Tapes + orchestra/chamber

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berio 'laborintus II'
nono 'como una ola fuerza y luz' (and much of his stuff)
cage 'roaratorio' (can't quite remember, but me thinks so)

list away...

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 18 July 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

varese - deserts

hey julio does that berio track have a tape of the exact same thing the orchestra is playing sliding underneath?

gaz (gaz), Sunday, 18 July 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Xenakis, "Krannnerg" (sp?)

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 18 July 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

gaz- I only gave it one listen on friday and as far as I could make out it was an electronic sound.

forgot varese and xenakis but have those two. any recent things?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 19 July 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah the laborintus II tape is purely electronic sounds

are you being strict here about "tape", julio? Or will any large-scale electroacoustic piece qualify? e.g. what about "Répons" by Boulez?

Jeff W (zebedee), Monday, 19 July 2004 10:05 (twenty-one years ago)

not strict. But I'm looking for combination of electronic and acoustic sound in the same piece.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 19 July 2004 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

OK then:

Tristan Murail - Désintégrations
Alejandro Viñao - Triple Concerto
Jonathan Harvey - Madonna of Winter and Spring
Boulez - Répons
George Benjamin - Antara
Berio - Ofanim (not sure if this has ever been recorded)

(a very IRCAM-biased list, I know)

Jeff W (zebedee), Monday, 19 July 2004 10:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't have any of those (so thanks) but yr IRCAM based list reminded me of Kaija saaraiho's wonderful 'six japanese gardens'.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 19 July 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

gavin bryers - jesus blood (orig vers, natch)

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

wish there were more people on this thread.

anyways:

berio: differences
ianu dumitrescu: grand ourse; the second moira

and on a slight tangent

alvin lucier: crossings; septet for three winds, four strings and pure wave oscillator; music for piano with slow sweep pure wave oscillators

george russell: sonata for souls loved by nature 68 (ok, its jazz - but hey the tape stuff works really well here)

gimme a yell if you need any of these julio

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I was blown away by Berio's 'Differences'. The tape part was constructed from recordings of the instrumental parts, it's a very early hyper-orchestra piece where the seams gradually break apart. Either the original sixties recording or the Julliard one.

stockhausen - microphonie II, kontakte for percussion & tape, hymnen for orchestra

(Jon L), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i have the juillard one and i just listened again to it. is the tape part recreated on each performance for these sort of things or do they use the orig tape?

in other news i listened to the lucier and my nose started bleeding!

gaz (gaz), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

>do they use the orig tape?

yes. which is why the original recording has an edge, I have a suspicion berio's tape piece was created from recordings of the same players in the same studio: the balance between parts is perfectly transparent, so when the tape finally breaks with acoustic reality it's very striking. but the engineering & performance on the Juillard is great too. There was a later recording which buries the tape part in reverb, I don't recommend it.

(Jon L), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

cool, 'laborintus II' was the actual inspiration for the thread, and after listening to berio's 'cora' over the weekend (no electronic bits there) I'm def on a berio trip.

er...hope you're ok gaz, will mail later.

now go ans my takemitsu thread if you can.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

GY!BE
*ducks*

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

five months pass...
that's ok barry :-)

sorry that I forgot to email you gaz.

richard barrett 'opening of the mouth' is another one. excellent tape only part in the middle of that.

I like the george russell lots.

have heard 'repons' since then too, remember liking the electronic elements but not so much the acoustic sections.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 7 January 2005 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)


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