"When everything is everybody’s, then nobody owns anything."
― I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 19 July 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)
Also I used to listen to a lot of Big Black in my heavily-sedated days.
― adam (adam), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 19 July 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)
l-dopa, natch
― common_person (common_person), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 19 July 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gribowitz (Lynskey), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)
http://www.starla.org/articles/billlisa.htm
LR: Pavement had some nasty lyrics about you on one of their albums. Did the groovy, indie scene turn on you when you got popular?BC: Sure. But my whole thing is that people don't fall in love to Pavement, people don't get up in the morning before they go to school and put on Big Black. They put on Smashing Pumpkins or Hole or Nirvana, because these bands actually mean something to them. It's the difference between music you put on to take drugs to, and music you put on to live your life.
BC: Sure. But my whole thing is that people don't fall in love to Pavement, people don't get up in the morning before they go to school and put on Big Black. They put on Smashing Pumpkins or Hole or Nirvana, because these bands actually mean something to them. It's the difference between music you put on to take drugs to, and music you put on to live your life.
― I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 19 July 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 19 July 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)
"I still (heart) the Pumpkins though"
I found that amazing since his attitude circa Siamese Dream was "so what if I'm a sellout?"
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 19 July 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)
It's one thing to say it, another to do it, I think. Corgan's said a lot of stupid stuff, and will continue to say stupid stuff, but I'm not sure he's actually done a lot of stupid stuff. At least, no stupider than anyone else. If he's turning down millions of dollars by refusing to sell his songs for ads, I say bully for him.
Of course, this is not to say he won't do it next year.
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)
BILLY CORGAN LEARN WORDS PLS THX K BYE
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)
Anybody else here dress like Nosferatu for a few years, one spent with Kenny Aaronoff making angry faces behind you? I don't think so.
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― kephm, Monday, 19 July 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)
I think that if he was in the position of being offered these deals circa Siamese..., he'd probably take 'em. Which is fine, it's not like I look to people like him for consistency anyway (or for consistency in general - it's the hobgoblin of small minds don'tchaknow?). But I do think it's incredibly easy for him to make statements like that about his not wanting to do ads with those songs because he's already a multi-millionaire anyway. I mean, if "Today" was so freakin' special, why dress up like an ice cream man in a video for it?
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)
Robotussin and malt liquor.
― earlnash, Monday, 19 July 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)
Don't tell Gygax!
― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)
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― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)
WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/history/VonBraun/Celebrating.gif
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 19 July 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Huck, Monday, 19 July 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 19 July 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― kephm, Monday, 19 July 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 19 July 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)
http://users.adelphia.net/~jrfisher/images/camping.jpg
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 19 July 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 19 July 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 19 July 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 19 July 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 19 July 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)
But really, Gish and Siamese Dream are actually pretty good!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Monday, 19 July 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)
Would he have any reason not to think that if he had somehow neglected to read the one issue of Artforum that might have shed some light on the subject? I mean, I understand the concept of writing in a different voice, but if a dude in one '90's alternarock band writes a song that references another '90's alternarock band, it seems like the simplest assumption would be that he's talking in his own voice, unless the singer gives you reason to think otherwise from the rest of the lyrics to the song, which I'm pretty sure Malkmus doesn't. Not catching an extremely obscure reference that maybe 20 or 30 people in the world (or however many people subscribe to Artforum) would get doesn't make Corgan the asshole.
― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)
Did Stone Temple Pilots ever comment on "Range Life?"
― mike a, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)
I read an interview with the guitarist (Robert DeLeo, I think?) who thought it was really funny and said Pavement was his current favorite band. "They do the most amazing slag on us in this one song" was the gist of the quote.
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)
It seemed like Malkmus was proposing that Pavement circa S&E/CRCR didn't have much to do with the Smashing Pumpkins crowd, and vice versa. Though it must have also been fun to sing about how "I could really give a fuck" about the Smashing Pumpkins, knowing how steamed Billy would get.
That's interesting too because this was also around the time of the biggest hit Pavement would ever score: "Cut Your Hair."
I don't remember Albini saying anything bad about poor Billy. I would think those nice houses and the Ferrari would be enough solace for Mr. Corgan, to protect him from a guy who makes $24,000 a year.
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)
are any pavement songs truly coherent in their POV?
what's so incoherent about "Range Life?"
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)
Do you think Albini is the type of guy who could live with debt (ie, knowing he owes something to somebody)? I certainly don't!
Like some genius once sang: "Boy, you gotta pay your dues, before you pay your rent"!
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)
No, he does not seem like the kind of person to want to carry personal debt, but I stress (yet again!) that Electrical's finances are separate from any individual that works there.
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)
I don't know about the studio in his former house on the Northwest Side, but I doubt that that was financed in any way besides personal debt and/or savings (he did have a day job up until 1986). Since he sold that house to a friend, I doubt there were many proceeds he could've used from the sale towards building Electrical, which is a multi-million-dollar facility. In other things I've read by Albini, he has mentioned revolving credit from financial institutions as being essential to starting new studios, so I'm assuming he's talking from experience.
In my experience, Steve is anything but a grudgeful person.
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Richard K (Richard K), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)
So the world really is a vampire?
― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)
he was very polite even though he played my college! Poor guy, dumb college kids all around.
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:07 (twenty-one years ago)
i called. and promptly blanked on what i had made up to ask ol' steve.
― eedd, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― edde, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)
OK, not I'm just being needlessly caustic.
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Antoine, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)
When I am king he will be first against the wall.Wakka wakka wakka!
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Antoine, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)
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Is that from "My Neck, My Back"? -- Curt1sss (sevenxvii...), July 20th, 2004.
If you want to know, that's "Disposable Heroes" from Metallica's classic Master of Puppets album.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 20 July 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)
-- hstencil (hstenc!...), July 20th, 2004.i bet that's who answered in a very angered tone...maybe that's what threw me off. the angrah!!!11!
-- edde (e...), July 20th, 2004.
try living with him.
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (ex machina), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)
eek.
no thank you, sir. i believe i'll stick with my gf.and the cats.
they're bad, though. and she gets PMS, so, that's sorta the same, right?
yeah...i know.it's not.
― eedd, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)
I bet he was oh so sympathetic to the plight of the mourning deadhead.
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)
-- I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THE ZONE (zon...), July 21st, 2004.
Your ways are mysterious, Jon.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― benton, #1 fan (jackcole), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)