― Stupid (Stupid), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago)
― andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago)
― Stupid (Stupid), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:45 (twenty years ago)
― el Huckle-huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:47 (twenty years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:48 (twenty years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:48 (twenty years ago)
― Stupid (Stupid), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:49 (twenty years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:50 (twenty years ago)
― Stupid (Stupid), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:51 (twenty years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:52 (twenty years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:53 (twenty years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:55 (twenty years ago)
― el Huckle-huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:56 (twenty years ago)
the quality of an occourance being so unexpected or ill-timed, it seems to be deliberately perverse.
― kevin brady (groeuvre), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago)
Plus I think English is her second language - maybe "ironic" was an imperfect match for some French term that has no exact English equivalent.
Or maybe she IS just an idiot, who knows or cares?
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:34 (twenty years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago)
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago)
― el Huckle-huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:58 (twenty years ago)
God the 90s were awful.
― Unknown User, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago)
― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:05 (twenty years ago)
― bert (bert), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:06 (twenty years ago)
To be fair, "A bit shabby" wouldn't make a good title for the song.
― Keith Watson (kmw), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:10 (twenty years ago)
― Keith Watson (kmw), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 19:11 (twenty years ago)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago)
― hstenciI (Joseph Larkin), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:22 (twenty years ago)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:22 (twenty years ago)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:24 (twenty years ago)
The Mr Play It Safe one might work b/c I think you're supposed to expect that his fears would be shown to be groundless. And also because he takes the disaster in stride ("Isn't this nice?") even though he'd been deathly afraid of it all his life. Unless he was using verbal irony.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:29 (twenty years ago)
(note, you might want to hit crtl+A or something else smart when you get to that page as it's in white writing on a white background)
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 20:56 (twenty years ago)
― Dorian Lynskey, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 11:52 (twenty years ago)
― Unknown User, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 12:03 (twenty years ago)
― John 2, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 12:06 (twenty years ago)
― slb, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 12:10 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago)
― tomp (tomp), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 17:36 (twenty years ago)
― don (don), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago)
Furthermore I think Byrne's routine only ever worked based on the same vague idiotic buzzwave that the sale of the concept of irony rode for Alanis. The man's a twat.
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:12 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago)
― David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:36 (twenty years ago)
on this basis many things in this song are, indeed, ironic - maybe it's you who doesn't know what Irony is?
horrible song though, of course.
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:50 (twenty years ago)
― Richard K, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 19:42 (twenty years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:00 (twenty years ago)
Doesn't this make the word ironic pretty meaningless? And you a bit of a knob?
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:35 (twenty years ago)
people stopped doing this in the 90's? gimme a fuckin' break. and a kit kat bar please.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:45 (twenty years ago)
― David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 3 June 2004 02:16 (twenty years ago)
― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Thursday, 3 June 2004 02:30 (twenty years ago)
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Thursday, 3 June 2004 02:44 (twenty years ago)
I think the song wavers between good examples of irony and weak ones - a traffic jam when you're already late, for example, is rather commonplace and not-particularly-surprising. But I suspect this was more a case Alanis grasping for examples that would fit her rhyming pattern than her actually totally missing the point.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 3 June 2004 03:11 (twenty years ago)
-- Dorian Lynskey (doria...), June 2nd, 2004."
I'm sure her definition of irony is perfectly cromulant.
― Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 3 June 2004 04:10 (twenty years ago)
― Pack Yr Romantic Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 3 June 2004 04:22 (twenty years ago)
It might be ok if you're not hearing his horrible whiny voice in your head while reading it
― Joe Kay (feethurt), Thursday, 3 June 2004 07:15 (twenty years ago)