Is music better than film?

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I was just poking around the metacritic website. If you are unfamiliar, the site aggregates reviews of music, movies, dvds and videogames, assigning a value (1-100) based on the reviewer's rating. All these are then averaged to an overall rating.

The movies section contains mostly releases that are negative (avg 0-40) or mixed (40-60), while the music section is overwhelmingly populated with releases that scored generally favorable (60-100).

I'd be interested to know theories as to why this is.

frankE (frankE), Sunday, 6 June 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Because Hollywood has gotten progressively worse over the last 20 years in a way that the music industry hasn't?

noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

well, of course it is. it's far more narrowcasted. and it has more music in it. :)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I've wondered about this myself re: Metacritic. My initial inclination is that music is a more subjective medium, which means that you get a wider range of scores. An album might get a few lousy scores but it's redeemed by the same number of top scores; the cumulative effect is average, if not "generally favorable." Whereas with movies, everyone seems to know shit when they see it. I also think there's a greater need for consensus when it comes to film. As soon as one reviewer made the comment that Gigli was one of the worst films of all time, movie critics fell all over themselves to eviscerate the film in a new way, when really it probably wasn't all that bad.

jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Because Hollywood has gotten progressively worse over the last 20 years in a way that the music industry hasn't?

Possibly, but this mix of reviews extends to the limited release (generally indie or "indie") movies listed below the wide release (Hollywood) as well.

frankE (frankE), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Objectively speaking, yes

Sonny A. (Keiko), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

As soon as one reviewer made the comment that Gigli was one of the worst films of all time, movie critics fell all over themselves to eviscerate the film in a new way

But don't movie reviews tend to hit the newstands at roughly the same time? Music reviews trickle out over a longer period of time, giving one review a larger possibility of influencing others. This could be an explanation.

Utter disaster movies (Gigli, Ishtar, Howard the Duck, etc) may be an exception in that there was so much pre-release anti-buzz on it.

frankE (frankE), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Disaster refers to lost money, not "Day After Tomorrow" and the like...

frankE (frankE), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

this mix of reviews extends to the limited release (generally indie or "indie") movies listed below the wide release (Hollywood) as well

But in cinema, indie/arthouse/non-English/whatever the hell = "not mainstream" movies represent a small part of the total reviews. In music, where the mainstream is really a delta of main streams, often more interesting or inventive than their indie counterparts, there's more likely to be a greater proportion of works that reviewers enjoy.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

That's just what I was going to write, NV. The amount of music being made is far, far greater than the number of movies being made.

It's also interesting that there are a lot of movies (particularly of the action/blockbuster variety) that get crap reviews but make loads of money. This is far less common in music, I believe. So the attitude of the movie critic may be "I can write whatever I want, and it won't figure much into the movie's bottom line, so I might as well completely rip it apart to hammer home my point".

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 6 June 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

, the site aggregates reviews of music...assigning a value (1-100) based on the reviewer's rating

Santa Monica lawyers, according to their "about" page, playing around with yet-another-among-thousands Internet pseudo-content site that purports to order and assign metrics to something not orderable. Since they frequently assign numerical values to my reviews, which neither lend themselves to such things or carry them, they certainly qualify as free-range chumps.

Harry Klam, Sunday, 6 June 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Because music is almost exclusively bought and reviewed by people who enjoy its genre at least enough to want to do their jobs? While a big film release is more of a cultural event that everyone feels obliged to get into? (if the metacritic averages for eg obscure HK action aren't 60-100 i'll retract this, but i'd be surprised)...

Gregory Henry (Gregory Henry), Sunday, 6 June 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

music critics are simply too generous with their ratings. i usually allow for a 7/10 from a music critic to mean roughly the same as a 5/10 from a film critic.

online music critics are even worse, with the ratings scale sometimes expanded to 11/10, or 10 ++, just to cope with the exaggerated ratings of all other albums.

"The amount of music being made is far, far greater than the number of movies being made."

i thought this would have the opposite effect, with the average music rating dropping instead of rising.

Michael Dubsky, Sunday, 6 June 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought this would have the opposite effect, with the average music rating dropping instead of rising.

It would, if the number of reviewers was proportional to the amount of product, and if everyone reviewed a bit of everything. But as NV pointed out, the music scene is extremely fractured, so that albums are more likely to be reviewed by fans or specialists of the genre in question. In turn, they assign higher ratings.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 7 June 2004 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Or stated differently, we'd expect the average rating to drop as the number of reviews increases.
For a Hollywood release, there's one review for almost every movie per major daily paper = 100's or 1000's of reviews for each movie. I doubt any one album is reviewed that much.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 7 June 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

music critics are simply too generous with their ratings

Ah, yes. Grade inflation. Christgau admits to it in his Consumer Guide books (at least in the 90s book I own).

they frequently assign numerical values to my reviews, which neither lend themselves to such things or carry them

Interesting. I did notice this in some reviews. I'm still not so willing to dismiss the site out of hand, however.

Also, it was odd that they assigned a 100 to a Christgau Consumer Guide that was graded A. An A+ would get the same 100, I assume. An A should probably get a 95 and an A+ a 100.

The specialist angle is interesting, though. But even outside of Metacritic, I pick up magazines that assign numerical or x-out-of-y stars and the reviews tend towards just slightly above average (the 60 to 70 range, say, of Metacritic.

frankE (frankE), Monday, 7 June 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)


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