"Nick Hornby is full of shit. Actually, this is unfair to shit. At least life grows from shit." WTF?

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At the risk of getting on his shit-list, I want to register my disgust with the opening of Scott Seward's Marah review. I'm not interested in defending Nick Hornby or Marah, but I don't think this level of insult, which I don't even find humorous--more like a bad day on ILM, belongs in even a weekly's music section.

― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

While harsh on Scott's part, I have to say I don't find that level of disgust with Hornby's smugosity regarding what 'real' music is supposed to be anything at all to condemn.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

i like everything to always be tepid.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

bruce hornsby is a nice guy. you should go back and listen to "the way it is" again. if it doesn't move you, you're probably conservative.

― King Kobra (King Kobra), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice guys make the best music.

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

ha.

i read this review a while ago. i dig scott's reviews. i thought the line was funny.

― artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

personally I did a little spin on my seat and yelled "wheee!" when I read that line.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

With Ned here. That really is quite a mild insult. Of course Hornby deserves every inch of it. He's influencing music consumers young and old in vast quantities FFS. His sterilising attitude to music is pretty neatly summed up in that sentence. Nothing can come out
of it, nothing good or self sustaining, or supportive. He doesn't say NH shouldn't be allowed to express his view(s), he's just naming them for what they are. Why is that wrong?

― de, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Scott Steward was completely, 100% right. And, I haven't even read the review, but I like it.

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

link please?

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

http://villagevoice.com/issues/0425/seward.php

― artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Amusingly enough, the band's label's own website has the review up!

http://www.yeproc.com/artist_info.php?artistId=868&page=newsArticle&articleId=1053

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Hornby's sad, blinkered, midlife-crisis-as-a-lifestyle-choice world...

Scott Seward, i kiss you!

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

At first I felt sort of bad for Marah here. But then I thought, hey, they got coverage on the NY Times Op-Ed page (WTF?), so they're not doing too shabby, who cares if the first half of this review isn't really about them. Any press is good press right?

I liked the record of theirs that I have heard, but really the drama over Hornby's review of their record is more interesting than any of the music I have heard by them. It's weird. And the review is not unfair to Marah at all. Plus, isn't this the first PRINT response to Hornby's nonsense? Everything else I have read is blog-based.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

It was a positive review of Marah, which is interesting.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like something from a 3rd grade schoolyard fight, but even in that context it wouldn't be clever or funny.

I don't know if I can explain further at the moment, but it seems really trashy and petty.

― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a bit ambigous in that taken on its own you could easily think that Scott's saying that Hornsby *in general*, as a human being, is full of shit, not just that his views on music are shit (which I think is what Scott wanted to convey.) No idea if that's what bothered Rockist Scientist about it, but yeah, I think it could be easily mistaken for a personal attack, which it really isn't.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

RS, your inability to laugh at shit jokes compromises the tremendous respect I have earned for you through years of intelligent posting.

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Man I fucking hate the Village Voice.

― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

All he's saying is that Hornby's critical approach is a dead-end, right? It's a clever opening line, and hardly filthy!?

― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh, someone had to say it. Thanks Scott!

What's wrong with being caustic anyway? Polite society is increasngly an impediment of communication. Someone needs to lay it down.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Polite society is increasngly an impediment of communication.

I don't think our society suffers from excessive politeness in most contexts.

― Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think our society suffers from excessive politeness in most contexts.

Out society is indeed rude and obnoxious, just not about anything that matters.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm going with the "funny" verdict here. that review made me chuckle. s.seward = hilarity.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sorry, but Nick Hornby IS full of shit. Now, I don't know about the unfair to shit part, but the rest seems to be pretty spot on to me.

― Mike Salmo (salmo), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i've hated hornby ever since that 'kid a' thing.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

What "Kid A" thing? Tell me tell me!

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.freedonia.com/~carl/kida/kida_c.gif

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

My editor took it out, but in a piece I did on Marah the band's singer Dave said that not long after the Times Op-Ed piece ran, Hornby sent him an apology. Though of course the Marah guy didn't give a shit about the whole thing. It's all about the music, you see...

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"I'd actually like to hear . . . it's pretty catchy!" My sincerest congratulations.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Hornby has already been a festering negative drain on what passes for literature in the UK, now it seems he wants to infect music criticism with the same tawdry values in the US. He deserves every ounce of criticism he gets.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

the animosity towards Hornby among lit nerds and music nerds alike is amazing to me. I mean, I don't know if it's warranted, but the way people start to froth at the mouth at the mere mention of his name is kind of scary.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 11:46 (twenty-one years ago)

His only redeeming feature was praising Westerberg. Apart from that - soffcock.

― The Velvet Overlord (The Velvet Overlord), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Hornby had a few pretty decent books, but his height-of-wankerdom 31 Songs will have made pretty much everyone agree with this view (The John Peel review of 31 songs was priceless).

― ___ (___), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it could be easily mistaken for a personal attack, which it really isn't.

I read it as a personal attack. A little later in the same paragraph we get:

In Hornby's sad, blinkered, midlife-crisis-as-a-lifestyle-choice world, music is only worth listening to if it reminds him of all the classic rock that made him feel funny in the tum-tum when he was 10.

Which kind of brings us back to Hornby's digestive system (metaphorical initially, but now real), lest we forget the attack that began the article; and anyway, it brings us back to Hornby as a person.

― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

gotta feeling this one's gonna get UGLY before the day is done.

― jimmie "superhymes" spicer, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:00 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, Fine, But On The EDITORIAL Page?

Thread about the original Hornby article about deez wankers.

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However, there is still a part of me that persists in thinking that rock music, and indeed all art, has an occasional role to play in the increasingly tricky art of making us glad we're alive. I'm not sure that Throbbing Gristle and its descendants will ever pull that off, but the members of Marah do, often. I hope they won't be passing around the hat by the end of this year, but if they are, please give generously.

All art must be happy, etc

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Fulltext of Hornby

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I don't see how Nick Hornby's attitudes towards music are that different from most ILM posters?

― scg, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i think scott is a good writer and i like his posts on ilm, but i thought this seemed like he was reviewing a record just strictly to bash on hornsby....i guess i'd rather him have written "why nick hornsby sucks goat balls through a crazy straw" instead of couching it in the form of a marah "review"....he obv. doesn't really give a shit about the music one way or the other...

i think hornsby's a pretty good pop novelist, and an average rock writer.....i don't think he's as evil as all that....there's lots of classic rock guys in rock journalism that are pretty much the same..

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm unclear why attacking Hornby-as-a-person is off-limits in a crtitique/attack on Hornby's Op-ed when Hornby makes himself the subject of that op-ed, at least in part. (Yes, it is "about" Marah, but in writing about Marah he brings to bear his own attitudes and experiences towards rock in general, and -- irritatingly -- assumes any sensible rock fan would share them.)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"instead of couching it in the form of a marah "review"....he obv. doesn't really give a shit about the music one way or the other..."

Did you even read the review, Matt?? Scott LIKES Marah's album, and he explains in detail what he likes about it! (And Hornby is part of the world that Scott hears Marah in now. He BELONGS in the review. And the incredible stupidity of his op-ed piece totally justify it.)

Otherwise, I am happy this thread exists, since more people will read Scott's hilarious review now. And of course I am amazed as always by the number of people apparently born lacking any sense of humor.

― chuck, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

What are we defining as a "personal attack," anyway? To my mind, a personal attack is one where a writer's thoughts and ideas are attacked on the basis of certain aspects of his life which are ultimately trivial and have no necessary bearing on the truth or falsity of those ideas. Or am I confusing "personal attack" with "ad hominem attack" when in fact they're different beasts?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

they are both the same, michael.

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"I read it as a personal attack. A little later in the same paragraph we get:

Scott is attacking Nick Hornby's IDEAS there. How is that "personal"??

xpost

― chuck, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

No, not true, Jack.

Personal: "Stupid fuck."

Ad Hominem: "Your argument can be countered by pointing out that you are a stupid fuck."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

By the way, the Voice has also been running this preview listing for Marah's local shows in recent weeks. I wonder if anybody can guess who wrote it. (Hint: It wasn't me, Scott Seward, or Nick Hornby.):

MARAH: These young old Springsteen imitators have it all -- ambition and self-consciousness, forced exuberance, a willingness to play with their fingers in their ears, and roots in good old-fashioned Anglo-American stick-to-itiveness. They can make a 47-year-old feel 43 again anytime they hit the right chord change. (Hornblower)

― chuck, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i just reread it...and i guess you're right he does talk about the marah more than it originally struck me...i guess on first read i was more distracted by the first paragraph....

i had my funny bone removed at birth.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

And of course I am amazed as always by the number of people apparently born lacking any sense of humor.

Someone's not laughing at the same things you laugh at obviously means they lack a sense of humor. I've seen you take this line before, and I find it really arrogant.

"I read it as a personal attack. A little later in the same paragraph we get:
In Hornby's sad, blinkered, midlife-crisis-as-a-lifestyle-choice world, music is only worth listening to if it reminds him of all the classic rock that made him feel funny in the tum-tum when he was 10."

Scott is attacking Nick Hornby's IDEAS there. How is that "personal"??

You don't see how "Hornby's. . .world" could be taken as a description of his life, his experience, not just ideas? Granted, having now read the Hornby article, Hornby does bring himself into the foreground a lot, so it could be difficult to extricate his life from his ideas. (But I still think the opening has too much of the whiff of not really clever smart-aleck schoolyard taunts.)

― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the Hornblower review totally has the cadences of an Xgau line.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Hornby doesn't have ideas, this is the point. He has received dogma.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

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― danh (danh), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"Your further prize is a dream date with the Man with the Penguin if it is fact Nick Hornby himself that you spot."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Hornby's relatively harmless. It amazes me how much hate he inspires here. Oh yeah, he makes money.

― shookout (shookout), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree with rockist scientist (this will surprise no-one). it's a silly, unfunny thing to write, and worse, to publish.

given all the evil in the world right now i don't think a sort of blinkered, conservative novelist-cum-music-critic really deserves this kind of opprobrium.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean i think hornby's recent articles (the one's i've read via ilm, anyway) are pretty bogus but i think the amount of invective spilled per rebuttal is inversely proportional to the thoughtfulness of the counterarguments.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

"given all the evil in the world right now"

this is silly, amateurist.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean, playing the "oh, there are worse things to be..." card can be used to shut down pretty much any criticism of anyone.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, given all the evil in the world right now, doesn't writing poetry or reading Heidegger or listening to salsa or choosing paper over plastic also seem like fatal misdirections of intellectual resources?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Hornby's relatively harmless. It amazes me how much hate he inspires here. Oh yeah, he makes money.

Mmm...Ressentiment! Is there any rockcrit behavior it can't explain?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

my "evil in the world" comment was just a silly way of saying that i think the invective is out of proportion with hornby's violations.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry if i sounded rude amst. it just seemed out of character.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Hornblower = Kogan?

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

To modify and clarify what I said earlier, I don't actually think people are getting angry at Hornby's personal experiences, what they're getting angry at is what he concludes from them. It's not that Hornby's old, it's that Hornby uses the fact of his age not only as license to say some pretty silly things about music, but also to state them as if no sensible adult could disagree. And it's not that Scott's making fun of Hornby's kid self getting all emotional about music, but the way Hornby uses that experience as the measure of all things good in rock (though I'm not actually sure Hornby really does this, exactly).

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Getting back to the Hornblower line, it is funny, but it almost makes me feel sorry for Marah -- should the sins of Hornby be visited upon them? (nb: I don't think I've never heard Marah.)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

t's not that Hornby's old, it's that Hornby uses the fact of his age not only as license to say some pretty silly things about music, but also to state them as if no sensible adult could disagree.

part of me wants to say "every damn music critic to thread" but I suppose that wouldn't be accurate.

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I think most of them aren't even old enough to say "I'VE DRINKED, SMOKED FUCKED AND LISTENED TO MORE THAN YOU HAVE HENCE I KNOW BETTER" with any kind of rhetorical oomph. I'm certainly not.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

well they are music critics

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

haha I can't really complain about Gear's statement when my last article for the Voice opened with "On MTV, the Vines provide all the funny faces, catchy hooks, and vocal gibberish that made me buy the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" cassingle in elementary school, but none of the overwrought importance that magazines eventually made me "appreciate" about the song and its makers. God bless."

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

i cant for the life of me figure out what your opinion of the vines is based on that excerpt.

― peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Miccio's opinion on The Vines, based on that post: he thinks that they have all the fun lements of Nirvana but none of the baggage. He deems this to be a good thing.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

err, fun *elements*, that is.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought you meant "fun laments" which I was gonna say OTMFM YO

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Well yeah, they have those, too. But keep in mind I am only parsing other people's sentences, it's my thing.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 1 July 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"parsing"

"sentences"

"my thing"

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 1 July 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that with this post, what Gear is basically saying is that he's fond of subtle recontextualization and the removal of integral parts of other people's posts. I don't think he really meant to hurt Nick Hornsby or anything, and I don't think saying that he wishes that the pope had a bigger dick is fair, either, though i can certainly see how it could be interpreted as such.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 1 July 2004 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"please just two more inches, master"

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/china.50/inside.china/profiles/dalai.lama/link.pope.jpg

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 1 July 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

that hornblower review is funny as fuck.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 1 July 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

anyway shookout, don't you think affirmative action is reverse racism or something? stupid fucking neo-con backwards logic booolshit.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 1 July 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like Hornby obviously but the "shit" line doesn't strike me as particularly clever.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 1 July 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course, I haven't forgiven SS for that El-P review.

― djdee2005, Thursday, 1 July 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

One person above got Hornblower's identity right, that's all I'll say.

(And oh yeah Scott's El-P review was even funnier than his Marah one.)

― chuck, Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Hornblower is Christgau. And boy, aren't you and the Dean really pushing the boundaries of thoughtful criticism over at the Voice. It takes a real man to write up a lame attack piece disguised as a show preview and then not sign his real name to. Kudos, Chuck Eddy. Kudos Uncle Bob.

― chucksucks, Thursday, 1 July 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Gee Nick, if you wanna be all nasty about anonymity, why are you doin' it yrself?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 1 July 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

god, the spinelessness of people on the internet never ceases to amaze me

― benito mussolinington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

well, considering we're just a bunch of electrons firing through cross-oceanic cables, it's not too surprising.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno, if you're gonna be nasty at least be upfront about it!

― benito mussolinington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I, for one, remain yours, humbly, and forever, Scott Seward.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah right. You're really Maria and vice versa. And in fact both of you are Rufus.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and before the 2 week ILX shutdown, I would like to say to Rockist, you aren't on my shit-list. Not even close. I like when people express their opinion. It's one of the reasons that I used to have my e-mail address printed at the end of my reviews for the Voice. The only reason that I haven't been posting on this thread Is because I wanted to make sure that everyone who had something nice to say about me got the chance!! Hahahahaha!! Your checks are in the mail.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Hurrah! More zeroes on mine plz.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

scott, that's good to hear. I didn't single you out based on any past ILM encounters with you. (I don't think there have had any bad ones.)

Maybe I should get a check too, for the publicity. (And you should get one from Hornby for getting me to read his boring article I otherwise probably wouldn't have seen.)

― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 1 July 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)

oh no!!! there are like half a dozen people called "Nick" here and I don't know which one I just lost respect for!! oh NO!!!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 1 July 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey don't I get a check, too?? (At least if I admit it was indeed really dumb of me to suggest that Rockist doesn't have a sense of humor just because he doesn't have *my* {or Scott's} sense of humor?)

― Nick Eddy, former Detroit Lions running back, Thursday, 1 July 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Chuck, I will buy you a lobster roll when you get here this weekend.

Rockist, I will send you a gift certificate to Tony Lukes good for one pork sandwich.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 1 July 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

You are trying to kill me.

(Actually I do indulge in a messy Tony Lukes sandwich now and then.)

― Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 1 July 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

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