"Stanley Crouch slaps fellow critic"

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Can’t anybody just savor a metaphor anymore?

by Tom Scocca

Can’t anybody just savor a metaphor anymore? This past weekend, John Leonard wrote a scathing takedown of Dale Peck’s volume of collected criticism, Hatchet Jobs, for The New York Times Book Review. In the piece, Mr. Leonard variously referred to Mr. Peck as a "hot dog," a "vampire bat" and an "East German border guard."


But Mr. Leonard’s inventive vigor, headlined "Smash-Mouth Criticism," was overshadowed by more literal events: Among the essays in Mr. Peck’s book is one he wrote for The New Republic in 2000, savaging Stanley Crouch’s novel Don’t the Moon Look Lonesome ("No," Mr. Peck concluded, " … it doesn’t"). On July 13, Mr. Crouch crossed paths with Mr. Peck at Tartine and took the opportunity to, well ….


"He wasn’t smashed in the mouth, man, come on," Mr. Crouch said when reached by telephone. "He was not punched."


The not-a-punch ("I actually slapped him," Mr. Crouch said) reportedly left a mark on the face of the younger but smaller Mr. Peck. Mr. Crouch remained unblemished, even figuratively.


"Figuratively" means that Mr. Crouch could have gotten something in return that affected him like a slap in the face, without Mr. Peck or anyone else actually hitting him. Somebody could have written something about Mr. Crouch’s behavior that hurt his feelings, for instance. Or somebody could have punished Mr. Crouch by not letting him write for a publication.


The press seems to be having a little trouble distinguishing between verbal and physical harm lately. Earlier this month, New York Post Page Six contributor Ian Spiegelman dashed off an e-mail to writer Douglas Dechert threatening to "push your face inside-out in private or public" and to see "how many times I can slam my fist into your face before someone pulls me off."


Mr. Spiegelman’s note evoked David Mamet’s goofily mannered tough-guy syntax ("in my world you’re nothing but a two-bit lame") more than the specter of real physical harm. But it got him swiftly dismissed from Page Six.


"The language and the tone of his e-mail are completely unacceptable to the New York Post," Post editor Col Allan explained in a statement issued through a spokesperson.


Moral: It’s not acceptable to threaten somebody with violence. Just skip ahead to the violence! Post political reporter Vince Morris, who got in an on-camera fracas with a TV cameraman in a Senate hearing room this month, is in the clear after sending his assailant sprawling. "Our reporter was defending himself," Mr. Allan said through the spokesperson. "The tape speaks for itself."


And Mr. Crouch, who writes a column for the Daily News, need not fear a pink slip, either. His status with the paper is unchanged since the incident with Mr. Peck, said Daily News spokeswoman Eileen Murphy. "He’s a freelance contractor," Ms. Murphy said. "The Daily News isn’t going to comment on it."


According to Mr. Crouch, calls and letters of congratulations have been flooding in, praising his non-verbal approach. "I knew this guy was disliked, but I had no idea how disliked," he said. A dozen letters? Two dozen? "Somewhere in there, yeah," Mr. Crouch said.


At one point in the conversation, Mr. Crouch excused himself to answer his call-waiting. "That was just another celebratory call," he said when he clicked back. "They said, ‘Good job, good job! All praises due!’"


On Sunday night, when Mr. Crouch was a guest on Topic A with Tina Brown, his hostess teased him during the closing credits for being "naughty." "You bitch-slapped Dale Peck?" Ms. Brown asked. Mr. Peck is homosexual; on the phone, Mr. Crouch emphasized that "bitch-slapped" is "a term I don’t approve of." Ms. Brown did not return messages seeking comment.


But though he renounced Ms. Brown’s undertones, Mr. Crouch didn’t protest her main message on the air. Nor did the other guests on the show.


"Is he getting a pass?" said New York Times media reporter David Carr, one of Mr. Crouch’s fellow panelists on the show. "Yeah. He’s probably built up some equities over time."


Mr. Crouch has also built up some fat lips and bruises on other people over time, having reportedly turned to blows on multiple occasions. But the quiet media consensus is that it’s better to assault people than to insult them, as Mr. Peck has done.


"Part of the reason that people aren’t rising to this guy’s defense is that he’s made his share of enemies over time," Mr. Carr said of Mr. Peck.


New Republic literary editor Leon Wieseltier, who published Mr. Peck’s review of Mr. Crouch’s novel, expressed disgust at the reaction to Mr. Crouch’s flare-up. Mr. Peck’s unpopularity, Mr. Wieseltier said, "makes it more necessary to be clear that what Stanley did is unacceptable.


"Hitting someone for something they’ve written represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the intellectual’s vocation," Mr. Wieseltier said.


Mr. Carr said that he has no desire to see violence become "a motif of Manhattan publishing culture."


"Michael’s would be uninhabitable," he said.


And Mr. Crouch himself sought to play down the importance of the blow. "What happened between him and me is basically trivial," he said.


"Frankly," Mr. Crouch declared, "I think that whatever misbehavior—large or small, in the great past or the recent past of my life—I don’t think that’s going to stand up next to my writing."


Why hit somebody, then? By turning the literary dispute into a physical one, Mr. Crouch was bowing to the power of words. As antagonists, Mr. Crouch and Mr. Peck share a similarity of outlook: In his review of Mr. Crouch’s novel, Mr. Peck declared that "the rightness or the wrongness of his evaluation always gives way to getting over, getting a rise, scoring points off his opponent."


I know you are, but what am I? Mr. Peck’s reviews, Mr. Crouch said, are "stepping stones to bring attention to himself," and his primary critical message is "that he’s so much better than whoever it is he’s talking about."


In a showdown between two competitive writers, taking a swing means you’re the loser. Mr. Wieseltier said that after Mr. Peck’s review ran in The New Republic, he offered Mr. Crouch—also a contributor to the magazine—"ample space" to write a rebuttal. "I knew that Dale’s piece would be very wounding," Mr. Wieseltier said. "And I wanted to be fair."


According to Mr. Wieseltier, Mr. Crouch repeatedly told him that the rebuttal was in the works. "Nothing materialized," Mr. Wieseltier said. "Except this punch."


Mr. Crouch seemed to be resigning himself to nonverbal combat. A few hours after an initial conversation about the incident, he called back to offer an inspiration: "I think in the future, altercations of this sort should lead to further action," he said. "I think the two men should agree to meet in a specific place and throw pies at each other."


What kind of pies?


"The kind they use in a silent movie," Mr. Crouch said. "Mostly cream, I guess."


thesplooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)

this is a little overdone. Stanley Crouch has already alienated so many in the NYC publishing world that the fact he writes for the Daily News now shouldn't be seen as some sort of meritous achievement.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, yeah, it's stupid that he slapped Peck, but hey that's Stanley.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Peck is a pretty mean spirited critic, though. The book is at least aptly titled.

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

oh Dale Peck is a prick (and a horrible writer to boot, but a sometimes funny critic even though he's completely anti-intellectual), but if every jackass in Manhattan were to be slapped, nobody would ever get any sleep.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Mr. Peck’s reviews, Mr. Crouch said, are "stepping stones to bring attention to himself,"


Which ILM standby should I use here? The pot/kettle one or the i-learned-it-from-watching-you-anti-drug-psa one?

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Stanley Crouch, at least in his jazz reviews, wants to bring too much attention to those records on which he poorly plays the drums. But yeah, it's a little silly of him. Don't use pot/kettle though, that would probably enrage him.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I'M RICK JAMES BITCH!

rickjames (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"but if every jackass in Manhattan were to be slapped, nobody would ever get any sleep."

i'm still trying to figure this one out...

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I really do love John Leonard. He makes most reviewers look like chumps. That Peck review was invigorating because it was so atypical.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost to amateur!st - the sound of millions of cheeks slapping is not so zen, dude.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Crouch seems to pick his targets pretty carefully. I can only think of one occasion on which he's threatened someone who wasn't his physical inferior, and that incident never escalated to full-on violence, as far as I know. I'd really like to see someone beat the living shit out of him, though. Or just drop him with one shot, like what happened to fellow infamous douchebag Glenn Danzig not long ago.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

perhaps someone can just pull on his beard

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

two college friends of mine have worked for Crouch. I feel really sorry for them.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Even better headline from the Observer: "Stuff It, Emo Boy!"

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

As wars go, Stanely Crouch vs. Dale Peck has the flavor of Iran vs. Iraq circa the 80's.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, Stanley Crouch is a fucking menace--what bullshit, his jazz writing. Albert Murray is bad enough, and some of his stuff has some value (although I can't quite get why Murray loves Hemingway so much), and at least Wynton Marsalis plays the trumpet (like a robot in a well-tailored suit, sure, but he, you know, makes the notes and all that). Those guys are pretty much in varying degrees everything I hate about jazz writing and thinking. Again, at least Whitney Balliett mastered that nice New Yorker-ese tone...

There's another review of Peck's book at the NY Review of Books...and this bit is interesting in light of the fight...

"Here as in so many of these essays, Peck takes on a potentially tricky subject, but precisely because he's a brawler—temperamentally unafraid to take aim and swing—more often than not he scores a palpable hit.

And yet as much sense as Peck so often makes, there is something awry with this collection, and it's something his detractors have intuited, too, even if they haven't articulated it particularly well. (None, it must be said, are as much fun to read as he is.)

There is, to begin with, the problem of overkill. I have no strong opinion either way of Sven Birkerts, and I too thought Rick Moody's The Black Veil was a sodden mass of pretentiousness and self-indulgence, but as I made my way through Peck's lengthy excoriations of these authors, it occurred to me that perhaps it might be wasteful to expend many thousands of words on the complete annihilation of writers who are, when all is said and done, not of the first tier. But here and elsewhere, it's as if Peck can't stop himself— there's something manic about the way he pounces on something trivial, something like a misused metaphor (he does go on about one involving the game of horseshoes), and shakes it like a cat shaking a dead mouse."

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I kept hoping there was a photo accompanying this, much like the "Glenn Ford slaps Erin Gray!" thread.

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd like to challenge him to a drum-off.

What happened to Danzig?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

tangent: have to say that I thought jazz writing would be either not good or non-existent in the Voice since Gary Giddins' departure, but if anything I like Francis Davis' writing much better than Giddins'. Bravo to Mr. Davis (and Mr. Eddy for hiring him and running good pieces).

Danzig got hit, dude.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Did he get pwned?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

yes. have you been boycotting the internet or something?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

for your danzig ass-whuppin' needs:

http://www.azpunk.com

yes, he starts it. yes, he gets smoked in one punch.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea that any loutish behavior is "unacceptable to the New York Post."

Joseph McCombs, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Reading an article about a review of a compendium of criticism. Do these people have any self consciousness at all?

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

You're reading a thread about an article about a review of a compendium of criticism.

St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

have you been boycotting the internet or something?

Only when ILX was down.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I still need to pick up Francis's book-length interview with Pauline Kael. That's right up my crit alley. It can go next to Conversations With Pauline Kael on the bookshelf.

I need to read more Dale Peck just to see what the hubbub is about. I never read that rag he wrote for. I suppose I could look up his reviews on the internet. There must be more to him then those 2 or 3 one sentence blurbs they always trot out. Just reading the blurbs reminds me of that Reader's Manifesto dude. I'm all for punk rock lit-crit I just wish there was one punk throwing punches who was as smart as his mouth. Someone who wasn't so easily written off (fairly or unfairly.) It doesn't help Peck's case that he is a novelist that no one reads. Kazin never wrote no novels. (did he? I know Trilling and Wilson did, right?) Up In The Air by Walter Kirn is a hoot by the way. I want to read Thumbsucker. Shit, this isn't I Love Books. Sorry.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, come to think of it, if Peck considers himself a novelist FIRST, then his writing crit AS WELL is really normal and a 1000 novelists do it every year and have done it forever. So forget everything I said. Critics and academics who write fiction that is actually worth reading is a lot rarer.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, let's have this guy write about fiction! (huh?):



RH: Who are some of your favorite writers?

DP: I don't have any favorite writers right now except perhaps Joan Didion, who's my idol, and Rebecca Brown. I
adore everything she's done. But don't really read writers anymore. There's no one I'm dying to pick up the way I
once read nothing but Henry James for a year., then, nothing but Didion for a year. Now I pick up stuff and I don't
really finish much of anything anymore. I'm more or less completely over identity fiction, but I'm also over fiction
generally. I think fiction's in a really bad place right now. Novels are at best competent, and more ofthen that not
they're just derivative and repetitive and badly done. I think it has a whole lot to do with the idea that normal life is
no longer good enough, but that the alternative to that still has to somehow be within the realm of the possible. So
what you get is, well, fiction about freaks, for want of a better term. "Freaks" simply being anyone that's not quite
like you and me. So if you start with a straight, white male norm and then slowly move away from that... I don't
know, maybe Gore Vidal was right and the novel's time really is over and we should just accept the fact that there's
no reason to write them anymore.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)


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