why do journos keep repeating lil jon's claim that crunk is 'black punk rock'?

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or that the two are genuinely similar. i just read this in the first issue of scratch magazine AGAIN but i dont see it. if anything, crunk is more like the black heavy metal (though even thats wrong). and if crunk is black punk rock were bad brains playing proto-crunk?

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah - metal does seem like a better analogy.

― peter smith (plsmith), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

According to Blender Lil Jon was a Dead Kennedys/PiL lovin' skater in high school. I understand his logic sound-wise.

Naw, punk is metal without solos. So punk works better than metal.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

but crunk is no way fast enough to be punk.

lil jon used to be into faith no more, sex pistols and the ramones according to one interview i read.

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:48 (twenty-two years ago)

his stuff is just as fast as the Sex Pistols and those chants are pretty damn Ramones.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

HEY, HO! LET'S GO!

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean crunk is dangerous-sounding, but its too well-produced to be like punk, i think.

― peter smith (plsmith), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

those chants are more like miami bass than anything else.

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

haha ok crunk is the black miami bass then

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

David Banner is the Marvin Gaye of crunk.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i wasnt aware there was a 'white miami bass'!

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

punk /= "fast"
punk /= "shitty-sounding"
any of us here /= "more of an expert on what crunk is than lil jon"
me /= "an asshole, although I'm kind of flirting with that amn't I"

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 24 July 2004 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

WHAT?

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

(x-post)

YEAH!

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)

OKAY!

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:02 (twenty-two years ago)

LUDA!

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

"my pinkie's worth over three hundred thou-SAND" = "no one but you and I say the bells of prince far-i"

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah i can just see lil jon's get low being covered in a punk rock styleee........

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Lil Jon on this subject:

“Maybe because of the yelling and screaming! I guess you could compare it to that too. But it’s (like punk) because of the way the music makes people release energy. I used to listen to a lot of Sex Pistols, Faith No More when they first came out, The Ramones. I been to real punk clubs so I’ve seen real moshpits, real slamdancing and the energy is kinda similar. When we do a real southern club or a joint in the mid west, in a hood club, the true shit, and you got a big moshpit, you got a lot of pushin’, you got a lot of elbows throwin’, just a big release of energy, it’s just like how the punk rock clubs are.”

“Crunk music makes people wild out. It’s so much energy in the music that the tempo of it doesn’t mean nothing. If you’ve ever seen our video I Don’t Give A…, that’s basically what the shows look like. You need water in there.”

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Gob = Skeet

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

according to jon, the punk=crunk correlation is to do with audience reactions and participation, rather than anything musical.

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

splooge you have just contradicted yourself in an attempt to prove your point: doesn't he say "Maybe because of the yelling and screaming!" and "It’s so much energy in the music"?

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

punk isnt the only music with energy. the second paragraph wasnt directly about the punk-crunk analogy. and after he says "MAYBE because of the yelling..." he clarifies - "But it’s (like punk) because of the way the music makes people release energy". hes not actually saying the actual musical properties of both genres are all that similiar. i dont hear much slashing riffs in crunk. the riffs in crunk are closer to house or dance music. even jon has admitted this.

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

the sounds too, are closer to house than punk. i dont know, ive heard tons of crunk from david banner to bonecrusher and lil jons last album, i dont hear much punk 'attack' or methodology in the music. it can be relentless and unforgiving but its never as frenzied as most punk.

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:33 (twenty-two years ago)

it's so nervous rock people can listen to shouty rappers, safe in the knowledge that the music is a continuation of a respected, authentic legacy

― m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

mitch bringing the hammer DOWN.

anyway this doesn't seem like that complicated an issue to me, yknow?

― g--ff (gcannon), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:47 (twenty-two years ago)

What about all those nervous rap people who listen to shouty rockers, though?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

m.OTM, but hey splooge (and I am truly sorry to bust your chops on this and I really will stop) but lil jon doesn't say "crunk is punk music, straight up," he said "it's punk music for black people," so maybe he's not applying the same standards and definitions to 'punk' that you are [and I find your definitions of "fast" and "poorly-produced" and "slashing" and "frenzied" rather reductive, you would disqualify much husker du and x and clash as punk], but whatever, I'm done

also, the "true punk"
Alex in NYC loves
crunk music AW YEAH

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

(eh, i'm so tired this week - s'just trifean autopilot mode at work. but yeah, there's some truth to the accusation.)

― m. (mitchlnw), Saturday, 24 July 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

would ya stop busting my chops B2D?

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

hey I said I'd stop!
in other news, lil jon's with
christina milian!

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

i know i know.

BTW, i dont see why i wouldnt include much husker du or the clash at all.....

anyway, lil jons working with korn soon. yay!

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

it was a bleak day when lil jon was on vh1's "best week ever"

― jess, Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Pop culture industry fun. He'll be on some celebrity challenge show next once Coolio finally packs it in.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Andre 3000 said that crunk is the black punk rock too.

I don't know if it comes from the same place, though. Meaning, punk as a reaction to complicated un-fun rock, through back to basics energy.

― David Allen (David Allen), Saturday, 24 July 2004 20:54 (twenty-two years ago)

crunk is oi duderz

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Saturday, 24 July 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I was finding myself agreeing that this isn't such a complex issue.

But Oi is certainly an interesting comparison.

― Crunk with Christ, Saturday, 24 July 2004 21:16 (twenty-two years ago)

andre3000 also thinks the love below was a hip hop album so its kinda ehhhhh.

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think the issue is whether or not it's hip-hop.

Its more that Andre thought it was a PROGRESSIVE hip-hop album. Or even a good one.

― djdee2005, Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

but it wasnt hip hop, period. it was like an 80s funk album for the most part. so if he thinks *thats* 'progressive hip hop', then yeah, thats definitely problematic.

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 24 July 2004 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not even funk, it's a pop album, enfuckingtirely. It's the album Beck has been trying to make for ten years.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Saturday, 24 July 2004 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

*tries to figure out whether or not this is a good thing*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 25 July 2004 00:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't get your hopes up. Just because Beck couldn't do it, doesn't mean it's good.

― Crunk in Christ, Sunday, 25 July 2004 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

were bad brains playing proto-crunk?

Fishbone are the protocrunkers.

― j.lu (j.lu), Sunday, 25 July 2004 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

not by a fucking mile

― cinniblount (James Blount), Sunday, 25 July 2004 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

it reminds me of gabber for some reason

― robin (robin), Sunday, 25 July 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

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