Pitchfork: "Will a sassy, hip Web site spell doom for printed rock criticism?"

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It turns out the funniest Onion-esque fake news story penned so far this year did not spring from The Onion. No, Sub Pop Records -- a concern not ordinarily known for its forays into satire and comedy writing -- deserves full credit for "Pitchfork Staff Member Says 'Hi' to Real-Life Woman."

"This marks the first time a member of the Pitchfork staff has made direct verbal contact with someone of the opposite sex," the blurb announces. "Normally content with sitting in his mother's basement eating Cheetos and watching bootlegged Jawbreaker videos, Andy somehow got the courage to speak openly to a girl at last Friday's show."

What Andy said, in case you're wondering, is "Hi."

As wise old sage "Weird Al" Yankovic has taught us, mockery is the sincerest form of flattery. Thus the apparently socially stultified rock-crit geeks at Pitchforkmedia.com, the wildly popular indie-centric news-and-reviews Internet portal of evil, should be delighted indeed that Sub Pop found the site remarkable and prominent enough to launch so elaborate a parody. The send-up, at SubPop.com/features/pdork, is stunning in its attention to detail, copying Pitchfork's layout exactly as it lampoons the news section's hipster elitism (headline: "Indie cred flawlessly maintained. Personal credit history, not so much") and the elaborate 0.0 to 10.0 CD-rating system ("1.0-1.9: I got kicked out of a band that sounded like this").

Climactically, the joke headline to a hypothetical review of the Rapture's Echoes is "Dance Music is the new ska."

"That was so flattering," raves Pitchfork mastermind Ryan Schreiber over the phone from Chicago, where the site is based. "It was unbelievable that Sub Pop, this label -- I mean, they were huge before we had even been conceived. They were a label that I followed for years and years before even considering starting this Web site. For them to be able to do a parody of our site, and have people even know what they're talking about, it was really cool. It was the coolest thing in the world."

In fact, the comedy site SomethingAwful.com followed up with its own elaborate Pitchfork spoof a couple of months later, though it was far meaner (and lamer) than Sub Pop's. For discerning music geeks, Pitchfork has indeed morphed into the Holy Grail since Schreiber and a buddy started it in his bedroom at his parents' Minneapolis house in 1995 -- he says the site now reaches an average of 90,000 readers a day. Why? As every major music magazine's CD review section has devolved into a graveyard of 100-word blurbs offering no room for creativity, personality or, more to the point, relevant criticism, Pitchfork has exploded outward, with 500-word reviews that read like essays, short stories, diary entries and/or harebrained literary experiments.

Writing style? Flowery, ambitious, decidedly postgraduate. Knowledge base? Hugely intimidating; these people seem to know everything about everything before anyone else knows anything. Opinions? Brash, outspoken, occasionally very bitchy. Sonic Youth's NYC Ghosts & Flowers and Liz Phair's reviled last record both share the distinction of a Pitchfork-awarded 0.0 review: "Breaks new ground for terrible."

"What do you want, a closing paragraph? Something to wrap it all up, tie everything together?" demands the tail end of the Pitchfork review for the Anniversary's actually quite excellent album Your Majesty. "Fuck you. Don't buy this."

"I feel like honesty is so important in a record review," Schreiber says. "You can't worry about what the artist is gonna think, what the label's gonna think -- 'Oh, are we gonna get cut from their promo list?' To me it's completely irrelevant. The first thing that any editor should be concerned about is integrity. If you're just reining it in to try and save one person, what's the point? It's criticism. It's criticism! Who responds well to criticism?"

"If you read almost any other music magazine, three out of five is terrible in a lot of magazines," adds Eric Carr, a Pitchfork writer who, as the advertising director, is Schreiber's only consistent full-time employee. "To see something less than three stars out of five is unusual, or it's a really safe bet for the magazine -- they're panning something that no one in their audience would be expected to like. It's safe for them. Pitchfork, we go out on a limb with stuff."

All right. Let's stop drinking the Kool-Aid for a second.

Pitchfork's bile is remarkable, but its enormous literary aspirations truly set it apart, and set the site's adorers and abhorrers apart as well. In attempting to avoid the colorless-blurb graveyard, a Pitchfork review can swing the pendulum too far in the other direction: a dense, hugely overwritten, utterly incomprehensible brick of critical fruitcake. "I've read this damn review three times," the befuddled reader says aloud, "and I still don't know what it says."

"I say that sometimes," Carr admits. "Occasionally we've written something that even I'm like, 'I can't believe someone wanted to write this.' But I mean, I think that's the allure of Pitchfork for people -- chances are you're going to see something that someone's put a lot of thought into, where they haven't just rattled off a paragraph: 'This album sounds like this, buy it if you like bands X, Y and Z.' "

In Pitchfork's case, avoiding such drudgery is as important for the author as for the audience. "Writing about music is not very interesting to me," admits infamous staff writer Brent DiCrescenzo, another Chicagoan, though the site's scribes are scattered across the nation. "You find yourself having to write the same things over and over and over again. When a record's really good, it's easy to find things to say; when it's really bad, it's easy to find things to say; but when it's just right there in the middle, that's when you sort of have to amuse yourself."

DiCrescenzo is infamous precisely for the lengths to which he'll go in the pursuit of self-amusement. He specializes in absurdist reviews with bizarre characters -- Diapers the lab monkey (in a Spacehog review), Volodrag the Yugoslavian sycophant (Jimmy Eat World), interpretive dancer Miquel Santa Schulz (Charlatans UK) -- and the outlandish situations he concocts for them. He is particularly proud of his 0.8 review of Metallica's St. Anger, which takes place entirely in some sort of Israeli sweatshop/ internment camp. Needless to say, some people hate this. Bloggers and fan message boards routinely rip him for being mean-spirited when he isn't incomprehensibly weird -- plus, he never even said if he liked it! Doesn't anyone know how to write a straightforward review anymore?

"People always say to me, 'Talk about the music,' " DiCrescenzo says. "But in my mind, that's sort of exactly what I'm doing. Everything I write, as esoteric as it may seem, comes from a direct response of how the music sounds to me, or makes me think, or what mood it evokes."

He certainly isn't jockeying for a Rolling Stone job -- he goes on to plug some sort of movie project he has coming out (you'll read all about it on Pitchfork soon). In fact, that's perhaps the site's oddest element: Though a few writers have dabbled in more traditional outlets like Magnet and Spin (pubs the site's brain trust doesn't unequivocally hate, though they largely prefer British mags such as Mojo), a good many of Pitchfork's stable of 20-odd staff writers and contributors have no prior rock-crit experience or interest in making a career out of this. Carr, for example, delivered the definitive review of the recent punk rock boxed set No Thanks!, but the review did not require the services of his electrical engineering degree.

The wide-eyed idealist view of all this: The Internet, with its universal reach and anyone-can-start-a-blog accessibility, will eventually render dinosaur print mags obsolete. "Rolling Stone is already obsolete in terms of music criticism," Schreiber says. "As far as the Internet being revolutionary, sort of a next wave? You know what? I think it is. In a way it's similar to the punk revolution in the '70s -- 'Oh, I don't need to know how to play an instrument; I don't need to sign with a major label to make the music or express myself.' The Internet has basically allowed the same thing. You don't have to go through four years of an English program at Columbia to get your opinion out and get your voice heard. And I think it's breeding a lot of people who are inherently talented, sort of naturals at it."

For now, Schreiber is just trying to keep Pitchfork from breaking up in the atmosphere as it ascends. He talks a lot about editing for "clarity" to curtail the whole what-the-hell-are-you-talking-about phenomenon, and he revels in the power the site occasionally wields in terms of breaking largely unknown artists: His glowing review last year of Canadian art-rock collective Broken Social Scene's You Forgot It in People was a turning point in that band's Big Moment.

"The night before we ran the record review, they had played a show to, like, 200 people," he recalls. "And the next night, and the night after that, and the night after that, and the night after that, their shows sold out continuously. That was amazing to me."

Again, this is a lotta Kool-Aid. Chris Jacobs, Sub Pop's marketing director and unofficial ringleader of the Popdork parody (various label worker bees pitched in), is hesitant to grant Pitchfork any mythical cultural powers. "The 'new music criticism establishment' just sounds terribly staid and dull to me," he writes in an e-mail. "Do people pay attention to Pitchfork? Yeah, I think so, absolutely. I'm not a big fan of any sweeping statements about online publications taking over or anything like that. I mean, even Pitchfork just put out a book, right?" (Thesaurus Musicarum, a print-form bells-and-whistles anthology of Pitchfork's best 2003 work.) "Rumors of the death of print are greatly exaggerated."

And yet, when Jacobs and his Sub Pop compatriots started passing around a "Dean's List" of rock dos and don'ts -- "Happy Cry Funny Gift is not an album title. You will be mentally filed under Suck Lame Do Not Buy Beat Up" -- and wanted to share it with the public, spoofing Pitchfork seemed the most logical way to go about it. The site represents this mentality now: (sometimes too) smart, (sometimes not that) funny, (sometimes bombastically) opinionated, (always unfailingly) hip.

Plus, Jacobs admits that one day another Pitchfork staffer may make an overture to the opposite sex. "No one is beyond help," he counsels. "With the proper nutritional supplements, careful (and consistent!) hygiene, strenuous exercise, and a cursory familiarity with spoken English, almost anyone can say 'Hello' to just about anyone they choose. Failing that, generous intake of alcohol or illicit substances seems to do the trick."

http://www.houstonpress.com/issues/2004-06-03/music.html

mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 4 June 2004 04:19 (twenty years ago) link

and someday, those web writers will write for the real press!

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Friday, 4 June 2004 04:31 (twenty years ago) link

Haha.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 June 2004 04:32 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway, WE'RE the sassy hip Website and we control everything.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 June 2004 04:32 (twenty years ago) link

Did anyone else notice an editor's gentle hand in there, reining the writer's gushing adoration of the pfork?

Huk-L, Friday, 4 June 2004 04:46 (twenty years ago) link

"kool-aid"

djdee2005, Friday, 4 June 2004 05:53 (twenty years ago) link

lol pitchdork, lol omg

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 4 June 2004 06:11 (twenty years ago) link

i read the sub pop page and i found it quite amusing: indie guys are the same everywhere, its almost scary to think about it! long live lord mort and the likes.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Friday, 4 June 2004 09:12 (twenty years ago) link

"indie guys are the same everywhere, its almost scary to think about it!"

feel frightened, very frightened:

http://www.laserbeast.com/photos/lupos/luposcrowd.jpg

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 4 June 2004 10:11 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, some of them smell better than others.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 4 June 2004 10:15 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think there's a single woman in that picture at all (except MAYBE in the center-left -- the one with the burnt sienna highlights)!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 4 June 2004 10:17 (twenty years ago) link

I liked how this clueless writer thinks that Anniversary album is good.

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 4 June 2004 10:32 (twenty years ago) link

You don't have to go through four years of an English program at Columbia to get your opinion out and get your voice heard.

that sound you hear is me killing myself with a rusty-ass fork

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 4 June 2004 10:32 (twenty years ago) link

"I don't know about art, but I know what I like"

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 4 June 2004 10:33 (twenty years ago) link

subpop in pot kettle dichotomy shocker

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 4 June 2004 10:42 (twenty years ago) link

At least two current Pitchfork writers have been through the writing program at Columbia but whatever.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:06 (twenty years ago) link

i own many sub pop records, many of them good

the surface noise for the sake of noise (electricsound), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:08 (twenty years ago) link

actually one of them is a mountain goats one. lucky bastard, i always wanted to be on a singles club 45

the surface noise for the sake of noise (electricsound), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:09 (twenty years ago) link

"but whatever."

Yeah,...
WHATEVER.

Fr4ncis W4tlington (Francis Watlington), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:19 (twenty years ago) link

No article about a Web site is complete without ominous prattling on the death of print -- and a later tender reversal about said demise:

"The Internet, with its universal reach and anyone-can-start-a-blog accessibility, will eventually render dinosaur print mags obsolete"

"'Rolling Stone is already obsolete in terms of music criticism,' Schreiber says. 'As far as the Internet being revolutionary, sort of a next wave? You know what? I think it is.'"

coupla grafs later ...

"I'm not a big fan of any sweeping statements about online publications taking over or anything like that. I mean, even Pitchfork just put out a book, right?" (Thesaurus Musicarum, a print-form bells-and-whistles anthology of Pitchfork's best 2003 work.) 'Rumors of the death of print are greatly exaggerated.'"

Someone reboot the roboeditor.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:22 (twenty years ago) link

Is that Lupo's Heartbreak Hotel in the picture? If so, I must be an indie guy. Anyway, Pitchfork blah.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:26 (twenty years ago) link

Right, he suffers from split names and personalities, made all the worse by having to split time between Sub Pop and Pitchfork.

x-post

dleone (dleone), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:28 (twenty years ago) link

mcd, yep! Also, look at the confused Sonic Youth fans!

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:28 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not here, this isn't happening.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:39 (twenty years ago) link

was the part about integrity part of the subpop pisstake? irony always confuses me after september 11th got given a 6.5 from the pitchfork staff with marks taken off for overkill

queen gerroff, Friday, 4 June 2004 13:00 (twenty years ago) link

"It's been a while since I've heard an album that's leapt forth from my stereo speakers with such determination to restore my faith in indie rock."

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 4 June 2004 13:06 (twenty years ago) link

Jon heard the new Modest Mouse YAYAYAYAYAYAY!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 June 2004 13:33 (twenty years ago) link

If I ever write the phrase "faith in indie rock" please kill me. Oh.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 4 June 2004 13:44 (twenty years ago) link

today:

Ironically, this makes me want to go back to college. Despite my firm belief that college radio keeps awful, gimmicky music like this alive in both art-school-steps Camel klatches and the rooms of weird engineering kids who listen to "Weird" Al. Hell, that drunk Delta Gamma guy flossing a toilet seat around his neck like bling singing "Big Pimpin'" in a kiddie pool of PBR has more musical integrity than this atrocity.

UHHHH COLLEGE RADIO TASTE = PITCHFORK TASTE

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 4 June 2004 13:48 (twenty years ago) link

What a tired, tired copout that is 'round these parts. Use other thoughts please.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Friday, 4 June 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

andy ward /= andy beta

andybeta, Friday, 4 June 2004 14:06 (twenty years ago) link

FROM THE FRONTPAGE OF PITCHFORK TODAY:

.: The Ponys: Laced with Romance
A sudden hit at college radio, The Ponys' 70s garage-rock throwback bears none of the high-budget gloss and stylized posturing of the recent genre-aping MTV staples, instead offering an honest, unpretentious blast of cozily familiar riffs and wiry, bug-eyed vocals.

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

OMG, Jon Williams in intense p'fork emasculation scenario!

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:15 (twenty years ago) link

quod erat demonstratum. bravo

common_person (common_person), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

jon could you post that email about Franz Ferdinand again?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago) link

From: Katie
Date: Mar 11, 2004 08:49 PM
Subject: Franz Ferdinand!! (soo rockin!)
Body: Ok, so my good friend turned me onto this new band Franz Ferdinand. And may I say... freakin' AWESOME!! It has been so long since I heard songs sooo good and sooo rockin' that I have to blast it and actually jump around and dance and shake my booty! Seriously, this band rocks, and I mean that cool old fashioned funk edgey raw type of rock, with the catchiest hooks, but pure music all the way thru. An album that will make your head bop and foot tap involuntarily, for sure. Everyone should run out and buy it NOW!! You will NOT be dissappointed!

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:48 (twenty years ago) link

That was obviously written by an over-caffeinated PR hack.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:50 (twenty years ago) link


But back up. These guys are on Matador, not RCA. The hypester division of Matador is a guy in a closet (and he's only part-time); the 'spin' budget for Interpol wouldn't even be a down-payment on Julian Casablancas' designer leather jacket. The fact that these guys see press at all can only be attributed to their die-hard contingent of fans (I'm only recently converted), and was earned purely through legwork and a handful of underpublicised EPs. And now that they've won our attention, after three years of toiling in obscurity, it's mere icing that their debut full-length delivers upon what the whispers only hinted at.

GAAAAAAAAAA

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:52 (twenty years ago) link

Jon, maybe you should switch to Drowned at Sea or Rocket Fuel or even Skyscraper - something less caffeinated.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:55 (twenty years ago) link


.

Cursive's Domestica is certainly one of the finest hard indie rock releases of the year thus far and has established an impressive staying capacity in my CD rotation. Kasher's intelligent, thought-provoking lyrics resonate perfectly inside the head of anyone who's ever seen love go sour. "The Martyr" is a standout anthem to those jilted with the finer sex and their perceived emotional volatility, with the ingenious refrain: "Sweet baby don't cry/ Your tears are only alibis." Songs like "A Red So Deep" rock hard while keeping emotions firmly attached to sleeve, asking bitterly, "Are you satisfied tonight?" At only nine tracks, Cursive's Domestica suffers from brevity, but not much more. If you're happily linked with a member of the opposite sex, stay away from this record. Otherwise, the world needs Cursive.

bah!!!@!@!!@!@

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago) link

And now that they've won our attention, after three years of toiling in obscurity, it's mere icing that their debut full-length delivers upon what the whispers only hinted at.

What does this mean? The fact that the music is any good is "mere icing"? So what's the cake? The fact that they toiled in obscurity for three years? Interesting to see the psychology of Pitchfork writers laid bare.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

im giving the latter half of this thread a 2.3.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:05 (twenty years ago) link

(soo rockin!)

okay, nobody uses this term anymore EXCEPT icky PR types, so for at least the second time this week I find myself agreeing with Jon W. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?????????????????

Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Friday, 4 June 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

Also, Franz Ferdinand != "funk"

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 4 June 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

I'm hoping, Mark, that he meant Columbia College in Chicago. Otherwise I am deeply offended.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 4 June 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

Many of my friends go to Columbia in Chicago!

djdee2005, Friday, 4 June 2004 20:03 (twenty years ago) link

This article is like four years too late. OMG THE INTERNET WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING!

Nick Mirov (nick), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:44 (twenty years ago) link

Only four?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 4 June 2004 21:15 (twenty years ago) link

A good way to make a point is to cut and paste something and then type in caps.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 4 June 2004 22:03 (twenty years ago) link

It's been a while since I've heard an album that's leapt forth from my stereo speakers with such determination to restore my faith in indie rock. Within the first twenty seconds of "Is This Thing On?", the leadoff track from Nothing Feels Good, I cast my vote for the Promise Ring as "Most Likely to Vanish in a Puff of Buddha-Like Perfection."
- Nick Mirov, 1997

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Saturday, 5 June 2004 18:19 (twenty years ago) link

Pitchfork has a lot of overbloated, laughably pretentious wankers, no doubt. I have read reviews on there that went on forever, grossly overestimating their own importance, and not making much sense.
The site is more useful for news than it is for reviews.

Bimble (bimble), Saturday, 5 June 2004 19:47 (twenty years ago) link

Why has "sassy" suddenly become such a popular word?
It's one of the few words I truly dislike, so this makes me a sad otter.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Saturday, 5 June 2004 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Also, Franz Ferdinand != "funk"

You're right, they're white crunk!

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

“He certainly isn't jockeying for a Rolling Stone job -- he goes on to plug some sort of movie project he has coming out (you'll read all about it on Pitchfork soon). In fact, that's perhaps the site's oddest element: Though a few writers have dabbled in more traditional outlets like Magnet and Spin (pubs the site's brain trust doesn't unequivocally hate, though they largely prefer British mags such as Mojo), a good many of Pitchfork's stable of 20-odd staff writers and contributors have no prior rock-crit experience or interest in making a career out of this. Carr, for example, delivered the definitive review of the recent punk rock boxed set No Thanks!, but the review did not require the services of his electrical engineering degree.”

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link


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