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Let's pretend I've lived in a dark, soundless cave for the last 20 years and I don't know anything about house music, Detroit techno, all that cool. Ignoring trance music and things that sound like that, where does one start, where do I start? What are good albums, who writes well about this music, what is hot not? Anything would be helpful.

M. Wolfe, Monday, 9 August 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

the recent trax 20th anniversary thing will do you

jess, Monday, 9 August 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

a rough guide to the history of house in a series of cd comps and mixes

1. classic salsoul mastercuts vol. 1
2. trax records: the 20th anniversary collection
3. hardfloor - jack the box
4. nu groove: here comes that sound again
5. little louie vega - strictly house mix
6. v/a - warp 10+2: classics
7. the future sound of chicago
8. deep dish - yoshiesque
9. sasha & digweed - northern exposure 1
10. body & soul vol. 1
11. andy weatherall - hypercity
12. matthew herbert - let's all make mistakes
13. dreem teem - in session vol. 1 & 2
14. crydamoure presents waves

and albums

fingers inc. - another side
todd terry - to the batmobile
murk - miami deep
herbert - around the house
daft punk - homework
basement jaxx - atlantic jaxx recordings
felix da housecat - alone in the dark
danny krivit - edits by danny k.
motorbass - pansoul
faze action - plans and designs
moodymann - a silent introduction
paperclip people - the secret tapes of doctor eich
romanthony - romanworld
arman van helden - greatest hits
faze action - plans and designs
bt - ima
baby ford - the world of baby ford
808 state - newbuild
the best of balihu
metro area - s/t

jess, Monday, 9 August 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Warp's 2CD "10+1: The Influences" is almost like a cliff notes to Chicago/Detroit techno.

No Basic Channel, Jess?

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 9 August 2004 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

d'oh!

yeah bung in the first monolake, decay product, and the basic channel cd then.

jess, Monday, 9 August 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

is the trax comp out now jess?

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 9 August 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

also:
1. Larry Levan - Live at the Paradise Garage
and
2. Deep Dish - Junk Science

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 9 August 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

it's getting reviewed everywhere, so i have to assume it is.

apparently it's broken up into the three cd "20th anniv. collection" and an "acid classics" or something, which is weird since "acid trax" is on the "20th anniv. collection"

jess, Monday, 9 August 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

there should probably be a "tribal" mix on my list too, but i really hate all that junior vasquez shit

jess, Monday, 9 August 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

The Warp set is a bit one sided, I find it very much "this is the chicago/detroit stuff that us english kids weened on industrial music like", but can't think of an easily found compilation that beats it. The best thing is not to buy any records but to listen to mixes found on places like

http://www.deephousepage.com and

http://www.undergroundnyc.com

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 9 August 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

techno i'm not as well versed in, but i will say:

reinforced presents the deepest shade of techno 1 & 2
transmat relics
underground reistance - revolution for change
jeff mills - live at the liquid room
suburban knight - my sol dark direction
dj assault - straight up detroit shit vol. 4 (haha)

jess, Monday, 9 August 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

oh shit, the mayday mix!

jess, Monday, 9 August 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

haha all this is probably totally not helpful without some context

jess, Monday, 9 August 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

there are tons of house comp cds easily found cheap, but they're hit or miss. There are 2 classic/essential techno comps but quite rare:

http://www.discogs.com/release/45565 may have just come out on CD again, the vinyl is terribly pressed and must be avoided

this double CD http://www.discogs.com/release/12116 is as good as it gets, and if anyone can burn me a copy, they can have my firstborn

likewise, this is rare but great: http://www.discogs.com/release/12071

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 9 August 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not really into house at all, but I've recently found and fucking love "manilla" by Seelenluft. Can anyone recomend me anything similar?

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 9 August 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

for techno try also:
1. Juan Atkins - Mastermix V1 (easy to find and has classics and minimal and booty and german dubby = more range)
2. VA - Tresor V4: Solid

its possible to quibble quibble or list list but i think that as far as scope is concerned, those discs will introduce a lot of different ideas to you quite qucikly. when you want more detail, look at the names of the labels listed in the Atkins comp and use slsk to hear more (from those labels).

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 9 August 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

in re tribal there are probably some good tenaglia albums from the 90s that can be discussed but i dont know which ones. i have a steve lawler mix and its not horrible (the nu breed glasgow underground mix)

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 9 August 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

ooohh haha GLOBAL underground, not Glasgow.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 9 August 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone have any books to recommend? Particularly ones that are easily obtainably on Amazon or the like.

Also, what are some really good mixes on www.deephousepage.com ? My eyeballs are glazing over at these huge lists ...

+, Monday, 9 August 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

there are lots of good books.
Generation Ecstasy - Simon Reynolds
Techno Rebels - Dan Sicko
Last Night a DJ Saved My Life - Brewster and Broughton

there is a "History of House" but I have yet to get my paws on it.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 9 August 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

this double CD http://www.discogs.com/release/12116 is as good as it gets, and if anyone can burn me a copy, they can have my firstborn

no firstborn required, but drop me a line dan.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 9 August 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

re: deephousepage.com

look at the dates...there's lots of new mixes with boring new stuff, but there's also lots of new mixes filled with classics, which may be good primers, they are usually defined as such.

stuff from the late 70s/early 80s is often pretty low-fi and often a typical mix of classic disco. stuff from the mid to late 80s is often from the radio, most famously WBMX and other chicago radio stations.

look at the DJs, the big names like Frankie Knuckles, Ron Hardy etc, most of these mixes predate house but that is who house music was defined, by what these guys played and how it influenced people, and early house would creep in. Listen to Hot Mix 5 mixes from 86/87, I especially like those from Mickey Mixin Oliver, who mixed top 40 pop, italo-disco, new york club classics, early house and techno, british new wave etc, like it was all the same thing. Which it can be.

Other stuff of interest is live Lil Louis and a really cool set of Bobby Konders at Cheetah with a live performance from the Jungle Brothers.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 9 August 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The 20th century trax has been out for a while - i copped it at gramaphone at the beginning of the summer.

It's got 2 discs which are mixes of some 35 odd (off the top of my head) classic trax releases, then a third disc that has some of the landmark tracks unmixed.

djdee2005, Monday, 9 August 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say start with going out to clubs where they play house music. See what you like, what you don't like, develop an appreciation for what it is, dance music. You can always buy the Trax compilation if you want to get archeological about it. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just doesn't seem like the most import thing to me if you're just starting out.

JoB (JoB), Monday, 9 August 2004 06:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I disagree. At least where I am, if you start going out, 99% of the time what you will hear is a very different strand of house then what you'd get on those Trax comps. I know I never would've become a fan based on most of my clubbing experiences, and I've had to search out the places where they actually play the good stuff.

I think it's worthwhile to explore the classics and get a base of understanding.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 9 August 2004 06:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The two-volume Masters At Work anniversary compilation on BBE is pretty good for a slice of 90's NYC. But it could be MAW overkill.

Star Hustler, Monday, 9 August 2004 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/release/48569

This is always my recommended starting place for people new to House.
A great comp, mixed well and covering a large spectrum of the "house" sound, from early acid stuff to later funky disco loops stuff.

rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

While the recent Trax compilations are great, just focusing on them would give you a skewed notion of early house (I mean, if you're not hearing DJ International Records shit, for example, you're missing a huge chunk). I'd start with Trax AND something like Marshall Jefferson's Move Your Body: The Evolution of Chicago House mix, which functions both as an informative comp and a lovely (2-disc!) mix in itself. Marshall's mix is kind of a microcosmic version of this 15-disc box set, The History of the House Sound of Chicago. If you have the time, learn that and live by it.

Also seek out any and every Steve "Silk" Hurley production...he's under-appreciated, but during the '90s, he realized exactly how electronic disco should sound.

Oh, and there's no such thing as MAW overkill.

Rich, Monday, 9 August 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't think i've ever heard any Basic Channel

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

That needs to change SteveM!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

it's time for the percolator

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.discogs.com/release/36634

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 9 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think it's time for the percolator...It's only 1:23 in the afternoon. I practically just got up.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Did we get this far without mentioning KOMPAKT?

They certainly have a "pop" accessibilty that could act as an easy gateway into house for people not well versed in track-based music. Obviously Kompakt weren't one of the originators, but still, if you have to ease people in, ease them in!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Really? You think Kompakt is less tracky than all the classic stuff discussed on this thread?

I can see Kompakt as a gateway for electronic music listeners...for pop fans, I'd probably point them in the direction of Trax or International DJ for early stuff, and Defected or Soulfuric for current -- just soul/R&B/pop pumped up with four-on-the-floors. But it all really depends on how lush and/or cheesy you want to get.

Rich, Monday, 9 August 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah I don't see Kompakt being a way to "ease" people in, no matter how much i like the stuff they put out.

There's enough pop/rnb crossover stuff that can get people started - I mean in all truth the easiest place to start is a good houseified remix of a chart hit

rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

DJ Sammy

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the suggestion to go out shouldn't be taken lightly, jess's list is great but you could spend all day downloading stuff and it'd not introduce you to house as well as seeing a few great dj sets. or even some average ones with big crowds.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

all I'm sayin' is if your in NY, or most cities in america...going out is probably a BAD way to get into dance music. It's a sad sad thing, I know, but it's the truth.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 9 August 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.livingart.com/raving/articles/housemusic101.htm

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 9 August 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, if you go out to hear house music in SF, you'll run screaming from the genre. Which is a damn crying shame.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 9 August 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

THIS IS MUSHROOM JAZZ

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 9 August 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't know what you NY and SF people are complaining about. you've got some of the most vibrant and exciting scenes in all of the US. i'm guessing you just don't get out much maybe, cos i've been out in both of those cities within the last 2 years and had AMAZING nights both places...

rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 9 August 2004 17:29 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, I go out more then most people in NYC. You were lucky. You have to know where to go and even then it's inconsistent. We don't have Optimo every weekend, for instance.

I assume mr. sherburne knows a thing or two about the nightlife as well!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 9 August 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

but you have such a variety and almost always there is something "decent" going on. that's more than 90% of other cities can say. i'm guessing if you go out that much in the city that maybe you just have a higher expectation of what is worth hearing/seeing than most of the rest of us? i mean honestly, i can only think of london as the place i'd rather go out than nyc and/or sf

rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 9 August 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps, but I wouldn't say there is always something "decent' going on. I guess it depends on what you are looking for. Being involved with nightlife here, I've been pretty dissapointed with the situation.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 9 August 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

try living in atlanta sometime, which is where i was for 8 years of going out before i moved to south florida

rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 9 August 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel guilty for having Optimo just down the road and not having gone in a month. It's not exactly a house night though.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 9 August 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

part of the problem is that, even though there are lots and lots of great local djs playing small nights everywhere, many only come out for the big names. mancuso says all that counts is the music and the people and most nights either have one or the other. i didnt realize how much of an issue this is until i started working at a lounge that happens to also own another club around the corner. i hear djs all night at work, and then go out for a few more hours after work and hear more djs... now that i think about it, the weather is probably more of a factor than any other ;-) my manager talks about this stuff all the time... he hates the idea that people talk about going to "see" someone, instead of to hear. he books big names at his club, and then doesnt promote at all because he doesnt want to be slammed because tony humphries is there, he wants his regular customers to come in one night and have tony humphries playing. its special like that.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 9 August 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

figured it out.
5001 - 20th anniversary set 3cd
5002 - Next Generation 3cd
5003 - Acid Classics 1cd
5004 - Queer Trax: Coming in Loud and Queer 1cd
5005 - Rarities and B-Sides 1cd

looks to be different trax on each cd.

i got 5005 last night and it is great! The Byron Stingley track is great, that midpoint between house and r&b but pre-deep-house. live bassplaying, etc. from 1985. the Basement Jaxx remix of Adonis is good as well. they really picked out some gems, its feels very fresh. im so sick of hearing the same trax records on every fucking comp ever.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

not enough porter ricks

sanjay, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

which of those CDs has the Jamie Principle/Frankie Knuckles 'Your Love', because that's just about the best song ever written.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

It's on the first one...maybe twice actually (mixed and unmixed, though it could be on the oddly unmixed conclusion of the second purported mix)...I actually prefer "Baby Wants to Ride."

The Byron track is pre-Ten City, no? Weird.

Rich, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

it sure is one of the best songs ever. absolutely amazing.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"Your Love" is at the end of one of the mixed discs, but it's not actually mixed with previous track, as if the DJ thought mixing it woul sully its perfection (oddly DJ Kaos also did this on his !k7 Christmas mix!)

The unmixed track is "You Got The Love", which has a female vocalist singing a slightly different song over largely the same backing track.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

is that a boot?

gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"Your Love" has that great sequencer intro--you'd be a fool to play anything under it, save maybe "Here Comes The Rain Again"

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You Got The Love is by and large a bootleg aye

the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahah the VengaBoys track is probably more familiar than most house tracks in the "birthplace of house" here in chicago bcuz Six Flags Great America is using it on its incredibly irritating commercials.

Jess - "One More Time" was pretty huge man. Obviously, yeah, the most well-known american house is "Jock jams" style but daft punk made it pretty well with that one.

Fatboy Slim and Moby were easily the biggest dance music stars in the united states of the past decade.

djdee2005, Thursday, 12 August 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

well the stingley track is from 1985 and i thought they formed a year or two later so maybe it is (pre-ten city).

i prefer "baby wants to ride" too but its nice having both on one 12"! I played "baby..." at my colelge radio station once and it was nice to see the disgusted faces on people i disliked but i didnt play the record for that effect.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 12 August 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm more a "Your Love" fan, if only for when the bassline kicks in and the song's bleeping intro lurches into motion.

djdee2005, Thursday, 12 August 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

actually i am really a fan of "the whistle song" with "I have a dream..." played on top.

Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 12 August 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

now you're talking...

tricky disco, Thursday, 12 August 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

the "You Got The Love" thing is done really badly, the synths and stuff sound crap compared to the original "Your Love".

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 13 August 2004 10:10 (twenty-one years ago)

this was a good thread

yo i honestly had not heard gypsy woman in 10+ years until i d/led it just now to find out what the hell it was!

artiste, Thursday, 19 August 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

wzou 94.5 was the shit

artiste, Thursday, 19 August 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

So I got that Trax 20th Anniversary mix thing, partly out of curiosity or out of a desire to immerse myself in something foreign (to me), and I kinda like it. There is some weird stuff on there. The standout for me is "Your Love" (Frankie Knuckles), which I guess is a copout, since that's probably the closest thing to 'rock music' or whatever on there, but it's a lot of stuff to absorb and I'm still taking it all in.

n.a. (Nick A.), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Make sure you listen to it at peak volume with the lights off.

sexyDancer, Monday, 23 August 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

for the story behind Your Love and House Music in general, I highly recommend watching this:

http://deephousepage.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=7;t=000013

It's a british documentary called Pump Up the Volume Part 1 and covers the birth of house music in Chicago. It talks about how Jamie Principle wrote Your Love and made tapes of it which circulated through the clubs where Frankie Knuckles and all would play it. Everyone figured it was some more of that european electronic disco that was getting so popular and when they realized that it was a local guy doing it on a budget, the result was something akin to the Sex Pistols influence. But like the Damned to the Pistols, it was Jesse Saunders who got the first vinyl release out. Anyway, watch it yourselves...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

This link is really amazing.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 23 August 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"The standout for me is "Your Love" (Frankie Knuckles), which I guess is a copout..."

Marshall Jefferson didn't think so when he played it here in Toronto last Friday
night, and neither did the room full of house heads who proceeded to go nuts upon hearing the intro. So, no, not a copout at all.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Monday, 23 August 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Should I go see Frankie Knuckles spin for free in Grant Park on Wednesday?

n.a. (Nick A.), Monday, 23 August 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I would.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 23 August 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...
I got the the Trax 20th thing a couple months ago because of this thread. I had never really heard any of that stuff before, at least not intentionally. It was neat to be able to recognize that some of the best tracks on there are in GTA: San Andreas. I wouldn't have known or cared otherwise.

Steely Zan (AaronHz), Sunday, 2 January 2005 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I only ever listen to SF:UR in GTA!

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 2 January 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
hey did anyone happen to save the pump up the volume documentary mentioned above? it looks like it's been taken down, but i am v curious to see it.

rm265, Sunday, 23 January 2005 06:29 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
I bought the Trax 20th Anniversary compilation thanks to this ILM thread, and I flippin' love it! Thank you, ILM!

http://www.championparties.com/images/THANK-YOU-NOTE.gif

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
The only way to really understand house is to go out to a club and dance to it. with a great DJ like say Derrick Carter. And take ecstasy.

Malis, Monday, 27 June 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

very useful thread for my prodding, very new (<24 hrs) interest in house.

thx guys.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 27 January 2008 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

BIG HOUSE aka the jackmaster.

jim, Sunday, 27 January 2008 22:21 (eighteen years ago)

hoos is a feeling

and what, Sunday, 27 January 2008 22:32 (eighteen years ago)

hoos music all, night, long

blunt, Sunday, 27 January 2008 23:11 (eighteen years ago)

hoos your body, hoos your body

deej, Sunday, 27 January 2008 23:13 (eighteen years ago)

The Hoos That Steendriver Built

Tim F, Sunday, 27 January 2008 23:14 (eighteen years ago)

You may be black, you may be white; you may be Jew or Gentile. It don't make a difference to our HOOS.
And this is fresh.

deej, Sunday, 27 January 2008 23:20 (eighteen years ago)

Come on guys, stop being such jerks. let there be hoos

Ronan, Sunday, 27 January 2008 23:20 (eighteen years ago)

Girl I'll Hoos you!

Tuomas, Sunday, 27 January 2008 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

You're in my HOOS nowwww

deej, Sunday, 27 January 2008 23:26 (eighteen years ago)

great work everybody.

gr8080, Sunday, 27 January 2008 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

hoo-oo-hoo-oo-hoo-oo-hoo-oos nation

blueski, Monday, 28 January 2008 00:07 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/user/HouseMasterz

Bodrick III, Monday, 28 January 2008 00:32 (eighteen years ago)

ahem

*coughcough*

ahem

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 28 January 2008 07:52 (eighteen years ago)

the above is a link to dl disc 1 of larry levan/paradise garage, if i'm being too subtle.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 28 January 2008 07:52 (eighteen years ago)

thats nice and one of my favorite cds but not really house music

deej, Monday, 28 January 2008 10:36 (eighteen years ago)

but yeah selection is impeccable, i bought this new for like 9.99 when some local coconuts was going out of business maybe 4-5 years back and its been a constant in my life since ... immediate party starter

deej, Monday, 28 January 2008 10:38 (eighteen years ago)

ive slowly obtained virtually every record on disc 1 (or a reissue of such, i dont really give a shit about 'collectability') and im about to get started on disc 2. Hoos I highly recommend the Change record that 'angel in my pocket' from disc two is off of, if you see it somewhere; you can usually find it for like 6-7 bucks used.

deej, Monday, 28 January 2008 10:39 (eighteen years ago)

its got an early appearance from luther vandross

deej, Monday, 28 January 2008 10:39 (eighteen years ago)

hm just linked to it cause i saw it recommended upthread and thought it'd be appropriate. you tipped me to it first though!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 28 January 2008 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

yeah no offense i just was disappointed i couldnt really make any hoos puns out of it

deej, Monday, 28 January 2008 20:59 (eighteen years ago)


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