Where do your musical "hates" come from?

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Over the course of the last couple of months (or many more than that?), I've noticed quite a number of nasty rips against !!!, a band whose music I like a lot. "Do the people ripping them truly dislike their music, or is it something else?", I wonder. "Do they think the music is truly that terrible, with absolutely no redeeming qualities?"

When we examine our opinion of the artists and bands whose music we cannot stand (for me, for example, Lenny Kravitz, The Smiths and The Tea Party come to mind right away), are there nonmusical factors which lead us to our now solid stand?

With the case of Lenny Kravitz, I realize that the combination of hearing "It Ain't Over Til It's Over" over and over and over and over and over again from the people who living upstairs from me in Quebec City one summer, and his apparent over-obsession with his image (I read something somewhere about this, and then saw an outtake on Muchmusic showing him freaking out because he was not ready for his interview --- some hairs were out of place), has probably given me a head start as to how I hear his music.

Do any of you catch yourself doing a similar thing with the artists that you seem to have that extra bit of energy to dis?

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

!!! hate can be attributed directly to their "singer."

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

like i give a fuck about that fuck

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

"!!! hate can be attributed directly to their 'singer'."

explain please

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

the seed of my nickleback hate is the singers hair

― astroblaster (astroblaster), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I can honestly say that my nickelback hate comes completely via their music. I was in a store that was pumping one of their songs through everyone's bones and I assumed that my business was not desired! One of the worst things that I've heard in my recent life!

I found out a couple of weeks later that it was said band.

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

most of my dave matthews hate comes from having attended an acoustic show he did in my university's "west gym" in 1995. i went with some friends, not knowing much about the guy except for a vague recollection of a song or two. the music at the show wasn't that bad, but the audience was wall-to-wall DRUNK LONG ISLAND FRAT FUCKOS who kept talking over the set at deafening volumes. dave matthews even asked them to shut up a few times.

i was a little shaken by the experience. i'm not so crazy about the dmb to begin with, but now i have a real irrational hatred of them.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.usmarinegear.com/newsletter/new%20products/musical-hat.jpg

― don (don), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

There's also a story about how Lenny Kravitz refused to go on stage at the MMVA's one year until someone brought him some cookies. One of the MM staff had to run across the street to get the cookies he wanted.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I honestly can't think of a single band that I hate solely due to dislike for the singer's voice.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it the !!! singer's voice that irks some people so, or is it stage antics, or is it a beard, or is it lyrics, or is it that he shits his pants?

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Or is it that he doesn't shit his pants?

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

all of the above.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:01 (twenty-one years ago)

The musical hates in my life come from a pit of hell to torment me. Because they suck.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

that shitty oliver stone movie

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

WHICH ONE?

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

yes.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

the one about the band i hate

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

There are as many reasons to hate an artist as there are to love an artist, it's never just one thing.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i just hate !!! because their music is completley unfunky funk. i find it quite astonishing how many style mags and neo-trendies want to rub their balls.

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Monday, 7 June 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Selling a stiff-assed hippie jam band approximation of funk to indie rock hipsters who'd never be caught dead buying a Dave Matthews record beneath a singing voice as clumsy as the guy in Big Audio Dynamite would seem to be reason enough to hate ANY band, I would think.

― chuck, Monday, 7 June 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Also it is very very hard to figure out where to alphabetize their press releases. (I put them under "E" for "exclamation point," by the way. Fuck that stupid chick chick chick bullshit, you know?)

― chuck, Monday, 7 June 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

yes agreeing with that would be reason enough to hate any band.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i hate !!! because i hate dancing.

i hate dave matthews band for much the same reasons stated above, except it's my sister and her friends who are all poxy fules.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm beginning to hate anybody in an animal suit. I now hate the animal collective, kanye west, danger mouse, and the flaming lips.
It's one thing if you are a furry or a fuzzy who has sex in an animal suit, but for bands that shit has gotten really lame.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that animal collective album is pretty bad anyway though. suits or no suits.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean the danielson freaks did it better anyway dressed as trees.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Where do the Moldy Peaces and SFA fit into all that, Scott?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I never even knew Animal Collective dressed as animals until I saw that NY Times photo over the weekend. Their new album is even duller than their last one. Yet another vaguely interesing art band that somehow got deluded into believing that they can make "pop" songs, jeezus...

― chuck, Monday, 7 June 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

wait, do SFA dress up like animals? i really liked rings around the world and the last one kinda but not as much. and some of the older tunes. but if they start showing up in furry drag i might have to rethink things.

anybody who wants the moldy peaches can have them. i listened to the record once. i did my duty.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

as far as the new geekcore bands like animal collective, i like rapider than horsepower, but i don't think they dress up like horses.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Sick Mouthy described Animal Collective to me as 'ethno art indie pop' and I responded that that sounded goddamn horrible.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

musically, they aren't completely horrible. But there are a zillion bands who do the lo-fi psych crack-up stuff a lot better. And, yeah, vocally, they are all cu-raaaaazy. heehee!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Geeta's review made them sound a lot more fun than you guys are.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Geeta can like them! Geeta isn't me! To be fair, I haven't heard everything they've done. Just the new one. Maybe the old stuff is so great I would go crazy when i listened to it and become their biggest fan. Who knows? As it stands, I would rather listen to Yume Bitsu, and I don't even listen to Yume Bitsu.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I really liked Geeta's review though. So, that is one good thing that has come from the band.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

flaming lips before dressing like animals: pretty good alt-rock band
flaming lips after dressing like animals: pretty worthless

I sense a trend.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes -- more animals should dress like the Flaming Lips.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"i just hate !!! because their music is completley unfunky funk."

So y'all don't like them cuz they're not a funk band?

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Geeta actually reviewed Animal Collective's early messy noisy experimental backgroung music stuff, though, which was a LOT more interesting than the dime-a-dozen quasi-*Pets Sound* hooklessness they're getting away with now. (When will indie kids learn that *Pet Sounds* is when the Beach Boys really started to suck? Oh yeah, indie kids hate dancing, I always forget.) (And I've yet to hear an indie *Pet Sounds* attempt that wasn't way more boring than *Pet Sounds* regardless.) (And oh yeah, don't get me started on Flaming Lips, who made their best record in 19fucking84, for crissakes.)

― chuck, Monday, 7 June 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Beach Boys = hate

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

...am I an indie kid?

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

...or an indie rock hipster?

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I still think that the original question is an interesting one, especially geared towards y'all who writes for us to know what's the shit, or shit.

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

...musically

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate mediocrity in rock, like that new H00bastank song that I hear *everywhere* is such FLAT crap, (rock band pens sensitive ballad with "deep" thoughts -- shutthefuckup) and it drives me nuts that it gets the airplay that it does (mainly because I'm on the receiving end of that airplay). Modern rock can be generic but still listenable. I swear, it really really can.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

well, I was trying to answer honestly, um, peepee. Animal suits must go! Especially animal suits with bloodstains.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

all i hear in the car is the one where the girl thanks the guy for holding her hair when she pukes.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, she thanks him while she pukes? That must sound like death metal or something!!

― chuck, Monday, 7 June 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"well, I was trying to answer honestly"

Truth that.

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"all i hear in the car is the one where the girl thanks the guy for holding her hair when she pukes."

Should I be grateful that I don't know what this is?

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

When will indie kids learn that *Pet Sounds* is when the Beach Boys really started to suck?

smash that golden calf! show the indie kids who's boss!

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

No, it sounds like an Alanis song. She speaks the song. And she is thanking this guy for all the great things he does. They play it every 5 minutes when all i wanna hear is 99 Problems.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

If an indie band is compared to the beach boys or an indie rocker i've never heard brings up the beach boys in an interview i make a note never to listen to whatever it is. So there is truth in the beachboyz=death equation.

1) animal suits
2) beachboyz

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Do unindie rockers bring up the beached Boys?

― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

sometimes they do if they are recalling a favorite song from childhood.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate mediocrity in rock, like that new H00bastank song that I hear *everywhere* is such FLAT crap

I actually enjoy that song in a Journey style, impressed-by-the-compact-professionalism way, but nobody, even the haters, have noticed that the guy claims he's going to change who he USED to be. You can only change you ARE! That, along, with the redunancy of starting over new, makes the chorus one of the most ill-written things since something by Alanis.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Now, that's irony!

― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate most of the geographically named bands: Boston, Kansas, Chicago... The tunes just irk me all in different ways.

I hate a lot of rap music because it makes me angry when these guys get up on stage/TV and just play the part. That's not to say I don't like all rap/hip-hop, I just find a lot of it purely commercial. Do they realize that they're just selling a modern day cowboys and indians to rich white kids? At least Tonto wasn't actually a Native American.

I don't like a lot of recent "hip indie" bands because I think they're dull or just talentless, and it irks me to hear people say "Ugh, I can't believe you haven't heard [fill in band nobody will care about it 6 months with an 'odd' name]." And the conversation where you're introduced to someone because a mutual friend knows you "both like music" in which the hip one runs down the recent Pitchfork review list as the music they're into. Then the conversation just goes dead because the hip one can only say X is hip, X is passe, or they haven't heard X. I could have a more insightful conversation with a polka fan.

― Mike Salmo (salmo), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I'M GOING TO SEE RAPIDER THAN HORSEPOWER OPEN UP FOR !!! IN A COUPLE WEEKS. I'M EXCITED. NEITHER OF THEM DRESSES LIKE ANIMALS.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate ska because that's what my sister made my dad play on the car stereo when I wanted to listen to the doors.

I hate the smiths because my first girlfriend loved the smiths.

I hate Pet Sounds because it's when the Beach Boys started to suck.

Just kidding about that last one. I listened to Pet Sounds start to finish last week and it was really wonderful.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate Michael jackson except for the Van Halen guitar solo in "Beat It". Not because of the last ten years of Michael. I just always disliked the dude.

― jim wentworth (wench), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Also it is very very hard to figure out where to alphabetize their press releases. (I put them under "E" for "exclamation point," by the way. Fuck that stupid chick chick chick bullshit, you know?)

probably stolen from http://www.corduroy.com.au/chapter/tchtlogogrey.jpg anyway!

see: http://www.corduroy.com.au/chapter/can'tstopit.html

― OCP (OCP), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually thought I quite liked !!!

Fortunately however, after reading this thread, I now realise that I must have been mistaken.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

You hate in others the most what you hate the most in yourself.

For about a six-month span, maybe longer, I was the whiniest, most self-absorbed person on the planet. When I finally snapped out of it, I was quite disgusted with myself and vowed to never ever go back there again.

This is why I hate emo.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Metal Mike Saunders sent me a (VCR not DVD, natch) collection of a whole bunch of videos, and there was some Damned performance on it from 1977 or so. I have never paid any attention to the Damned, but they seemed really good. (The song was "Love Song," something like that, but did not seem to be a love song, as far as I could tell.) Anyway, the guitar player happened to be wearing a chicken suit, which may well be an exception that proves Scott's animal costume rule! Or something! (The singer was totally goth-ed out, before goth had a name. They seemed like a missing link between Slade and the Misfits. One of these days maybe I should buy a Damned album...)

― chuck, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say so! (I love those guys.) There are about eight million compilations so tread warily. If you want a 'proper' album as such, Machine Gun Etiquette, which has "Love Song" on it as well as a slew of other great songs. Also they collaborated with Motorhead on an okay enough but not perfect cover of "Ballroom Blitz" in 1980 or so, if that helps.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

There was actually a bootleg DVD I saw up in Portland that covered a bunch of different Damned performances on TV over the moons -- really should have given in and got it. Dave Vanian is the guy with the goth look -- he basically loved Alice Cooper, the NY Dolls and horror films, and modified accordingly. Like Glenn Danzig, he could (and still can) actually sing (and unlike Glenn, he didn't believe his schtick).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

If they were playing Love Song and the guitarist was wearing a chicken suit (i.e. it must have been Captain Sensible 'cos I can't imagine Brian James in a chicken suit) then it must have been after their first split up and reformation so late '78 at the earliest.

This is one band where you really are better off starting with a comp., because they've been through so many different (line-ups!) periods stylistically - as Ned rightly says 'though, be careful because there really are some dreadful ones out there. "Smash It Up: The Anthology 1976-1987" is almost certainly the best and most comprehensive one out there at the moment 'though. "The Light At The End Of The Tunnel" is OK too if you come across it.

The best thing you can possibly do 'though, if you want to experience what The Damned are all about, is to just go and see the old bastards playing live.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

the vid was probably from the 79 tour of america. I say sure the first LP is classic, but buy Machine Gun Ettiquette and the Black Album.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Rich white kids? If you think they constitute rap's main audience, you should reconsider. "Just playing the part" has been a part of popular music since the beginning -- Jagger is just one obvious example out of a long, long list.

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

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