so what's next after hip-hop?

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seriously.

It's time for a new genre, with new terminology and a new rhythmic emphasis - but what is it...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I had this long involved thing that was super-generalized about how jazz, rock, and hip-hop have each involved the use of minimalism, new slang, and new rhythms to spur a new musical movement but it got kinda convoluted...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Post hip-hop?

― Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

RAP ROCK

― vinnie bobereeno (vinnie bobereeno), Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

In the future, everything will be called House Music.

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"hey dudes, PLUR in the 21st century."

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― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The next thing will be something called kozbee.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Maroon 5 are going to usher in a wave of musicians with no spines.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 July 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

knee-skip

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:04 (twenty-one years ago)

post death

― RUSSIGNON, Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

since rap- and hip-hop-like music was being made in the '50s and '60s, if not earlier, and since rock can easily be traced back to the '20s if not earlier, it seems pretty clear that whatever's next is already out there, and you've probably already heard it.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

someone take this thread to the american inner city. or to the american south.

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Amplified hambone.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"since rap- and hip-hop-like music was being made in the '50s and '60s, if not earlier, and since rock can easily be traced back to the '20s if not earlier, it seems pretty clear that whatever's next is already out there, and you've probably already heard it."

yes, I know there has to be already existing clues and precedents - *but where are they*

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you ever noticed that in most sci-fi movies, the stuff they put in the soundtrack is usually some form of industrial music? You know, a drum track provided by banging metal and some sounds of air flowing out of a tube and steam and stuff. They think they're making some sort of social commentary about how industry will eventually overtake art or something, but what about the fact that industrial music came and went like 20 years ago?

I mentioned this to a friend and he said "Maybe in the future there will just be digital pulses" but uhh... glitch... ?

― David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, I know there has to be already existing clues and precedents - *but where are they*

it's not just clues and precedents that are out there, the music itself is already out there, fully formed. but, no, i don't know where that is either. following splooge's advice wouldn't be a bad idea, though.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

number eight BELCH! number eight BELCH! number eight BELCH!

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― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Death Skiffle.

― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

That's my favorite Simpsons episode by far.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

**Maroon 5 are going to usher in a wave of musicians with no spines**

Long since done, my friend ...

― Chris O'Connor (Chris O'Connor), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe guitar based R&B will come back!

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

and i dont mean guitar based R&B as in wyclef.

probably a bad idea either way though.

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Thursday, 29 July 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope it has a good melody, and that you can dance to it.

― shookout (shookout), Friday, 30 July 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

it'll be broad foliage, brought about by steak dinner.

― russignon, Friday, 30 July 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually like everything else in the 21st century it will originate somewhere in Asia. If I were betting on a locale, I'd bet on India.

― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 30 July 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

How about this - my friend's radio show is called Utility Fog. The genre he's coined:

"Postfolkrocktronica. From granular pop to orchestral breakcore and beyond..."

Maybe it's all a bit silly, but you know he's into notwist, books, Iraqui hip hop, remixes...etc.

― piers, Friday, 30 July 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's forming out of the hip hop culture. But it will not be strictly American hip hop. It will be a global form. I wish I knew what it was, because I'd be there.

Look for something to emerge out of the dancehall, bhangra, grimey, comparable styles.

Reggae and hip hop are still fruitful. Look what the blues form is responsible for. Reggae-based/hip hop/global urban are going into uncharted waters.

― Star Hustler, Friday, 30 July 2004 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Good lord the future looks fuckin' bleak then. Might as well open the veins now.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 30 July 2004 05:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I think its about time we take it back to the basics.

― artdamages (artdamages), Friday, 30 July 2004 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

How about-

Mexico City punkfunkitalocrunk?

Rio de Janiero favela hiphousesambaragga?

Lagos afrofolkIDM?

― Star Hustler, Friday, 30 July 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Mexico City punkfunkitalocrunk?

That's more like it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 30 July 2004 05:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Philouza really has not yet been properly mined as an influence

― artdamages (artdamages), Friday, 30 July 2004 06:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"since rap- and hip-hop-like music was being made in the '50s and '60s, if not earlier..."

Could you give some song or artist examples of these? It would be very interesting to hear early examples of hip hop!

― Adam Bruneau, Friday, 30 July 2004 07:44 (twenty-one years ago)

It'll be electronic metal and I will be referring to this post in 5 years and going haha see I told you so.

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Friday, 30 July 2004 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe it's all a bit silly, but you know he's into notwist, books, Iraqui hip hop, remixes...etc.

-- piers (pier...), July 30th, 2004.

Is that a mispelling of Oruk Hai? If so there's a sub-genre of LOTR hip hop?

― DAziz, Friday, 30 July 2004 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i dont think hip hop as we know it was being made in the 50s or 60s, unless you mean bo diddley, rudy ray moore or talking blues and spoken word artists. that stuff was a precursor, but it wasnt hip hop. i dont think grandmaster caz was thinking, 'wow, these last poets guys are kinda cool, its a shame they dont rap over something like good times!'

― thesplooge (thesplooge), Friday, 30 July 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

In purely alphabetical sense, after hip-hop comes....

ijq-ipq!!!!!!!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Experimental Horse Music

― briania (briania), Friday, 30 July 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

punkfunkitalocrunk sounds waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than postfolkrocktronica.

"hey! turn down that punkfunkitalocrunk junk!"

― peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Drip-Hop. What happens when weedy indie types realise rapping is 'where it's at.'

― Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"Be Sure to Loop" (Feather Float), remixed by Tatsuki Masuko (of ASLN and Dub Squad fame) begins very similarly to the first tune: all warm, with bells, birds, and typically detached vocals. After several minutes of this, the drums come in, and bingo! It becomes like an outtake from Vision Creation Newsun, with the one-chord guitar vamp over pounding Neu drums and the omnipresent electric effects. Someone in this camp should apply for a patent on this sound, because it's going to get ripped off very soon.

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe the change is that there isn't going to be the same sort of pop music genre turnover that there has been in the past?

Or maybe, much like modern classical music, or jazz (or art, visual art), pop music is going to be dominated by pluralism and eclecticism.

(I realize that some variation of these ideas has been expressed already by lots of other people.)

Also, I think a big part of the question is: how is pop music going to be used, in the future, to mark identity? Will it continue to be used as a generational marker? Speaking in just a U.S. context: how are whites (that looks so stark written like that) and African-Americans going to respond to the growing Latino and Asian population here? Mixing it up? Will African-Americans respond to new immigrants by making music that sticks more closely to what is distinctively African-American? (This doesn't seem to be happening at the moment at all. Also, I guess it's kind of hard when the world keeps borrowing/stealing whatever new form of music you invent.) Will some sort of white "nativist" thing end up being expressed in white popular music? And how are young Latinos and Asians going to respond to being here? Will a U.S. us-them war-on-terror attitude have an impact on pop music here?

I tend to think that most young people in the U.S. are not going to adapt any sort of racial/ethnic/cultural purity code when it comes to their aesthetics.

(Sorry for the crap style ("when it comes to"), but I am at work and excuse excuse.)

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, the very assumption I am having trouble shaking off (though it's kind of implied in the question) that the dominant thread in U.S. pop music is what black people and what white people are doing and how the two relate is likely to be rendered obsolete by demographic change.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

hispanics are rapidly growing

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

what i said was rap-like and hip-hop-like and yes those are the kind of artists i had in mind. and the last poets, yep, and gil scott heron (though he might not have been till the early '70s). and jamaican toasting. and other such stuff, of which i'm sure smarter people with longer memories could cite a lot more.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Soon they'll all be TEN FEET TALL!

xpost FUCK U RUINED MY ROFFLE

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Neither the Last Poets nor Gil-Scott Heron released anything prior to the 70s.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you making fun of my not very in-depth futurism?

x-post: nickalicious, I was trying to work on something similar.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Another thought: much of the rest of the world has more experience being eclectic at a really popular level. (If nothing else, usually American products alongside locally made music.)

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:24 (twenty-one years ago)

the last poets formed in 1968 or 1969 and, one would assume, were making music even before they released an album.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

LEGO METAL!

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

dog latin, EXPLAIN

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

10000 people out in a field playing "scrall" by means of enormous sound databases (beats, rhythms, samples) accessible in real time through large bandwidth wireless transmitters installed in midi-like keypads which may be struck by the hand or sung through synchronously (singing, btw,will be modulated through instant-read software which will be "donated" to the mass sound, thus providing maximum enjoyment for all involved)

― p.j. (Henry), Friday, 30 July 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Radio and local music is pretty damned great. Chuck Eddy noted on the Faith No More thread about the easy eclecticism so many South American performers can bring to the fore these days, something Begs2Differ has been no less vocal about, and you can hear it pretty readily. Quite often I was taken by pleasant surprise -- one taxi driver was listening to a grand hip-hop album and I really should have asked who it was. Though the feller's flow was at times a bit rough, the music was pretty good in a Timbaland style, suffused with threat and a variety of beats.--Ned reporting on Venezuela.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Lego Metal is metal that is whatever you want it to be.

― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 30 July 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Latin + Indian/Pakistani + Estadounidense w/ world-wide wild cards.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I honestly think it'll come from some sort of mix of industrial noise/glitch techno and hip-hop. At least, that's what I hope.

― Zach Ayres (Z_Ayres), Friday, 30 July 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

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