Love / Hate the music / ethos

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For me:

love the ethos / love the music: Saint Etienne (91-95), Skitz, XTC, (recently) Cannibal Ox.

love the ethos / hate the music: Common, Billy Bragg.

hate the ethos / hate the music: Christina Aguilera, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park.

hate the ethos / love the music: Jay-Z, So Solid Crew.

Most of you I think will understand the contradictions here. Any personal equivalent lists?

― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Love the ethos/hate the music: Christina Aguilera, Sum 41

Hate the ethos/love the music: Jay-Z, Foxy Brown, Butthole Surfers, Sebadoh

Love the ethos/love the music: Jimmy Cliff, Mekons, Outkast, Wookie

― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Love the ethos/ love the music: Philistines Jr, Dinosaur Jr, Beach Boys
Hate the ethos/ hate the music: DJ Piped Piper, So Solid Crew, Beutiful South

I think I either like a band or I don't, so I can't really think of any contradictions in my taste.

― james, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

love the ethos / love the music: jay-z, raekwon, slick rick, geto boys, nas

love the ethos / hate the music: nwa, tupac, ice-t

hate the ethos / hate the music: outkast, cannibal ox, skitz

hate the ethos / love the music: krs-one, missy elliot, kool keith

― ethan, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

love the ethos/love the music: Boredoms, Ruins, XTC, Can (71-75)
love the ethos/hate the music: Leonard Cohen (recent), Tim Berne, REM, Minor Threat
hate the ethos/hate the music: Bizkit, Insane Clown Posse, Celine Dion
hate the ethos/love the music: Britney, "Love Will Keep Us Together", Raspberries

― dleone, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

love the ethos / love the music: Public Enemy, Crass, Squarepusher
love the ethos / hate the music: White Stripes, Fugazi, Throbbing Gristle
hate the ethos / hate the music: Moby, U2, KMFDM
hate the ethos / love the music: Wu Tang, Beck, James Brown

― chaki, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

love the ethos/love the music: Fugazi, Dplan, MoM, NERD, Miles Davis, Shellac love the ethos/hate the music: Black Flag hate the ethos/hate the music: Limp Biz, 2pac, any pretentious indierock band with strings hate the ethos/love the music: Ludacris(though his new video is HILLARIOUS), Missy E(space cadet), Radiohead

― Brock, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

james brown???

― ethan, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't like this question so I'm substituting a word.

love the atmosphere/love the music: The Kinks, In Flames, Megadeth, Malice Mizer, Sneaky Bat Machine, Bowie sometimes, Helloween, Nine INch Nails

love the atmosphere/hate the music: Shazna, L'arc en Ciel fairly often, Bowie sometimes, Mudhoney, Leonard Cohen, Christina Aguilera

hate the atmosphere/hate the music: Cannibal Corpse, the Beach Boys,

hate the atmosphere/love the music: the Velvet Underground, Belle & Sebastian

― Maria, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Love the ethos/love the music - Kinks, Prince, Buzzcocks/Magazine, Minutemen, PM Dawn.

I'm only about the love today.

― dan, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Like James, I have a hard time separating the two. Hell, I like the early Skrewdriver stuff, but that's before their ethos became quite objectionable (and the music became shitty). The early Burzum stuff is obviously associated with a pretty questionable ethos, but it's so good that I don't hear them selling anything other than a kind of generalized despair and frustration. It doesn't make me want to burn down a church. Good music has to sell an ethos, among other things.

Love the music/love the ethos: Grateful Dead - "Uncle John's Band"
Hate the music/hate the ethos: Grateful Dead - "St. Stephen"

See what I mean?

― Kris, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

maria you intrigue me a little more every day.

love the ethos/love the music: the beta band, the boredoms.

hate the ethos/love the music: dancehall, gangsta/street/hardcore hiphop, uk garage

love the ethos/hate the music: a good deal of free jazz, noise, and otherwise atonal cauterwalling.

hate the ethos/hate the music: new age. pop-country. a LOT of idm.

― jess, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Maria is awesome, however hating the atmosphere of the Velvets is something I can't agree with. The atmosphere surrounding that band is one of my all-time faves.

Are Phillistines, Jr. still a recording act? I used to hang out sometimes with a couple of those guys, as well as the Dave and Paul they wrote a song about. I had a pretty big crush on Dave; hope he doesn't read this.

― Sean, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's not that I hate the atmosphere, really. I put those two bands under that category because they are the ones I do not like to admit I enjoy because of all the expectations and stereotypes that have been built up around them. I feel pretentious and like a pathetic suburbanite wanting to be hip or something if I say I like the Velvets.

― Maria, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

love the ethos / love the music: The Who, Nina Simone, Boredoms, Fennesz, Flaming Lips, Brian Eno

love the ethos / hate the music: Mr. Bungle, Sonic Youth, John Zorn

hate the ethos / hate the music: Team Dresch, Dead Kennedys

hate the ethos / love the music: Oval, Aphex Twin, early Van Halen, AC/DC

― Mark, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

love the music/love the baggage: Kylie, Roxy Music love the music/hate the baggage: Sophie Ellis Bextor, VU, SFA, Sinatra, gangsta rap , Slayer, House, The Beach Boys, The Smiths, New Order, ABBA, Depeche Mode, Motorhead

hate the music/love the baggage: drum n' bass, undie rap

hate the music/hate the baggage: The Fall, Primal Scream, Limp Bizkit, Royal Trux, The Eagles, happy hardcore, Pole

baggage#for me = the shit surrounding the band/genre[often ^selling^ it]

― , Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

love the ethos / love the music: Melt-Banana, Les Savy Fav, Prince, ATDI (rip)

love the ethos / hate the music: Jamie Lidell, KISS, Roots Manuva

hate the ethos / hate the music: Weezer, Phil Spector, Creed, Crazytown

hate the ethos / love the music: Ida, Wu-Tang, Christina Aguilera, The Strokes

― Alacrán, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(Sean...I think the Philistines Jr are still about, it took them about 5 years to record their last album and 3 years to get it released (this year), they play in loads of other bands as well.)

― james, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For me, image and ethos aren't that far removed, so the older thread Love the Music / Loathe the image comes to mind.

But yeah, I don't listen really listen to artists whose ethos I don't like. I bet Ned does a lot.

― Nick, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This has really got me thinking now. There are loads of acts that would fit into Robin's love music/hate ethos category for me. Loads of hip hop for example. But I don't have a problem with them. And it's not even as if I have to shut out the lyrics either - I can appreciate their quality without feeling like I have to buy into their outlook.

Someone on another thread (maybe on ILE) suggested, when the whole "why do so many people with an indie background use 'indie' like a dirty word" thing came up again that it's because people are much more critical of things that are, in objective/general public's terms, close to what they like but somehow completely wrong than they are of things from a more alien genre. And that's what's going on here with me I think. Pulp, The Smiths, Belle & Sebastian, The Cure, The Divine Comedy, Blur. All those bands do things other people might class together. Yet I love the first three and loathe the others, because of what you might call their ethos. They and I are coming from a similar enough (though it pains me to say it) place that it's important for me to distinguish violently between them in order to define exactly what I'm about. No one who's met me is going to see an Eminem record in my collection and think that I'm a misogynist fuck-up with violent fantasies. But if they see 'Parklife' or 'Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me' there, I feel like I'm being associated with things I think are really lame. If it's someone plugged into indie music then I hope that my discernment explains what I'm about. And if it's someone who isn't, then I guess I want to make the point that what they think of as indie music doesn't really feel like a cohesive genre to me at all - you know, the kind of "Oh you're indie, so you'll like Coldplay" attitude. Of course, for the most part, these people I'm talking about aren't actually real, or at least they're not looking at my music collection and giving a toss about what the lack of Cure records says about me or indie music. They're people I invoke in my interior discourse with myself. But yeah - when it comes to music that's 'close to home' I'm pretty fucking ideological and don't make a habit of making exceptions on 'musical' grounds when I think the ethos stinks.

― Nick, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

And here's a new one I've just invented:

no ethos/indifferent to music: Jay-Z, Tindersticks, Stereolab, David Gray, Strokes, Andrew WK, Jimmy Eat Bran Flakes or whatever the hell they're called, Jools Holland and his Boogie Woogie Sopranino Bullroarer Magic, Teenage Fanclub, Travis, Floyd post-'79, all Spice Girl solo efforts bar Mel B "I Want You Back," Diana Krall, Mel Torme, Handsome Family, Gracie Fields, Andrew Poppy.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

love the ethos / hate the music: Throbbing Gristle, SPK, Matmos, Bjork, MoM, Public Enemy, D'Angelo, GWAR, Wilco
hate the ethos / love the music: NIN, Tool, Jay-Z, NWA, Dre Godspeed YBE!, Prml Scrm, Ryan Adams
hate the ethos / hate the music: Bizkit, Creed, Christina, Ben Folds, Eminem
love the ethos / love the music: idm wankery, Bright Eyes, Outkast, Basement Jaxx, Fugazi, RIchard Buckner, Ryan Adams

― bnw, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I sorta find this question a bit weird, I think. I tend to treat whatever ethos comes up as a separate thing, and even then I don't really bother with considering/thinking about it too much...

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Someone here hates Public Enemy! Where were you on the C or D?

― sundar subramanian, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nick, your last post there was utterly classic. Hadn't thought of it that way, but you're spot on - I dislike both the ethos and the music of Coldplay or Starsailor because they make me doubt my love of bands whose ethos and music are quite similar but somehow incomparably superior.

― Tim, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

re: Public Enemy - Lots of their songs fall really flat for me. Always seemed the excitement surrounding them was more interesting then their albums. I don't how specific I can be other then I don't think their production aged very well. But maybe it isn't fair to seperate the message from the music, especially in their case.

/me back-peddles

― bnw, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

what about love the question/hate the poster?

― ethan, Wednesday, 14 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Shush, things will get cranky again with talk like that.

― Ronan, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i fucking love p.e.

― chaki, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

love the ethos/love the music: Loreena McKennitt, Bis love the ethos/hate the music: Minor Threat, Green Jelly hate the ethos/hate the music: Motley Crue, N*Stynk, Korn hate the ethos/love the music: Ice-T, Metallica, Dandy Warhols

― Lord Custos, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dammit!
Lets try that with some formatting.
love the ethos/love the music: Loreena McKennitt, Bis
love the ethos/hate the music: Minor Threat, Green Jelly
hate the ethos/hate the music: Motley Crue, N*Stynk, Korn
hate the ethos/love the music: Ice-T, Metallica, Dandy Warhols

― Lord Custos, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

for the record, i wasn't referring to this thread.

― ethan, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ethan? is that all spindrift left over from the "racism" argument you and necromancer were having?

― Lord Custos, Thursday, 15 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one year passes...

oh, i missed this one the first time round:

love the ethos / love the music: Kraftwerk, Ween, Jay-Z, Frank Zappa (duh), Brian Eno, Devo, the Rolling Stones (up to and including Exile on Main Street), David Bowie, Gary Numan (1978-1981), NWA, much techno/electronica.
love the ethos / hate the music: The Minutemen, Grateful Dead, GYBE!, Mogwai.
hate the ethos / hate the music: Sigur Ros; Creed; nu-metal, roots-rock, adult-alternative (i.e., Aimee Mann and Three Eye Blind) and "singer-songwriters" (generally); nineties ska; Rolling Stones (from 1986 onwards).
hate the ethos / love the music: Anal Cunt; Radiohead; Eminem; Pearl Jam; Depeche Mode (sorry Ned and Dan).

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 18 May 2003 05:35 (twenty-three years ago)

whoops BIG mistake -- put Pearl Jam under "hate ethos AND music." PLEASE!

― Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 18 May 2003 05:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Love ethos and music: Curtis Mayfield, The Clash, Afrika Bambaataa, Captain Beefheart
Love ethos; hate music: Ani DiFranco, Fugazi, Billy Bragg, Sleater-Kinney
Hate ethos; love music: Jay-Z (I sense a trend), coke-frenzy mid-'70s seig-heilin' David Bowie, Eminem, Led Zeppelin
Hate ethos and music: Ja Rule, The Eagles, Limp Bizkit, Darryl Worley

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 18 May 2003 05:50 (twenty-three years ago)

ethan i know askin you to explain yr stuff is for dumb squares (i'm not being sarcastic!) but what's up with your 1st answ. to this post , were you parodying yourself or something

― duane, Sunday, 18 May 2003 07:50 (twenty-three years ago)

'cause if you were i think you sort of miss the point of you

― duane, Sunday, 18 May 2003 07:51 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

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― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 12 May 2005 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Love the music/hate the ethos: snoop dogg, shania twain
hate the music/love the ethos: whitehouse

― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 12 May 2005 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

add to "hate ethos, love the music": 50 cent

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 12 May 2005 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

hate the ethos/hate the music: the clash, hold steady, depeche mode, rage against the machine, lucinda williams
hate the ethos/love the music: grateful dead (sometimes), steely dan, donovan
love the ethos/hate the music: scott walker, joanna newsom, tom waits
love the ethos/love the music: beach boys, francoise hardy, the whole tropicalia genre

― gershy, Sunday, 1 July 2007 06:38 (eighteen years ago)

hate the ethos: this thread

― deej, Sunday, 1 July 2007 07:18 (eighteen years ago)

love the deej

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 1 July 2007 08:39 (eighteen years ago)

hate the ethos/hate the music: animal collective, gy!be, belle & seb
hate the ethos/love the music: jeezy, late-period trane, clipse
love the ethos/hate the music: el-p, madlib, stereolab (overstating)
love the ethos/love the music: goodie mob, common, john zorn

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 1 July 2007 08:44 (eighteen years ago)

love the ethos / hate the music: nwa, tupac, ice-t

-- ethan, Tuesday, 13 November 2001 01:00 (5 years ago) Bookmark Link

― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 1 July 2007 09:12 (eighteen years ago)

hate the ethos/hate the music: jane's addiction, RATM, joss stone
hate the ethos/love the music: young dro, yung joc, t-pain, etc.
love the ethos/hate the music: joanna newsom, love is all, basically all noise
love the ethos/love the music: lil' wayne, the beatles, exploding hearts

― Jordan Sargent, Sunday, 1 July 2007 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

i can't think of a single act where i like the "ethos" and not the music.

― That one guy that quit, Sunday, 1 July 2007 10:45 (eighteen years ago)

pure reason revolution = love ethos, hate music

― Just got offed, Sunday, 1 July 2007 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

the fall = loooove ethos, never really got the music

― Just got offed, Sunday, 1 July 2007 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

hate the ethos/love the music: young dro, yung joc, t-pain, etc.

wtf is wrong with the ethos of 'i'ma buy you a drink'

― deej, Sunday, 1 July 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

had to think hard, looking at current stuff only:

love the ethos, love the music: Justice, Battles, Girl Talk, MIA, Ellen Allien
love the ethos, hate the music: Klaxons, Calvin Harris, Client, recent Armand Van Helden, recent The Fall, possibly Mika
hate the ethos, hate the music: Simon Webbe, Gareth Gates, The Fray, Ne-Yo
hate the ethos, love the music: White Stripes, Clipse, Lil Jon, possibly Mark Ronson

― blueski, Sunday, 1 July 2007 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

hate the ethos/love the music: young dro, yung joc, t-pain, etc.

I AM AGAINST FALLING IN LOVE WITH STRIPPERS

― max, Sunday, 1 July 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

Hate the ethos/ hate the music - Babyshambles
Hate the ethos/ Love the music - Heartbreakers, Only Ones
Love the Ethos/ Hate the Music - Crass,
Love the Ethos/ Love the Music - The Fall

― sonofstan, Sunday, 1 July 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

Hate the ethos/ hate the music - Korn
Hate the ethos/ Love the music - Kid Rock
Love the Ethos/ Hate the Music - Manic Street Preachers
Love the Ethos/ Love the Music - Young Gods

― henry s, Sunday, 1 July 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

hate the ethos/love the music: young dro, yung joc, t-pain, etc.

wtf is wrong with the ethos of 'i'ma buy you a drink'

yeah, i probably shouldn't have thrown t-pain in there, or at least should have clarified that in my head i was thinking of his pre- "buy u a drank" output, especially because i love the ethos in the chorus to the plies song.

― Jordan Sargent, Sunday, 1 July 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

count me in with those who find the question a bit weird, but...

Hate the ethos/ hate the music - post-'72 Clapton, most country post-'85 or so, Northern State
Hate the ethos/ Love the music - Jonathan Fire* Eater, pre-'71 Clapton, Jane's Addiction, Weezer (first 3 records), 50 cent, Will Oldham
Love the Ethos/ Hate the Music - umm Tom Waits, I guess. About 97% of hardcore.
Love the Ethos/ Love the Music - Country Teasers, Eno, Dylan, lots of 1st wave ska and rock-steady, Steely Dan, Curtis Mayfield

maybe I should have subbed "baggage" or "atmosphere" for ethos like -- , and Maria did up-thread.

― will, Sunday, 1 July 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

Love the ethos/Hate the music - Nick Cave
Hate the Ethos/Love the Music - ABBA, Burzum
Hate the Ethos/Hate the Music - Limp Bizkit
Love the Ethos/Love the Music - Beach Boys, Jonathan Richman

― the next grozart, Sunday, 1 July 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

ha, nick cave is totally hate the ethos/love the music for me! though i've hated the music as well for the past few years.

― lex pretend, Sunday, 1 July 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

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