Tapes + orchestra/chamber

varese - deserts

hey julio does that berio track have a tape of the exact same thing the orchestra is playing sliding underneath?

Xenakis, "Krannnerg" (sp?)

gaz- I only gave it one listen on friday and as far as I could make out it was an electronic sound.

forgot varese and xenakis but have those two. any recent things?

yeah the laborintus II tape is purely electronic sounds

are you being strict here about "tape", julio? Or will any large-scale electroacoustic piece qualify? e.g. what about "Répons" by Boulez?

not strict. But I'm looking for combination of electronic and acoustic sound in the same piece.

OK then:

Tristan Murail - Désintégrations
Alejandro Viñao - Triple Concerto
Jonathan Harvey - Madonna of Winter and Spring
Boulez - Répons
George Benjamin - Antara
Berio - Ofanim (not sure if this has ever been recorded)

(a very IRCAM-biased list, I know)

Don't have any of those (so thanks) but yr IRCAM based list reminded me of Kaija saaraiho's wonderful 'six japanese gardens'.

gavin bryers - jesus blood (orig vers, natch)

wish there were more people on this thread.

anyways:

berio: differences
ianu dumitrescu: grand ourse; the second moira

and on a slight tangent

alvin lucier: crossings; septet for three winds, four strings and pure wave oscillator; music for piano with slow sweep pure wave oscillators

george russell: sonata for souls loved by nature 68 (ok, its jazz - but hey the tape stuff works really well here)

gimme a yell if you need any of these julio

I was blown away by Berio's 'Differences'. The tape part was constructed from recordings of the instrumental parts, it's a very early hyper-orchestra piece where the seams gradually break apart. Either the original sixties recording or the Julliard one.

stockhausen - microphonie II, kontakte for percussion & tape, hymnen for orchestra

i have the juillard one and i just listened again to it. is the tape part recreated on each performance for these sort of things or do they use the orig tape?

in other news i listened to the lucier and my nose started bleeding!

>do they use the orig tape?

yes. which is why the original recording has an edge, I have a suspicion berio's tape piece was created from recordings of the same players in the same studio: the balance between parts is perfectly transparent, so when the tape finally breaks with acoustic reality it's very striking. but the engineering & performance on the Juillard is great too. There was a later recording which buries the tape part in reverb, I don't recommend it.

cool, 'laborintus II' was the actual inspiration for the thread, and after listening to berio's 'cora' over the weekend (no electronic bits there) I'm def on a berio trip.

er...hope you're ok gaz, will mail later.

now go ans my takemitsu thread if you can.

GY!BE
*ducks*

that's ok barry :-)

sorry that I forgot to email you gaz.

richard barrett 'opening of the mouth' is another one. excellent tape only part in the middle of that.

I like the george russell lots.

have heard 'repons' since then too, remember liking the electronic elements but not so much the acoustic sections.