Why do people on ILX like bad 80's throwbacks SO MUCH?????

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because they suck and are old and stupid and dumb and boring

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I dunno. I'd rather listen to bad 80s music than the bad 00s music "inspired" by it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:30 (twenty years ago)

I take extreme joy in listening to both, h. Why? I've no shame.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:31 (twenty years ago)

Franz Ferdinand fans are all old and ugly or 15 year old girls.

― PEDOS (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:31 (twenty years ago)

what do you mean by bad 80s throwbacks?

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:31 (twenty years ago)

because bad '80s throwbacks (and bad '70s throwbacks, and bad '60s throwbacks) are still better than 95 percent of the horseshit that came out in the '90s, maybe??

― chuck, Friday, 30 July 2004 17:32 (twenty years ago)

From: Katie
Date: Mar 11, 2004 08:49 PM
Subject: Franz Ferdinand!! (soo rockin!)
Body: Ok, so my good friend turned me onto this new band Franz Ferdinand. And may I say... freakin' AWESOME!! It has been so long since I heard songs sooo good and sooo rockin' that I have to blast it and actually jump around and dance and shake my booty! Seriously, this band rocks, and I mean that cool old fashioned funk edgey raw type of rock, with the catchiest hooks, but pure music all the way thru. An album that will make your head bop and foot tap involuntarily, for sure. Everyone should run out and buy it NOW!! You will NOT be dissappointed!

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago)

IT IS 2004 NOT 1994

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Jon, might I suggest you calm down a touch?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Wait, this is about Franz Ferdinand?

People on Ilx like FF? Jesus, I haven't been paying attention.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:34 (twenty years ago)

(sarcasms)

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:35 (twenty years ago)

fight the withering sarcasm with more withering sarcasm.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:37 (twenty years ago)

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't actually being sarcastic. I think.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

my post wasn't in reference to you, Daddino. Or anyone on this thread, really.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Even Busta Rhymes is in on the Franz-loving. It's time to concede.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago)

I like Franz Ferdinand, but I can't think of which specific "bad 80's throwback" they sound like.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago)

(I wasn't at the concert, btw. It's possible he was rapping "Enough with the bad 80s throwback shit already" over it)

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago)

They're named after the Austro-Hungarian archduke whose assassination started World War I, you know.

― briania (briania), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago)

irony is when something is like iron maiden.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago)

I actually find it really funny that you're harping on this instead of the thread that *to my shock* generated overwhelming appreciation for Ready For The World's 80s single "Oh Shelia". You can throw all the Prince comparisons you want at it and I'm still looking at you and your taste and thinking YIKES!

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago)

haha this from a "hardcore" nut.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I failed to actually read that review I linked to properly. It was actually Freestyle Master with the 80s throwback rapping. Carry on.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Jon you are one corny '00s indie fuck.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:49 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.dobi.nu/emo/boys1.gif

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:49 (twenty years ago)

Anthony, do you even know what I like?

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:49 (twenty years ago)

Girls and crystal meth?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago)

(Sorry.)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago)

see scott seward's post about wolf eyes on that one thread, Jon. HARDCORE!

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:50 (twenty years ago)

i mean if you want to argue you're into good '80s throwbacks, fine.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago)

Corny 00's Indie Fuckery: Yeah Yeah Yeah's, Rapture (Guilty), Franz Ferdinand, Les Savy Fav (Guilty), Interpol, !!! (Guilty), Yellowcard, Dashboard Confessional, etc.

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago)

I listen to J-Nu-Psych, Krautrock, no-wave, nu-noise, gamelan, corny indie crap

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago)

haha what is 80s about Dashboard Confessional? I thought he was more '70s singer-songwriter. You're so NYC underground '82 its absurd, dude.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago)

i was rooting for you for a while jon.
but GOOD LORD, have some discretion about the indierock jamz.

― emma cleveland (emma cleveland), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Why do people on ILX like Krautrock so much

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago)

where did i say dashboard confessional was 80's

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago)

because we're nazis

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Why do people on ILX like Krautrock so much

Cause it has a good beat and you can dance to it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago)

sorry, misread. you're saying DC are corny '00s indie fuckery. Judging by the fact that yer noise shit is all over pitchfork I'd say it equally qualifies.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Wolf Eyes reminds Thurston of the GOOD OL' DAYS, dawg.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago)

YOU LIKE GOOD CHARLOTTE

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:56 (twenty years ago)

80's throwbacks i like this year:

Lansing-Dreiden
The Fever
Coliseum
Das Oath

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:57 (twenty years ago)

because krautrock > american rock.

― emma cleveland (emma cleveland), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:57 (twenty years ago)

"my noise shit?" YO I AIN'T SEEN NO 50% BEAM SPLITTER REVIEWS

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Like that Throbbing Gristle / Nurse With Wound soundalike thing on Sub Pop?

― Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Maybe you can dance to it Ned, but I can't.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Pitchfork != Corny Indie Fucks

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 17:59 (twenty years ago)

"my noise shit"? YO I AIN'T SEEN NO RAT AT RAT R REVIEWS IN THE VOICE

― Thurston Moore (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago)

but yea, WOLF EYES IS TOTALLY STEALING HOT HOT HEAT'S FANBASE

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago)

thurston can't spell that well YOU AIN'T FOOLIN ME

― Whiskeytown Littlecock (ex machina), Friday, 30 July 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago)

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xxpost i guess i was actually referring to hardcore-hardcore but then i'm getting a bit long in the tooth

― duke tooth, Saturday, 31 July 2004 21:45 (twenty years ago)

ian-as you say/can tell, I don't know the ins and outs of the providence scene like you and tend to generalize. I think duke hits it that it's about the fans. Regardless of Lightning Bolt's background, I still associate most of these types of shows with hardcore, because when I was going to noise shows, there wasn't anyone there, now there's tons of kids who do acknowledge their own punk background.

tim-good one. I mentioned this before here, but I had a conversation with Nick at a party at Simon Reynold's house(how's that for ILM small world) about being in the right place as the wrong time, Computer Couger and Beautiful Skin JUST predating movements he could've cashed in on.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 31 July 2004 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Matthew Steinke of Satisfact and the Mocket is another pioneer of the scene. Gogogoairheart have been around since '97 or so and they've failed to cash in. Luke Jenner's singing style is similar to Mike from Gogogo.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 31 July 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago)

Has Vegan Bake Sale already been taken as a band name?

― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 31 July 2004 21:56 (twenty years ago)

there's tons of kids who do acknowledge their own punk background.

This is true! I didn't mean to sound as though I was disputing that; I guess I was just more set off by comments lumping Lightning Bolt in with crap like Pretty Girls Make Graves. Post-hardcore, as Danothermusic suggests, is a pretty useless label.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago)

!!! persist in calling me Other Dan.
beautiful skin never doing a proper record as a full unit is one of the more unfortunate tragedies i've so far been close to.
but there is a collection of rehearsal/ live stuff coming out.

― duke fortune, Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:02 (twenty years ago)

ps. i'm moving back to brooklyn this week/next week. anyone got any HOT JOB LEADS? income will be urgent & key. should i just sell coke?

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:04 (twenty years ago)

if Marc Bolan had lived long enough to play w/Orange Juice it might sound something like Franz Ferdinand

If by Franz Ferdinand you mean Placebo, yes.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:04 (twenty years ago)

ian, where is the apartment?

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago)

and yes, coke will be convenient. (for me)

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago)

williamsburg. i am a hipster oh no oh no!!! i don't know the exact address. it overlooks teh river apparently? my friend bryce has done all of the apt. scouting, and i trust his judgement (i guess.)

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:08 (twenty years ago)

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&countryid=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=address&searchtype=address&address=151+Kent+Avenue&city=brooklyn&state=NY&zipcode=&search=++Search++

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago)

ian, that's a big white building that used to be a school, i think. it's pretty nice, expensive, though. most of the apartments are huge and have nice terraces.

how do you plan on paying the rent if you don't even have a job? trust fundage?

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:16 (twenty years ago)

sounds like a good place to slang from tho

― duke vice, Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago)

either that or he needs a wicked jump shot

― theycallmetatersalad (artdamages), Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago)

or a flow that would make damon dash say whoa

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago)

STUDENT LOANS.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:32 (twenty years ago)

(and coke.)

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Saturday, 31 July 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago)

I've never heard Pretty Girls Make Graves, is that what people called post-hardcore? I certainly wasn't lumping anyone in with them(or wasn't intending to.) I started using the "post-hardcore" phrase when I saw people from hardcore scenes getting into post-punk type stuff and moving on. Metamatics being the one real example I experianced. To me you could always tell because there wasn't a lot of screaming(or at least a different kind of screaming) in post-punk, so in the mid to late 90s when you'd hear these new post-punk, no wave bands, they may have 90% of it down, but you could always tell the people had been in hardcore/punk bands before because the singer would start yelling all angry like.

Tim, I know all about Luke's relationship to GGGAH, everytime I'd play post-punk stuff at the party we did together or give him CDs, he'd say "oh yeah my friend in GGGAH turned me onto that/was into that." I really think the main difference is, personally, I think the Rapture are better pop songwriters with better hooks and a more exciting show/presence then GGGAH. I like GGGAH and admire them, but admiring them or Metamatics or whomever as a pioneer of what is basically a revival(which I'm not knocking) has about as much cred as me boasting about DJing and being a pioneer. This came up a few years ago on nyhappenings when I joked about how ahead of my time I was for playing A Certain Ratio at dance parties in 95, to which Evan Davies from WFMU responded "I played them in 1981." Oh yeah, good point.

but the point is what GGGAH did was cool, and what the Rapture did was cooler, but I'm still waiting for something that draws from the lessons of the past while giving me something exciting and new. That's just my own personal thing. Sorry this became such a weird rant, just came back from a ridiculous dinner. But people need the 80s throwbacks if only to show them there was an 80s so we can all learn our lessons good and bad. Excuse me, I have to go purge.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 1 August 2004 04:59 (twenty years ago)

oh man, you shoulda seen what I had for dinner. You see, my girlfriend and I had an appetizer, an entree and desert, while the rest of my family had the tasting menu, so I had to try bits of all of that. So i'm near delirious and don't even know where I was going with that last post. I think I forgot what the hell we were talking about. So forget most of that.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 1 August 2004 05:54 (twenty years ago)

Conclusion: new york centricism = dud

― Bunzzzzz O)))))))))))))))))) (ex machina), Monday, 2 August 2004 11:15 (twenty years ago)

omg 'love and pride'! franz ferdinand need to sound more like king!

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 2 August 2004 11:43 (twenty years ago)

For whatever it's worth, I reviewed an early Mocket EP (along with a couple other new wavey records, by Komputer and I think maybe the Need) in Spin when it came out -- 1996 or so, maybe? I liked a Satisfact EP around that time, too, and there were a few other bands, mostly in the Northwest apparently (one was Octant, I think), doing the same thing. (In the '90s update of my book Stairway to Hell, published in 1998, Boredoms Soul Discharge is at #100 out of 100 new albums; Mocket Bionic Parts is at #83; Thee Hydrogen Terrors Terror, Diplomacy & Public Relations is at #95.) But last time I listened to any of those mid '90s Northwest ones, they sounded way more generic than they'd at first seemed. I guess what excited me at the time is just that *any* bands would be trying to sound like cool early '80s robot-punk stuff then. But years later, after hundreds of other bands doing the same damn thing, it's hard for me to care so much....

― chuck, Monday, 2 August 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Fuck no. Staisfact's "The Unwanted Sounds of..." is excellent still.

― Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Monday, 2 August 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog, I commend your F-orts in posting a precious moments gif, etc. However, you should review a picture I shared on the noize dudes board, which surely you will find more adorable:
http://stainedglasscity.com/tip/dogani.gif

― thorJESUHOY (Thor), Monday, 2 August 2004 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Chuck: Since you like Thee Hydrogen Terrors, I'm curious to see what you think of Dan St. Jaques other bands. By and large, I think they're classic, especially Landed & Olneyville Sound System.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 2 August 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago)

when does 3 hydrogen terrors date from? the last album is like 97, 98 right?

― Typhoon is Coming!!! :O (ex machina), Monday, 2 August 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago)

i thought 94. maybe 95? not later than that, certainly.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 2 August 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago)

I guess what excited me at the time is just that *any* bands would be trying to sound like cool early '80s robot-punk stuff then. But years later, after hundreds of other bands doing the same damn thing, it's hard for me to care so much....

This is a good point -- it's been quite a long while since I have listened in to Mocket (that was quite a good album) or folks like, I dunno, Six Finger Satellite maybe?

A not-quite-robot-punk album but one that personally I think will forever be the great lost early eighties revamp is Romania's ReModel -- an explicitly Duran Duran-oriented two-dude effort on TeenBeat that came out in 1995. Completely out of sync with everything and anything and it still sounds great today, largely because they were interested in the arena-synth-rock approach spliced with cooler singing approaches somewhere between, dunno, John Foxx and Paul Haig maybe?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:03 (twenty years ago)

the guy from Romania I think worked with Tel Aviv, another teenbeat band that came out of Louisville then went retro/factory/new wave before many.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:17 (twenty years ago)

This just occurred to me, but what percentage of ILMers spent their formative years in the eighties? This could have something to do with the thread's original question.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:23 (twenty years ago)

Born in 1971, really got into pop music as such in 1981, so there ya go.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:24 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone mentioned Men's Recovery Project yet? They were ex-hardcore cats. When I saw them in 98 they were working a Kraftwerk/80's vibe. They were cool. I keep meaning to buy all their albums, but then I forget to.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:26 (twenty years ago)

I was a high schooler in the 80's. Born in 68. I certainly still listen to a LOT of the stuff that I listened to then. But I still have a lot of loves from the 70's too. The 70's was when I fell hard for all kinds of stuff. In the 70's I was all about beatles/donna summer/sabbath.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:29 (twenty years ago)

Almost everything that I love in music today is some sort of combination of sly stone/sabbath/summer/beatles. In rock and pop music, that is.

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago)

Scott, you need to hear the MRP album Bolides Over Basra. Copies are still floating around in stores, but it's unavailable through Load now. If you want, e-mail me and I can tape that and some other MRP stuff for you.

It's a really wonderful album, it's got a weird electro/dance vibe to it, and it's quite catchy despite the its generally skuzzy feel. Has some nice use of Middle Eastern-sounding modes, so it's strange but not noisy enough to be offputting. Songs range from laments for lost love, a description of an assassin's life, and buying olives.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:33 (twenty years ago)

That's been a theme for me lately. Someone knocking the fact that I was DJing Missing Persons' Destination Unknown and Obsession by Animotion. No shame, I turned 5 years old in 1980 and have watched MTV since the beginning. Then it occured to me that after the last few years of playing 80s stuff to people my own age, the crowd is getting younger. I was djing last sunday and I realized, "hey, these kids probably don't even remember these songs," and many of them don't.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:33 (twenty years ago)

I am eight years older than Scott, but I didn't really start caring about music until 1979, at which point I bought a seletcion of skinny ties almost as soon as I started buying Fabulous Poodles and Boomtown Rats albums. True story!

― chuck, Monday, 2 August 2004 23:39 (twenty years ago)

The Fabulous Poodles? You win, Chuck, who the hell were they?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:40 (twenty years ago)

That Romania album should be at my local goodwill by the end of the month, since I'm guessing the local stores won't buy it back (though I'm keeping three tracks on a CD-R)

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 2 August 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago)

thirteen years pass...

I can hardly believe Ned hadn't heard of the Fabulous Poodles back in 2004 (unless this was some sort of a joke).

It recently occurred to me that I hear a lot of Peter Hammill in the vocals on "Mirror Star."

― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 16 September 2017 15:40 (seven years ago)

My brother met Bob Marley while working at the Temple News in the late 70s/early 80s. He didn't know who Marley was at the time and I yelled at him about his not realizing who he had met, comparing him to the Beatles and Elvis or something like that. A little later he got to meet the Fabulous Poodles (who I liked) and he had one of them call me from the Temple News office. I was pretty skeptical at first, when I was on the phone with them. My brother has a nice glossy photo of himself holding up the phone (with me on the other end) surrounded by the Fabulous Poodles. Years later, he was like, yeah I missed a chance for a photo with Bob Marley, and I just have one with [relative nobodies] the Fabulous Poodles.

Still a good song.

― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 16 September 2017 15:59 (seven years ago)

I still have no idea who they are.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:04 (seven years ago)

At this point you should probably preserve that island of ignorance in your encyclopedic knowledge of similar music.

― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:06 (seven years ago)

I think their self-destructively bad graphic design didn't help them any.

https://ring.cdandlp.com/vendors2/photo_grande/114222335.jpg

― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:09 (seven years ago)

Yugh.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:12 (seven years ago)

Some of their other cover art isn't so bad though.

Actually, even though I liked them, I never followed up and checked out their full albums, which may have been a mistake based on what I am hearing of them on youtube. Once I started getting into stuff like PiL and Joy Division and X and the Avengers, I think they seemed a bit dubious. I think these days I'd rather listen to the Fab Poos than the first two at least.

― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:31 (seven years ago)

Wikipedia says that for a time they were John Peel's favo(u)rite rock band.

― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:32 (seven years ago)

Ned, don't look!

Good live performance of Mirror Star. Things you notice years later: oh, this bass player is pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-cgAcmw17o

― _Rudipherous_, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:40 (seven years ago)

I remember them. New wave!

― curmudgeon, Saturday, 16 September 2017 19:47 (seven years ago)

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