best techno album of all time!

Assuming the former: _Grooverider Presents Hardstep Collection 2_

Assuming the latter, Warp Records' _Pioneers Of The Hypnotic Groove_

As for artist based, I'd pick Orbital's _In Sides_, but of course artists albums are hardly the point are they.

best album: as if anyone could even pretend it's not trans-europe express. come on.

best comp: i couldn't name one, but a warp comp would be nice. as long as there's no fake jazz on it.

LFO - Frequencies Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works 85-92 Jeff Mills - Waveform Transmissions The Orb - Orb's Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld Omni Trio - The Deepest Cut Monolake - Hong Kong The Chemical Brothers - Dig Your Own Hole The Prodigy - Experience 4 Hero - Parallel Universe Romanthony - Romanworld Daft Punk - S/T A Guy Called Gerald - Black Secret Technology Black Dog - Spanners Boards Of Canada - Music Has The Right To Children Basement Jaxx - Remedy Dom & Roland - Industry Layo & Bushwacka - Low Life Carl Craig - Landcruising Nightmares On Wax - A Word Of Science

Future Sound Of London - Accelerator, Ken Ishii - Jelly Tones, Dave Angel - Classics, Carl Cox - At The End Of The Cliche, Underworld - Dubnobasswithmyheadman, Leftfield - Leftism, Derrick May - Innovator, The Shamen - Axis Mutatis (say what you want, rave music doesn't get any better), and Vapourspace - Sweep.

Getting away from techno a little, my other faves would be Juno Reactor - Beyond The Infinite (fucking brilliant album!), and the Dream Creation: Sound Of Freedom comp (for anyone who hates Goa, I dare you to listen to track three and not call it genious).

You can cut down most techo albums to a couple of decent 12" singles without much effort. Though I feel you can probably do this with an awful lot of albums anyway.

I think the album thing maybe slips on techno because I buy vinyl. And album of any normal kind will involve flipping it over once - a techo album being quite often spanning three slabs of vinyl. I guess it kind of loses the context of being an album to me anyway for that reason.

I think I am just in a bit of a grumpy mood with music as a whole today. Can't think exactly why.

other great ones (all in the top 20, IMHO): Plastikman -- Closer, Basic Channel comp., Surgeon -- Body Request, Speedy J -- A Shocking Hobby, Gas -- Koenigsforst, Fluxion -- Vibrant Forms II, Autechre -- Chiastic Slide, LFO -- Advance

Also, thread necromancy, yikes.

Earthlings, I will not be troubled by your pointless headlines and silly love stories, I will not be moved by your trite summaries of miracles, I will not sully my consciousness with ruminations on the fate of the ozone layer or the impossible questions of justice. I will not be fooled by advertising, I will not be distracted by politics, and I will not weep into a bottled beer over some smile I'll never see again.

What I will do is think about what it would be like to be a flawless being from the future where none of this shit matters anymore because the beats are so perfect and unstoppable and people and machines are a seamless fusion in constant motion as far as the eye can see and even the sirens on the ambulances play the refrain from "The Climax."

Then I will take my headphones off because someone is talking at me and everything will suck again. Just for a little while.

LFO - Sheath (surprisingly good even though it was largely ignored)
Model 500 - Deep Space
David Holmes - This Film's Crap
Sabres - Sabresonic

I still have the T-shirt somewhere too.

what i would really like is if the Belleville Three had their own site with a Paypal account and you can just like give them loads of money and stuff.

It's that terminal point of greatness where you can actually feel a peak, like you wish to god there could be 30 more albums like it but you also realize that there is no way an album could be similar enough to it and still be itself instead of just a pale imitation. Dr. Eich is the fucking monolith of techno.

Innovator is a collection of total garbage filler and about 3 tracks which may or may not sound great played over the right sound system in the right frame of mind at the right hour of the evening with the right group of people. Spread over 2 discs. Like imagine if you took "AP American Dance Music" in high school and your teacher gave you a summer listening list, this would be the 313 album on it.

-- TOMBOT

TOMBOT in ridiculous high-school analogy (aka juvenile mindset giveaway) shocker

I guess there are lots of little "filler" bits there, but I just think the whole thing flows extremely well for a collection that wasn't originally released as a proper album.

Whatever, you're obv entitled to your own opinion. I just think it's a great collection and a personal favorite that IMHO more people should hear, so I tend to be a little protective when it's bashed or dismissed.

they need to put out a one-disc appendix with the chopped-up tracks restored or something.

secret tapes... is amazing, in my mind though it's narrowly beat out by sound of music (as 69) and 69 jazzfunkclassics and also the psyche/bfc compilation. which doesn't really count as an album (like the infiniti collection and mills' liquid room mix)

good call on advance!! if we are talking other sui generis techno albums i'd have to bring up urban tribe's collapse of modern culture and as one's planetary folklore but the first is really more of a downtempo album and the second is, um, "fake jazz" as ethan put it...

anybody know what that one's called?? it's "the beginning", right? anyway, that song kicks my ass.

1 The Dance
2 Strings Of Life
3 Beyond The Dance
4 Sinister
5 Wiggin
6 Nude Photo
7 Spaced Out
8 Free Style
9 Salsa Life
10 Nude Photo 88
11 Emanon
12 The Beginning

Also, Stevem, I guess it's not really a squelch, but there's a total salsa thing going on it that track, I'd have to point out the part in person probably.

hahaha

this one is easy:
robert hood- internal empire
cristian vogel -absolute time
honorable mention: patrick pulsinger- porno

want to mention CJ Bolland but the only album of his i owned was 'The Analogue Theatre' which was pretty good in parts but i suspect 'Electronic Highway' and 'The 4th Sign' edge it

but you are still my hero for bringing it up, duke.

whatever. You get a quick taste of all the outtakes, and enough of the goodies to get a pretty good idea of what Derrick May's music was about. Yeah, it would be cool to have some other stuff on there like his lost relic remixes from back in the day or rare outtakes, cry me a river. Derrick May could breath his personality into those boxes and make a truly idiosyncratic sound. He could program patches like a motherfucker, he knew when to splice an edit in there and when to let things track out, the way he could throw four drum machines together to create a Mayday meta-feel using the timing and swing quirks of each particular machine. It is scary that a kid so young could throw so much out into the world, that he had that much to say. Bottom line, give DM a 909, a DX100 and a 4-track and he could punk 95% of the supposed all time great techno auteurs on this thread.

And the best techno comp of all time is Virtual Sex on Buzz Record from 1993.

yrs truly,
your friendly neighborhood disco nihilist

Like anything else, as somebody with a greater knowledge you can say that there were things that you felt should have played out longer, and there are things that should have just been cut. Maybe Innovator should have 3cd's instead of two... at the end of the day you still have a pretty decent understanding of what he was about and what his music sounded like. Would you prefer that you have to buy his music as a bunch of scattered 12" and comp tracks that are either completely OOP, or just OOP 75% of the time?

He made some good decisions and some bad ones. He has had to live with those tracks for at least 12 years, and in his head those tracks probably mean something completely different. It isn't just sound to him; who was he working with? what apartment bedroom was it recorded in? What girlfriend did he have at the time? I don't know, I am not Derrick May and I have talked to the guy about three times in my life, but he did what he could.

I remember what it was like before Innovator came out, before slsk, before you could ebay rare belgian comp cd's or 12"s, when you could only get a hold of a few transmat 12"s and those were always the shitty ones (xray/bangtheparty) because the represses were always sent straight to Watts and then to Europe. All you knew was that he supposedly invented techno and you had a copy of Nude Photo and Strings and some press clippings. Maybe that is why I do not complain about it, because I remember what it was like before that comp came out. Before that all you could get was relics or retro techno, or maybe techno 1&2, and those were impossible to find before the internet and/or file sharing. those were RELICS

Substance, Session Elements

http://www.discogs.com/release/81888

i bought it in high school. not a terrible album by any means, but kind of like they had one good idea and tried to make a whole album out of it.

Can we also thow Model 500 Classics on there. Also Ricardo Villalobos Alchoafoa. I would suggest that Polygon Window Surfing on Sine waves is also pretty good.

Innovator was not that impressive to me. It was great to have all those tracks in one place but in the end I like Juan Atkins better. Maurizio M7 is also awesome.

I don't think anyone who calls anything by Future frickin' Sound of London the second best techno record of all time can really be trusted on this matter.

HOLLA AT MIKE JONES: 281-330-8004

also, i have fond memories of the first two tresor/novamute comps

My new digits: 310-820-5313

sorry for the cross posts everyone

I just would like to point out that there in fact 4 ideas on the T99 album and all of them are fantastic (although "Nocturne" doesn't work as well as it should)

Denki Groove - VOXXX

Drexciya - Neptune's Lair