need not be. It can be tonal or atonal but it must be very moody and very deep while somehow remaining breakneck and wild. I am no interested in racist lyrics, as I find these a turn-off even if I like the music. Help me, oh metal ones.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Just get Autopsy's Mental Funeral and forget you ever looked at anyone else.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, Øystein, haha, I'll check it out.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I'd say you're looking for:

Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark
Ajattara - Kuolema
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you Mr Christie.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ashame about the racism, man, graveland could be right up your alley.

umm, xasthur?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, well what's a Jew like me to do? God help me, I even have brown eyes.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe the first Fucking Champs record? Not strictly metal, but good and vaguely creepy/deep, I guess. Done under the name c4am95 for some reason

Mr Mime (Andrew Thames), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I will take all your suggestions down the local metal shop and line 'em up on the counter for a good listen.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 24 May 2004 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Wot about Ulver? Do you recommend Ulver?

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 24 May 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

feedtime

mullygrubber (gaz), Monday, 24 May 2004 08:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"rhythmically intense, extremely rocking"
Sepultura "Chaos AD", maybe?? obvious but still a good one. Just bought a new copy yesterday.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 24 May 2004 08:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd certainly recommend Ulver. And Arcturus while you're at it. Oh and Borknagar are pretty good too.

At the moment I'm also digging:

- The first Fleurety album that was recently re-released
- Sigh's "Imaginary Sonicscape"
- Negura Bunget

these are all fairly progressive albums mind you and not really one for trad-metal purists. I like this style a lot though and wish I could hear more as most of my friends have started listening to the "sheets of glass being dropped in a church" style of metal one associates with Burzum et al.

Music Mole, you ought to also check out some (and I mean just SOME) of the new wave of power-metal that's been coming out. Some track recommendations:

Rhapsody: Last Winged Unicorn
Rhapsody: Power of the Dragonflame
Nightwish: Wishmaster
Manowar: (anything by them really).

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 24 May 2004 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

SIR LORD BALTIMORE

duane, Monday, 24 May 2004 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"Sigh's "Imaginary Sonicscape""

GREAT record.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 24 May 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

You want Enslaved baby. Pick up some.

James

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Monday, 24 May 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Khanate, Pelican, High on Fire's "Surrounded by Thieves." Doom is your master!

ng, Monday, 24 May 2004 18:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Iced Earth, 'Burnt Offerings' (before they went all comic book/monster movie cheesefest)

Also, any recent Nevermore and Paradise Lost 'Draconian Times' (moody and rockin', though not breakneck)

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 24 May 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, yeah, that sigh album is a good starting point.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 24 May 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't forgotten about Sir Lord Baltimore duane! Haven't come across it yet, is all.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't heard Ulver's music at at, I was just very impressed by the skeptical, no-nonsense, realist perspective they provided in the book Lords of Chaos. Their perspective was detached and playful, with just a hint of disdain. It was just the tonic for all the mad cartoon/horror movie atavisms of some of the artists preceding it.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 24 May 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

ved buens ende!

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

CRADLE OF FILTH

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Mole, read my Ulver review, it goes into their history a bit:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0319/seward.php

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"We are proud of our former instincts, but wish to liken our association with said genre to that of the snake with Eve. An incentive to further frolic only. If this discourages you in any way, please have the courtesy to refrain from voicing superficial remarks regarding our music and/or personae. We are as unknown to you as we always were."

I just love their tone of intellectual superiority.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, OK, but they're clearly not as slamming as they used to be right?

the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

they are into the electronic stuff now. the remix album was great. merzbow, stars of the lid, etc. they save the metal for the side-projects.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

HYPOCRISY

specially 'The Final Chapter'

manuel (manuel), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 09:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Samael Ceremony Of Opposites

Things don't get more rocking than this, believe me.

Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

This is great, thanks everyone!

the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I might be completely mistaken, but is it fair to say that many former Norwegian black metallers are starting to experiment with electronic ambience and even electro?

the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

dominaktor perhaps

(Jon L), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I might be completely mistaken, but is it fair to say that many former Norwegian black metallers are starting to experiment with electronic ambience and even electro?

Well, they did for a while. Heck, Fenriz had a Tangerine Dream-like project in the mid-90s. I wouldn't say too many weegee metallers are experimental these days though. Seems to be more attempts at a) cyber-metal (with none of the heart of Voivod) and b) death metal, something Norway never really excelled at in the past.
Most of the elexperiments were in the late 90s.

Our metal scene is disappointingly tepid these days, to be honest.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

They have lost the fire! Betrayers of the true pagan culture! to mess outside of guitardrum is blasphem to the nightspirit! they're blood will be mine, will nourish the wolf-hunger in my veins.

If you desire the true essence of black metal the time has come for the new wave of pitch black metal, led by my band Byzantum. we are only only ones keeping the flames of blackness!

Vas Djifrens, Wednesday, 26 May 2004 09:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, that too, naturally. They've replaced the fire with super chargers! It's like they switched the videotape that they're all watching over and over from Willow to The Matrix (though in Poland they're still mainly sticking with Romper Stomper)

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 09:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Vas Djifrens, tell me that is your real name?!

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

You must check out Niroth, for they are grim and necro.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I might be completely mistaken, but is it fair to say that many former Norwegian black metallers are starting to experiment with electronic ambience and even electro?

This goes back as far as 1987, when Mayhem got Klaus Schulze to do the intro for their Deathcrush demo. Arguably much of the idea behind early 90s Nordic BM (Burzum/Darkthrone/Mayhem/Ildjarn et al) was to achieve the effects of ambient drones through metal - endless repetition, focus on continuously flowing distortion textures rather than distinct staccato powerchord riffing, washed out fuzzy reverbed sound, etc.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, I think Janne Karlsson has met his match with Vas.

OK since I last posted I got hold of Ulver's Nattens Madrigal and (at the suggestion of my friendly record store metalhead) Darkthrone's 'Transilvaian Hunger'. Extremely f***ing impressed by both records, I am. Creative dirty production aaaah there's nothing like it.

The guy in the store told me that Darkthrone's main man listened mainly to techno and electronic music these days. That's interesting, cos I do techno but increasingly only listen to metal these days.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 27 May 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"endless repetition, focus on continuously flowing distortion textures rather than distinct staccato powerchord riffing, washed out fuzzy reverbed sound, etc"

That seems to apply to both the above records, especially Darkthrone's one. Hence a mood, and ambience, in spite of the furious pace.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 27 May 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

The leader of the amazing early '90s Finnish band Beherit is now a full-on techno DJ.

Osmose just reissued Antaeus' expressively bleak CUT YOUR FLESH AND WORSHIP SATAN -- it's easily the peer of Nattens Madrigal and Transilvanian Hunger, so cut cut cut.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:04 (twenty-one years ago)

The guy in the store told me that Darkthrone's main man listened mainly to techno and electronic music these days.

if he was referring to Fenriz, i doubt it. maybe he went through a phase in the mid 90's when he was doing the whole Neptune Towers trip, but nowadays he comes across more as thrash metal purist than anything else.

tod (tod), Thursday, 27 May 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

One of my favorite things about Euro is that he turned everyone onto the Residents. Yes, of course Fenriz is into that stuff.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

From this recent interview:

E: Right, I will try to find it! So, what's your current playlist, then?

[..]

F: Oh, it's so much, man...Let's see: DJ ASSAULT from Detroit, DJ SNEAK, always... Bruce Springsteen from the 70's, I think we can do with, let's say, NIFELHEIM too, their latest album, and maybe number five, what shall I say? ORCUSTUS from Norway.

Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, the guy even has a Ritchie Hawtin tattoo, how the hell is he NOT into techno?

Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 27 May 2004 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Cut Your Flesh And Worship Satan is a fantastic record. Glad to hear it's back in print.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 27 May 2004 13:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not saying that he isn't into techno, Siegbran, only that i doubt this is the kind of music he mainly listens to. but maybe it is. it's not like i know the guy or anything. it seems pretty clear to me, though, that he's at least a part time metal head.

tod (tod), Thursday, 27 May 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

from this interview with fenriz:

[...] I started getting into techno in ‘92, all that Chicago house stuff. Then I thought, “this is gonna be huge.” After three years, I was still into it. I thought, “ok, I’m not gonna ruin this magic as well.” I learned just how to work the turntables

Maelstrom: So what are you talking about, then? Tell us about stuff you really like. There is some good techno out there. I don’t know if it’s correct to consider Aphex Twin techno, or if it’s really good, but I think it is.

Fenriz: Yeah, well, you have to call them techno, but he’s really left field, what we call that style. I listen to fifteen of the sub-genres of what we’ll call techno, but that also includes house. When I DJ, I play between 20-25 styles.

Maelstrom: So who are the coolest artists?

Fenriz: That’s too many to mention. I’ve been listening to it for 11 years. But I’ve got a Plastic Man tattoo - Richie Halton. Everyone should know who that guy is.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Strapping Young Lad: City -- very breakneck but not deep
Isis: Celestial -- very deep but not breakneck

Josh Davis (josh_anomaly), Thursday, 27 May 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Cut Your Flesh And Worship Satan is a fantastic record. Glad to hear it's back in print.

I'm surprised it's been out of print. It's not like it's old at all.
It's also incredibly boring and generic. Come on, this is basically on level with listening to Dark Funeral and Marduk!

What? Snob? O no!

Metal tip of the day: Download the damned Anacrusis discography.
Particularly Manic Impressions and Screams And Whispers. The latter is just about my favorite pop metal type thing! Hooray!
Their debut's a pretty great thrash metal thingymajig too.
You can get 'em here!

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

great links by the way, thanks el sabor & siegbran.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

It's also incredibly boring and generic.

thank you! i thought i was alone, oystein, until i met you.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a great interview with Fenriz, that second one, but this bit made me laugh:

E: Yeah, it's nice to know that you can kind of always rely on DARKTHRONE to, you know, well...

F: Well, you know, I hope so

the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 28 May 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

It's also incredibly boring and generic. Come on, this is basically on level with listening to Dark Funeral and Marduk!

No, I think that CYFAWS is more than those - it is far less controlled and more rabidly insane than those two (rather meticulous/clinical) bands. And although I am no fan of the generic Swedish sound and Dark Funeral is of course massively overrated, Marduk does have a big asset in Morgans guitar playing which is way less one-dimensional than it appears to be.

Although it's a good thing that Cut Your Flesh And Worship Satan has been rereleased, I already have that - the one I've been after for the past four years is their Rekordin 2000-1 MCD, which annoyingly went out of print almost as soon as it was released. Bastards.

Siegbran (eofor), Saturday, 29 May 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to confess I do love the massively over controlled, meticulous, clinical sound, especially in a mad/bizarre context. What that says about my psyche, I dare not guess. Perhaps it's from listening to so much techno.

By the way, Ulver are clearly from another planet.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 29 May 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I really liked the last Ulver e.p. I like almost everything they have done. I like Marduk! I like the new dvd too. I even like the Misfits/Samhain tribute band that the dudes from Marduk have: The Devil's Whorehouse.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 29 May 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

can i just use this opportunity to say that diamatregon rule? thank you.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Sunday, 30 May 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
If youre still hunting good metal, try these:

Weakling - Dead as Dreams
Fleurety - Min tid skall komme
any Negura Bunget
Ulver - Bergtatt
Death - Human
Carcass - Necroticism
Bolt Thrower - The IVth Crusade

NecroBastard (NecroBastard), Saturday, 14 August 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks Necro, yes I am. I am getting into Ulver right now actually - via Nattens Madrigal. Someone else also told me Bergtatt was worth investigating. Also, I have heard good things about Weakling and Fleurety. So thanks, I am spurred on by your list!

the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 14 August 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

your website's now down, Necro?

the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 14 August 2004 09:47 (twenty-one years ago)

bergtatt is great, though about as far as you can get from "nattens madrigal" and still be black metal. lots of folky touches, overdubbed choral vocals and better production.

and necro's right, weakling weakling weakling. absolutely, along with leviathan and ludicra, some of the best american metal right now.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 14 August 2004 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

OK so many people have said Weakling to me. Must be good.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 14 August 2004 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

In addition to Human, you've got to get Death's Individual Thought Patterns.

Also, though they're not out until the 31st, the new Lamb of God and Mastodon albums (Ashes Of The Wake and Leviathan, respectively) are amazing.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 14 August 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I appear to be one of the few people out there who really likes Attila Czihar's voice. Which Aborym to start with?

the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 14 August 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is so cool, I have actually walked into record shops with a printout of it, highlighting all the band names. What a dweeb.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 14 August 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Aborym's Fire Walk With Us! has some cool techno/electro touches on it. You might dig it.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 14 August 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I got the Weakling album due to the fact it features a member of The Fucking Champs. It's not the kind of music i usually like but i found this album listenable, infact I've played it quite a few times.
So i'd say thats a sort of recommendation.

Rock Bastard, Saturday, 14 August 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
There's an interview with Weakling's John Gossard in the new issue of Maelstrom ezine:

http://www.maelstrom.nu/ezine/complete_iss25.htm?osCsid=6a59b9a54f1cdffe917db7a72226a7bd

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 2 September 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Now I'm listening to Beherit's 'Drawing Down the Moo'n (and also still Aborym's 'With No Human Intervention'). Still on the lookout for Antaeus.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 1 November 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

what do you think about the beherit?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 1 November 2004 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm glad you asked me, el sabor, because I just heard it on the phones on the way home.

Well - I loved it very much. I found it very easy to assimilate from a techno headspace - some of the instrumental bits reminded me of Underground Resistance (!!). The music was lo-fi but beautifully produced, never a foot wrong. I was slightly dissapointed that it was easy for me to grasp. I was hoping for more of a grapple - Aborym is a nice grapple. I think Beherit's album is a classic of the genre, becuase it has that stamp of authority, especially in the vocals, and that sound that everyone is aspiring to in this style, the sound they call 'evil and necro' - it definitely has that, and it's hard to achieve, so - hails, haha.

Incidentally, I don't believe the satanism - I'm yet to find any black metal where the satanism is really felt as a way of life. Perhaps it's an impossible task, but I don't mind at all, that's not really what I like - I like the sheer creative intensity of it, and feel the same about, say, Jandek or Brian Wilson. So it's camp and moody, and agreeably saturnine, making a lot out of very little, really it's hard not be impressed.

I am not surprised in the least to read today that one of the main Beherit guys (you may know more than me) is now a techno DJ. Totally unsurprising, just as with the Darkthrone dudes. You can tell that they have that sensibility from the music - and Aborym don't, incidentally. They could never write techno, because it's a subtle sonic shift from the industrial thing they do, but one that requires an eye for obsession with simplicity and detail revealed via repetition.

I just completed a techno/black metal thing for a USA label, and sent it 2 weeks ago. Their eloquent silence is reinforced by this record - to get that sound they call 'grim and necro' is no small feat, and my record definitely failed. This record definitely succeeds Back to the drawing board. Or ont o something more suited to my perspective, perhaps.

What do you think of 'Drawing Down the Moon' el sabor?

the music mole (colin s barrow), Monday, 1 November 2004 08:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, for a very low fi production 'Drawing Down' comes over very nicely on the speakers, a really moody, open and vivid sound with a nice texture, not smooth but very clear.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"drawing down the moon" is definitely the template for one of my favorite strains of black metal. it's interesting to listen to it in comparison to "the oath of black blood," which in essence sounds like early carcass and blasphemy smeared together especially in the vocals and almost random song structure. as for the 'necro' sound, it was probably first codified on these albums and darkthrone's black metal albums...

i find the production on DDTM really odd spatially, kind of close with reverb and delay used in odd and sparing ways. the vocal production is surprisingly detailed at times. i hated the album when when it came out because it was so disorienting and the production seemed haphazard, but these days it strikes me as something that must've been intended.

i'm really looking forward to listening to it on quality hallucinogens.

apparently nuclear holocausto not only djed techno but released an album as gamma-g:

Around the same time Beherit started to release ambient albums, Nuclear Holocausto, who had lost his interest in metal, worked as a techno DJ using the name Gamma-G. He even released one compilation called (G)raveyard 2001 - The Ultimate Hardrave Massacre. (from metal-archives.com's beherit page)

i'm very interested in hearing that one.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

and
You can tell that they have that sensibility from the music - and Aborym don't, incidentally. They could never write techno, because it's a subtle sonic shift from the industrial thing they do, but one that requires an eye for obsession with simplicity and detail revealed via repetition.

totally OTM! and i like aborym.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, DDTM is deeply psychedelic, and would surely come over very well in a, well, shall we say, a shamanistic setting. You know what - I'd like to make love to this album.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I have heard from Janne you are making love like ritual Mole.

Sami Jheryllkanyga, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Sami, if you ever meet a woman, you should really try making love to black metal, it's unbelievable.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 4 November 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, so are you the same Music Mole that was on John Saffran's Musical Jamboree?

mentalist (mentalist), Thursday, 4 November 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

no, I was nicknamed The Music Mole by Trayce because I was so suspicious of music industry shenanigans in previous posts. I liked the nickname so much I took it on.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 4 November 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not fathoming why we had not shared the details of these things at earliest encounters. Perhaps we are both terrified of the powerful judgement of Gavin the Merciless.

Sami Jheryylkanyga, Thursday, 4 November 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

O Dear that last post should perhaps have been on the SPK or Foetus threads

Sami Jheryylkanyga, Thursday, 4 November 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Sami, if you ever meet a woman, you should really try making love to black metal, it's unbelievable.
-- the music mole (colinsbarrowREMOV...), November 4th, 2004.

also, cleaning house, watering plant (well in my case feed flies and blood to death plant), and hunting for food just to beginn to start with. black metal is not just music it is lifestyle!

black metal also get bloodstains off weapons, it is quite ingenious the ways it can be applied. i tend to leave blood of enemies on though. power is gained through their slaughter.

Vas Djifrens (latebloomer), Thursday, 4 November 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)


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