http://www.astralwerks.com/eno/albums.html
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― harveyw (harveyw), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 1 July 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)
Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy)-- named for a Maoist opera-- is, in contrast to Paul Morley's cloying, written-in-a-night liner notes for these reissues, not the best of Brian Eno's first four pop records.
Written in a night, maybe, but clearly not read in a night by Chris Ott, or even read at all. If he'd gone through the whole thing he might have got the joke; Morley declares each of these four albums Eno's best. It seems that Post-Modernism (and let's make no mistake about this, Morley is a pomo critic) just hasn't reached American rock crit yet. Or even humour.
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― the bellefox, Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 1 July 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:00 (twenty-one years ago)
If this weren't pomo (and if we didn't know that Morley came up in the heyday of pomo, the late 70s and 80s), Morley would just be some oddball eccentric. He's not. He's taking rock criticism to places few others have been thoroughgoing enough (or self-indulgent enough, but what exactly is the critic's self when his declarations are bluff?) to go.
Chris, I don't understand how you can refute, seriously, a superlative which gives itself a fuzzy status by being applied to all the records under review. Such a superlative is clearly no longer a superlative, and therefore does not support refutation.
I disagree that Morley's notes were 'damningly distanced from the subject'. What's so great about his tone is the fact that, while being completely unreliable / playful and pomo, he also manages to be completely sincere. We really can believe that, while he's listening to each album, he does believe it's the best of the four, and leaves that contradiction intact in his account because, while being patently absurd and impossible, it actually does say something about what listening to music feels like. It's a permanently jubilant present to which we submit our ego and its illusory consistencies.
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― the fairfox, Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)
It was more like Roberts than Morley. But Morley nipped, I mean ripped, it off.
― the bellefox, Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)
It is a fact that the very maddest of people on this thread is Momus.
It is a fact that these are not facts.
It is a fact that Momus and Paul Morley are about the same age, share a French-influenced intellectual outlook (and a British need to debunk it), and both come from a funny little post-modernist island where everything is secondhand and sincerity is not as simple as it looks. What's more, they seem to share a sense of the absurd, and how being arty and being funny, or being sincere and being slippery, are not at all at odds. Lewis Carroll also came from this odd little island, a fact which is neither here nor there, but crucial.
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)
'Did he say that?'
'Look, it's there in black and white!'
'But he also said the very maddest of people on this thread was himself!'
'That's neither here nor there, but crucial.'
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)
But he does come across as an oddball eccentric here, and I've read and enjoyed 'words and music' as well as much of his work for TV.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 1 July 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)
Here Come The Warm Jets is the only Eno record of it's kind, and the only record of it's kind.
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― nabiscothingy, Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)
For the record, I don't think I've ever seen rock liner notes that weren't ill-formed, rhetorically overheated, or grammatically appalling (particularly w/r/t comma usage, for some reason). So I'm ill-equipped to find any particular example of them particularly shameful.
But the "it's his best" routine is cute. I'm not even sure I'd describe it as a "joke" -- just a cute rhetorical routine.
― nabiscothingy, Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― nabiscothingy, Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― nabiscothingy, Thursday, 1 July 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)
It does sound like he cares bcz I agreed with the basic track descriptions, the running pun through it links it all well because there was a sense of Brian developing his music across those four records.
I just had a quick look and there were other things like throwing a lot of names and maybe not explaining how it works in to the music but post-'words and music' that makes sense to me.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 1 July 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)