This is the thread where Jon Williams convinces me to show up early to the Sonic Youth show tonight in order to see Hair Police and Wolf Eyes

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― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, what have you got to lose?

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

There'll be space to sit on the floor at that time. Bring your cardigan in case it's sticky with beer.

― Jon Williams (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

What have I got to lose? Not too much, I guess -- but I don't particularly like standing around for a while listening to bands I don't know, unless they're good.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Hair Police are kinda blah, but Wolf Eyes are excellent. I regret not getting to see them open for Sonic Youth in Chicago a couple years ago.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't go early. Stay at home and butter up an oliveloaf.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Mmm, oliveloaf.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Bring your cardigan in case it's sticky with beer.

But then my cardigan would get sticky with beer!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

You shouldn't go. You should give your ticket ok thnx bye.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Did you mean to say "to me"?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I honestly can't see you liking them, jaymc, but you are really open-minded and stuff, so maybe you'll prove me wrong? Personally I think they'd be better in front of a crowd as headliners (that can get really intense), but maybe the chance for major audience alienation/bummeration could open up something.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

what did they sell out chicago?

― kephm, Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

The show is sold out, yes.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe it would be nice to go early to see some bands you've never seen, because maybe you will like them! Jesus Christ!

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I would go to the Olive Garden and then drive to the show and listen to mp3s of belle and sebastian in your car until you're absolutely positive that the opening bands are off and then safely make your entrance.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I dig Obedience Cuts!

...course they won't play from the record.

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

In your cardigan.
xpost

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost) Yes, Roxy, I agree with that idea on principle (seeing opening bands in case I like 'em). But Hstencil is right that bands like Wolf Eyes are probably not my thing ... although I will say that I can listen to the craziest noise band for hours as long as there's a steady beat. I don't know where Wolf Eyes fits into that.

Also: I'm not seriously agonizing about this. In fact, I probably will go to see Wolf Eyes, at least.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.jereva.com/basch/bandstand.gif

it's got a good beat and YOU CAN DANCE TO IT!!!

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

a lot of Wolf Eyes stuff has beats, but not necessarily steady ones.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Just bring a tiny drum machine and hold it to your ear.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Scalp yr ticket and buy some stuffed pizza instead.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

also crazy noize stuff with steady beat probably = Mammal.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I heard that Wolf Eyes album on Sub Pop yesterday. "crazy."

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Wouldn't a Richard Marx album turned up so loud your speakers are distorting be more "intense"?

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Mammal's most recent stuff doesn't focus on the sick beatz of yesteryear.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

DUDE YOU ARE GOING TO SEE SONIC YOUTH HOW MUCH WORSE CAN IT GET THAN THAT

― dean? (deangulberry), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

the part where all the music stops for like 4 beats is INTENSE!!!
"stabbed in the face" enjoyable but 0 replay value.

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Wouldn't a Richard Marx album turned up so loud your speakers are distorting be more "intense"?

only if you're you.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

WHRZEEEEVER YOU GO WHRZEEEEVER YOU DOO I WILL BEE RZIIZIGHT HEREE...

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 July 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Hair Police. You should go and throw sticky things at Robert's afro.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

jaymc I will pay you $4 and give you a haircut if you give me your ticket to this show ok thnx bye.

― St. Nicholas (Nick A.), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Hair Police are hit & miss for me. I really dug on the Rattler's Echo 3" which focussed on stoned textures and epic soundscapes. The stuff that tries to rawk... I'm not as into. But whatever, they'll be entertaining live anyway and there's a good chance they'll at least do something to interest you.

Wolf Eyes rule, end of story.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

wolf eyes are actually something you should see at least once, jaymc. hair police...well, you'll survive.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

that is probably way more convincing than anything the rest of us could say, actually.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

T/S: Being with people in a public space watching musicians do their thing vs. More ILX fun

― dean? (deangulberry), Thursday, 29 July 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Update:

So I got to the Vic at 9 PM, figuring Hair Police would be over and I'd catch the start of the Wolf Eyes set. I walked in, heard a mushroom cloud of noise, went to the restroom, bought a beer, and by the time I found a place to stand, the set was over. I saw Wolf Eyes for two minutes. Obviously, it's hard for me to judge based on only two minutes, but I wasn't that impressed. What they did wasn't altogether different than what Sonic Youth sometimes does (like that hidden track on Experimental Jet Set), but there wasn't any context to it.

Sonic Youth were fantastic, though, barring a few technical problems (a loud amp feedback hum on "Paper Cup Exit," Thurston's guitar much louder than Lee's on "Unmade Bed") and excepting the fact that they didn't play "The Dripping Dream"! The highlight for me was "Stones," which they rocked more than on record. The nicest surprise was "Skip Tracer," which I haven't seen them play since '95, probably. They closed the show with a pretty kick-ass rendition of "Sugar Kane," although I was still wishing so much for "The Dripping Dream" that I was disappointed. Still, even though I haven't seen a ton of shows this year, it may have been the best so far.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, you are *SUCH* a corny 90's indie fuq

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Where were you yesterday, dude?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

(home sick)

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

What they did wasn't altogether different than what Sonic Youth sometimes does (like that hidden track on Experimental Jet Set), but there wasn't any context to it.

uh, what?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

what does o'rourke do onstage, play the triangle?

― Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Wolf Eyes plays like... circuit bent voltage transformers and drum machines, tape delay, a gong with a MACE, *maybe* a fuzzed out guitar occasionally.

HOW CAN THAT SOUND LIKE SONIC YOUTH?

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Thurston Moore (haha@hidinghisemail)

yeh i wanna b yr dog jam was in salt lake city - thats where that photo of me hurling gong
over twigs head comes from. extremely gnarly jam - yeh olson killing on sax ala steve
mackay stylee---

last nite minneapolis first date w/ h police who were insanely great. wolfs come out
charged and ready and olson swings mace and immediately slices his head open. blood
streams down like pro wrestling madness - he paper towels it off as much as possible and
continuees to rock hard. blood splays all over his gear and he tries to mop it. i threw him
a towel which became scarlet. - afterwards he sits dazed and the medics check him out.
they decide to take him to emergency room and stick a hypodermic needle in his skull and
staple the gash shut. he returns in a couple of hours BRAND NEW and wolfs head off to M
St Germains for much needed beauty sleep. snzzzzzz...

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess what I meant by the "context" remark was that I like how Sonic Youth uses noise: in the context of otherwise pretty, melodic material. They were fairly noisy, Wolf-Eyes-style, in the interludes between songs, but then Steve Shelley would give a little drum roll, and the band would explode into a song -- which was great because the noise created tension that was then released. I wasn't quite able to appreciate Wolf Eyes, because it was more noise for its own sake. (But again, this is based on TWO WHOLE MINUTES.)

O'Rourke switches between guitar and bass (the latter when Kim isn't playing).

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon: Have you heard that hidden track from Experimental Jet Set?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, wolf eyes has sick BEATS and PULSING rhythm.

fuck you corny whiteboy indie fuck

http://www.underwater.youngteam.co.uk/img/jmascis3.jpg

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(Because otherwise, I'm mostly talking about live Sonic Youth than anything else on record.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Wolf Eyes is not noise per se (at least not noise for it's own sake), they have very structured songs/sets. However, the structure is usually that of very long songs which, taken out of context, may not be apparent as such.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

And I remain open to Wolf Eyes, of course. (Especially if they do, in fact, have SICK beat and PULSING rhythm!)

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Skipping 61 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

This thread, and the "Punching Girls in the Face" thread, could and should benefit from my unique subjectivity, but I feel, in the long run, my involvement would do more harm than good. Both threads beckon me, even while I showered upstairs, but I choose to abstain for the time being. I simply do not have the energy. (adopts Homer voice) Sincerely, Roger Adultery

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

50% Beam Splitter are the shit, dude. I gotta jam that CDr of theirs more.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish somebody would name their reasons why wolf eyes are so bad and hated

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

btw I hate the southgate house

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I HAET WOLF EYES BECAUSE CDRS DON'T PLAEY IN MY SADKND

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Wolf Eyes. At least on record. I've never seen them live. I can imagine them live though, having seen enuff similar stuff. Some of the stuff I've heard sounds like retro-noise. Like they are trying to sound like early 80's new york metal shredders. Which is fine. I like that stuff.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Scott, can you name what bands you mean??!?

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

wolf eyes are cool but man they do not merit this much debate

― kephm, Friday, 30 July 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

KEEP BOSTON OUT OF PROVIDENCE

― REN (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm, it's more of a vibe, really. Maybe some early controlled bleeding or something off of one of those Dry Lungs comps. Or maybe even some of the brit and german stuff. Old E.N. maybe in places. It's a clanking thing. But I should say I haven't heard TONS of Wolf Eyes and I imagine that they can move from style to style from record to record. I do distinctly recall hearing one record and it sounded very much like something I would have heard from back then. I should be more specific, but I only played it once or twice. I liked it though!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

pashmina, i'm sorry, i effed that link:

http://www.carbonrecords.com/videos/pengo_10_04_01/wolf_eyes_10_04_01.wmv

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Scott, I'd really be interested to know about this stuff since I know crapall about it. PS - DO U LIKE FACTRIX

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you would really enjoy some of those old Controlled Bleeding records. They are all over the place too. Their masterpiece was called "Swallowing Scrap Metal" and they included excerpts of it on 10 or 15 records over a 10 or 15 year period. plus, they are just insane guidos from Long Island.(no offense to any guidos out there. I like guidos.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm gonna start a thread on those guys. They deserve one.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

You can see a Wolf Eyes interview/performance here (scroll down a little):
http://www.brainwashed.com/brain/brainv06i48.html

Paul Lemos of Contolled Bleeding is still doing music surprisingly enough. Their early stuff varied from harsh noise to spooky ambient vocal/synth pieces.

― Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

'but i got a sense of it as a kind of fixed performance art rather than really involving musical performance'

I don't see why performance art couldn't be musically involving.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Who are you, Julio? I don't even know who you are.

― amateurist? (deangulberry), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

how about new blockaders bros? that 4 cdr EXTENSIVE comp of their work is simply killer. def. hearin wolves longer jams being murked in this stuff.

― brock (brock), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i just meant it sometimes seemed like the performance aspect was of greater interest to the band than the development of their music. but that's based on my own (limited, compared to some of you) impressions.

hi dean! did i ever insult you or something? i'm a little confused as to why i've become the chosen object of your ridicule today.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

your output has been steady, so it seems like boredom is to blame mostly...

― dean? (deangulberry), Friday, 30 July 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, you are *SUCH* a corny 90's indie fuq

I thought this was a good-natured ribbing, until I saw the corresponding Noise Dude board thread. I'd respond there, but I'm banned from that board.

Anyway, whatever. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm interested in lots more than corny 90s indie rock. You can make fun of me for being into gay pop and electronic stuff, if you want.

(But also: one of my favorite records this year is by noise dudes Animal Collective!)

― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Animal Collective : Noise
Avril Lavinge : Punk

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

animal collective sound pretty musical to me.

― |a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

(and good)

― |a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

some of thr stuff is really um 'noisy' (hollindagain, danse manatee, and bits of here comes the indian too, I thought.)

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

sung tongs, campfire songs and spirit they've vanished... are more 'musical' / melodic ("um they kinda sound like the beatles").

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

eh, i don't care who is noise and who isn't noise. i'll leave that to the noise police. i like animal collective.

― |a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i pretended to be into noise to get my first radio show. then i played dusty springfield and stuff.

― |a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Your opinion matters!

― Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I know full well that the reason I like Sung Tongs so much is that it's so melodic! Ah well...

― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

eh, I ws only saying. I like them too. I like other noisy stuff as well.

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

But actually I saw them do a live set last summer that involved lots of spacey, repetitive guitar strumming and whoops and howls for like a half an hour. That was pretty awesome.

― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"with horns and everything!"

― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

jaymc, did you go see hair police and wolf eyes in the end? shd I check upthread? am I really lazy?

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i can't even remember what i posted to this thread. another of my friends saw this show. he told me the hair police guy indulged in a bit of audience-baiting: "we're not here to serve you!" etc. can jaymc confirm this?

― |a|m|t|r|s|t| (amateurist), Monday, 9 August 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I missed Hair Police. I saw five minutes of Wolf Eyes. So I shouldn't have said anything about them, really.

― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I might like Wolf Eyes. I like their name.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Jaymc...I am pleased you like gay pop, because then you will LOVE this microhouse mix I am making you.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Even if you should be beaten for not liking Luomo.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I do love gay pop.

― jaymc, Monday, 9 August 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

after all the Wolf Eyes debate here, I'm a little disappointed that they aren't opening the SY show I'm going to. does anyone know anything about the bands that are opening the show here, White Magic and Magik Markers?

― Al (sitcom), Monday, 9 August 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I like both of those bands. Magic Markers more than White Magic; Magic Markers are weird apocalyptic noize grrlz. White Magic are kind've a folksy thang.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

taking sides: magic vs. magik

― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

vs. magick

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

::drinks a glass of wyne::

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

magick by a moon-lit mile

― harshaw (jube), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll be at that nyc show. white magic are cool - ex Quixotic (who were awesome) but their Drag City record is meh. Magic Markers I STILL havewn't heard but Pete Nolan is involved so I'm sure it'll rule.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

reckoning, are you on shore leave or something?

― Double True!, Saturday, 24 December 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

If Santa brings you a time machine you can go.

― Edward III (edward iii), Saturday, 24 December 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

― jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Saturday, 24 December 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

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