Tyrannosaurus Hives: It could be worse...right?

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Wrong. I find it hard to believe that the Hives could have made an album worse than Tyrannosaurus Hives.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 19 July 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Why did P'Fork give it a 7.5 if they felt like ripping on it so much?

― I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.hivesmusic.com/images/newsphoto_02.jpg

― I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the single so much that any massive disdain for it will only increase my desire to hear it asap.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 July 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

They're awful aren't they?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 19 July 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

They have an article in NEWSWEEK, which is where *I* learn about new music.

― I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh man, I would love to spend a year refusing to read anything about music except what's in Newsweek.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 July 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

watch the payola puff pieces roll in

― I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

newsweek music educationz

― I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I take it back.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Honestly, this is better than I thought it would be, definitely an improvement on VVV, after I heard the lackluster single I really didn't think they had anything left in the can, but the rest of the album is quite varied and generally alot of fun - "Two Timing Touch and Broken Bones" "Diabolic Scheme" and "Dead Quote Olympics" are standouts.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Did people really expect The Hives to reinvent the wheel or something? It's a decent, solid album - nothing more, nothing less.

― Avi (Avi), Monday, 19 July 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, the single is easily the worst song on the album. I haven't yet decided if it's better/worse than VVV, but it's a pretty good album. And that Newsweek piece is just bizarre— are people really expecting them to blow up bigtime?

― Nick Mirov (nick), Monday, 19 July 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

we have big plastic bags in the store right now with a picture of the hives on them. i try not to give them to people because its uncomfortable when they give me the "ew they nasty" look.

― jess, Monday, 19 July 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

after Jet, I'm glad for the return of the Hives. or at least not angry. yes, not angry. that's it.

― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 19 July 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

none of you like the pop-rock, do ya.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 July 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I really liked the album sampler I listened to, but I think thats all I need. Unlike many of the other carhold bands the guitar is played very fast and I am a sucker for this which is why I also like the Wedding Present.

― artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 19 July 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Lest it sound like I'm too much of a Hives enthusiast, I only am keeping four tracks (and the videos!) from the last album (the three singles plus "Outsmarted"). It's just that between the videos, interviews and singles I can't understand Hives hate at all.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

once again, mr miccio, yer tastes make me shake my head in sorrowful confusion.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, cozen used to POST

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

count me in on Hives fans, altho i haven't heard the single nor the album. this will be the difficult 3rd album i imagine.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

They've kind of taken Supergrass' place haven't they?

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I sort of like the Hives actually. They are fun and seem to have the right spirit about things. And once again they are not Jet. Nor the Vines.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

they sound like early RFTC (y'know, the good RFTC ca. 90-91) to these ears.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

They're perfectly and beautifully full of shit. (The singles are good (but I haven't heard the new one).)

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I like them, they're fun.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys are all fags.

― I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 11:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The album sounds like a fuzzy Devo to me. I think that's a good thing.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys are all fags.
-- I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (░▒▓█▌...) (webmail), July 20th, 2004 5:39 AM. (ex machina) (later) (link)

what do you mean by this jon?

― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

i really wouldn't bother dude

― Ade (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I learnt tonight that The Hives are best listened to whilist fucking a man up the ass.

― artdamages (artdamages), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i listened to it a couple of times yesterday and i didn't hear anything as good as the singles off the last one, but it sounds better and the guitars are pretty fucking great

― danh (danh), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I think these guys are okay; I am listening to the new album, and it's okay. But it is far far far from one of the best albums in its genre -- played up against, say, the new Paybacks or Black Lips or Hiss or Comets on Fire or Living Things album, it sounds really run of the mill. And considering these guys come from the same country as the Nomads, who were maybe the best '60s-garage style band of the past 20 years (not to mention the Caesars, who are way better right now) (etc.), I'm kinda stumped why people act like the Hives are so amazing. (But at least their new album isn't half as half assed than the new Libertines one, which I barely made it through once.)

― chuck, Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooops...actually, the Gore Gore Girls (and maybe some other bands I'm not thinking of right now) are probably better than the Nomads, come to think of it, so I changed my mind about that part.

― chuck, Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I do like "A Little More For Little You" on the Hives album, though - how the singer says "Hollywood" (if that's what he's saying -- maybe it's "all in one"?) reminds me of Streetheart! I don't really get the Devo comparisons, though. They sound more like a powerpop band to me (and for a powerpop band, I have to admit, they're pretty damn good). Sometimes they also remind me of the Pixies, weirdly enough (and for a Pixies band, they're pretty damn good too, I guess.)

― chuck, Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, this album is growing on me. I think it's better than their last couple. (Yeah, I knew them back in Gearhead days, before they were stars.) So maybe I spoke too soon, I dunno. "Missing Link" is totally in the tradition of "Troglodyte" by Jimmy Castor and "Neanderthal Man" by Hot Legs (and maybe "Mongoloid" by Devo??), unless it isn't.

― chuck, Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

>>>I'm kinda stumped why people act like the Hives are so amazing.

but chuck, the hives wear suits. SUITS.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Good call on the powerpop tag, chuck. I hear a pretty big Cheap Trick influence in the new single (or maybe that's just because they took the verse hook from "Taxman, Mr. Thief").

― drew, Friday, 23 July 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

x is better than y who are better than z whose first album is better than the third album of q who sound a lot like s who really are just ripping off of l, whose first record is the best of all time, except for the fourteenth by d. maybe.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 23 July 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

just to clarify: all letters below "r" ROCK.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 23 July 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I really liked the new single, which is all I've heard of the album so far. It's zesty. If you were looking for orignality from them, um.... _insert snarky comment here_

― Vic (Vic), Friday, 23 July 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't say there was anything *wrong* with the Hives' particular brand of unoriginality. The song is fucking zesty, the rhythm section cooks, and you could say they do something better with the melodic phrase than cheap trick, definitely more atavistic-primitive, in a good way.

― drew, Friday, 23 July 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

This album is fucking awesome despite not having any songs that would stand out as much as the singles from the last record. Anyone's entitled to hate on this, but mind you people get on a roll with the "prodigy" threads and let it carry over to shit like this.

― johnny and luther (johnny and luther), Friday, 23 July 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

ZESTY

― Ade (Adrian Langston), Friday, 23 July 2004 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree johnny, it's really growing on me. and where the last one had two really amazing songs and a bunch of filler, this one doesn't let up.

― danh (danh), Friday, 23 July 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, perhaps I was hasty in starting this thread altogether. A few more listens and things are beginning to stick (like spaghetti to the wall).

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 23 July 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I an asshole if I just repost this on every single ILM thread?

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Friday, 23 July 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Somebody already reposted it on one. (Let's just say it begat a discussion about whether X is better than M, and stuff like that.)

At any rate, I decided over the weekend that I don't think the new Hives album is as good as *VVV* after all. I'm not even sure they're that great a powerpop band, to be honest. I like the new Bowling for Soup single, "1985," better than anything on *Tyrannasaurus Hives,* I think (And the best songs on Jet's album -- i.e., the ones that sound like AC/DC -- are better than anything on the Hives album, too.)

― chuck, Monday, 26 July 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Chuck, you so crazy.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Somebody already reposted it on one. (Let's just say it begat a discussion about whether X is better than M, and stuff like that.)

are you joking or did i miss this thread?

are they really a *powerpop* band? they don't really sound to me like what usually is characterized as a powerpop band, like the shoes or raspberries or the knack or something.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say they're closer to the Vibrators (or maybe 999, or Generation X?), just not as good. (Powerpop punk, we used to call that stuff.) (A few bands who've done it way better in the past couple years, by the way: FM Knives, the Briefs, Exploding Hearts R.I.P.)

― chuck, Monday, 26 July 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Gearhead merely licensed the records for American distro in the late 90s, their Swedish label was Burning Heart. These guys have been around for quite a while.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah the vibrators (x) connection makes sense. although i like the hives (y) better than x. y - x = shocking blue. possibly.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I WISH I heard some Shocking Blue in the Hives' music!! (Or even some Golden Earring or Focus, for that matter!) (The one Scandinavian Gearhead Records pop-punk-metal-garage band these days whose music I actually DO hear Shocking Blue in: Mensen. Who are great.)

― chuck, Monday, 26 July 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Mensen! Let's talk about them some more, they rule.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

chuck, how do comets on fire and the hives have ANYTHING in common?

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i think the hives are really well recorded/produced. they have a nice *sound*, above all.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

RE: Hives/Comets on Fire question....Uh, people classify both of them as "garage revivial bands"? (The Knickerbockers and Blue Cheer are both on *Nuggets* reissue albums, aren't they?)

― chuck, Monday, 26 July 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i picture/hear comets on fire playing on the moon, not in a garage

i picture/hear the hives as the annoying band next door who won't shut up

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I sorta think of Comets on Fire as agreeably stoned hippies on meth.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean, are the hives psychedelic in the LEAST BIT?!

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

who said they were?

― chuck, Monday, 26 July 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The Knickerbockers weren't very psychedelic.

― Tim Ellison, Monday, 26 July 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

SWEDISH JOCK ROCK vs STONER PSYCHE-NOISE ROCK

they have NOTHING in common. i don't see comets on fire as part of the garage-rock revival as it is known today.

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Would Plastic Crimewave Sound qualify?

― Tim Ellison, Monday, 26 July 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

calling the hives jocks is actually very funny... haha.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, they would fit so well on a JOCK JAMS cd. let's get pumped for the BIG GAME! WOOOOOOOOOOOO

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 26 July 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

See thing is, Cutty, acid rock pretty clearly emerged out of (what later wound up being called) garage rock, and bands like the Amboy Dukes and Electric Prunes and Seeds and Black Pearl and Vanilla Fudge and Steppenwolf and Dragonfly and Frost and Frigid Pink and SRC and Blue Cheer and the Stooges and MC5 were sort of bridges between the two, and those later bands are pretty clearly (to me) from the era that the Comets on Fire are harking back to and taking off from, aren't they? That makes them a garage revival band, whether you like it or not, though it's hardly the same garage the Hives are reviving. But nobody said it was.

― chuck, Monday, 26 July 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't like it one bit

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 26 July 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

The transition only involved switching from a Vox Super Beatle to a Marshall.

― Tim Ellison, Monday, 26 July 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

switching from MESCALINE to METHAMPHETAMINE?

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 26 July 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually (back to the original topic at hand), the Hives' most consistent collection of songs now that I think of it is probably still *a.k.a. I-D-I-O-T* or however they spelled it, a six song EP they put out three or four years ago.

― chuck, Monday, 26 July 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

~re: the Power Pop connection...I read an interview w/ the singer somewhere where he was going on about how cheap Power Pop vinyl stuff is in Sweden these days, so he's certainly been listening to the stuff a lot.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 26 July 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Who the bloody hell are the Postal Service?

― George W. ILX (ex machina), Monday, 26 July 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned mentioned Mensen. Let's praise them for a bit. "The Night Before the Morning After" = splendid song, better than any Hives song on VVV. I'm so ambivalent about the Hives. I often think I'm missing something. But they really never did it for me. They don't even annoy me.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 26 July 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The album is a letdown, despite my expectations not being high to begin with.

They are certainly NOT, as SPIN might describe them, the best live band in the world.

This album is making me dread the new Mooney Suzuki album quite a bit more.

― dan carville weiner, Monday, 26 July 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The new Mooney Suzuki album is interesting in theory -- their best previous music (i.e., their one good song -- the one about summer and Suzi or whatever) sounded more like Eddie Money than like the MC5, and getting the Matrix to produce/co-write their new stuff seems like a courageous acknowledgement that their future is in pop hackdom. That said, when I listened to it, it still didn't sound very good.

― chuck, Monday, 26 July 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

how about the school of rock theme? you could say that's the mooney suzuki's finest hour, and it's this great big melange of pop-rock history. maybe they should just have jack black sing all the songs on their new alb.

― drew, Monday, 26 July 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, cozen used to POST

huh?

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 26 July 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought the mooney suzuki were generally accepted to be crap

― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

who said otherwise, amateur!st?

― chuck, Monday, 26 July 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

One presumes the band themselves say otherwise.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 July 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i sort of read into the post saying they were "dreading" the new mooney suzuki as implying the poster had some stake in it, i.e. the once liked the band. i could be wrong.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 26 July 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

chuck, that bald fat dude on mtv told me the mooney suzuki were the shit.

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Monday, 26 July 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

he got fired. i know why he got fired, but i can't speak about it here.

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 26 July 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

oooo, vast rightwing viacom conspiracy!

― drew, Monday, 26 July 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

it's funny how you don't realize mtv personalites have stopped working there until a year later. like, when kennedy just DISAPPEARED from the roster.

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 26 July 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

JON SENCIO WHERE ARE YOU NOW?

― bill stevens (bscrubbins), Monday, 26 July 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

idalis was the goddess of my teenage idolatry.

― drew, Monday, 26 July 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

she's now a stripper on six feet under.

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 26 July 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

that is profoundly depressing news. makes me wish i had hbo.

― drew, Monday, 26 July 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

this is as good a time as any to reveal I'm actually Lewis Largent.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 26 July 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

This album might wind up being my favorite of the year. Devo meets Nuggets but faster.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

The funny thing is, as I said upthread, I thought the problem with the last album was that it was too shrill. This album is even shriller and I love it. I think I just like the song writing and the rhythms more. They also gave Howling Pelle's voice a little more room.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

So you don't really know what you like?

― why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I like fast, scabrous pop-rock songs about how people are fucking stupid.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a self-reflexive Hives album?

― why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

feel good, like a little man should

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

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