Also, is she a different person to this Nelly artist I've heard about?
― DV, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― RW, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Yes she is. Unlike Ms. Furtado, I rather like Nelly...
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― gareth, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Furtado's music is bollocks as far as I can hear.
― Robin Carmody, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Basically, she makes R&B records that are not threatening, with production that is not particularly spicy. Think of whatever is playing on your local Urban R&B station, any think of a pale comparison with more emphasis on vocal melodies, and far less verve in the vocal delivery.
It is not really bad, it is just that if I want to hear black music, I want to hear black music. I do not want to hear black music compromised by a white artist with the intention of crossing over and making a musical idiom easily digestible to a suburban middle class audience. It is lukewarm pop-R&B at best.
― Michael Taylor, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
"...I want to hear black music, I want to hear black music. I do not want to hear black music compromised by a white artist with the intention of crossing over and making a musical idiom easily digestible to a suburban middle class audience. It is lukewarm pop-R&B at best."
To hear you describe it, you'd think "black music" was as inaccessible as "No Wave" or "Grindcore" (oooh! WHITE music, to use your terminology). It's not like R&B is particularly adventurous listening. To assert such parameters does a disservice to the music. Do you think those artists (R&B) had a race-defined agenda when they made it?
― Alex in NYC, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Honda, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nude Spock, Saturday, 1 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― helen fordsdale (nathalie), Sunday, 2 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave q, Sunday, 2 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 2 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
The R&B NF (apparently) rips off and makes safe outsells her or at least does the same business, I get the impression, so something isn't working.
Anyway she 'rips off R&B' to the same extent that all pop currently does - the image is of a popstar who's got singer-songwriterly chops as well as looks and vocal chops, so she's a bit more 4 Real than say Christina. She's got a nasty adenoidal voice. Ally K liked her first single a lot, Pete B liked her second single a lot. That's all I know.
― Tom, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I think I was interested by her because i) her album title had a comics reference in it (since debunked) ii) she's quite attractive in a Salma Hayek kind of way but paradoxically iii) she doesn't let it all hang out the way some of those pop tarts do, so I thought maybe she might make the kind of music I like.
Obviously not. While I'm open to R&B, I'm not open to R&B-lite.
― DV, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― dave q, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dave225, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Honda, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nicole, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Everyone hates indie music because it's deliberately non-mainstream. The best music is that which attempts to appeal to the largest possible audience.
Therefore, Nelly Furtado is scientifically proven to be BRILLIANT, as she is smoothing the rough edges off R&B and making it more accessible to the masses.
Well, I'm convinced. I'll pick up "Woaahhhh Nelly" on the way home.
― gareth, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sarah, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― David Raposa, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
R&B-lite = Jill Scott & Craig David, only one of whom is good. R&B heavy = Maxwell, Tyrese, again only one of whom is good.
i like her (quite) as long as i don't have to look at her: her melisma = v. extremely anti-R&B
in what way is grindcore "threatening" (unless CD falls off building blah blah)?
― mark s, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in NYC, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― bnw, Monday, 3 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
I think if Alex in NYC wasn't scared of R&B he wouldn't complain all the time, therefore R&B = threatening.
Also, R&B = sex. sex = dangerous. According to greek philosophy, therefore R&B = dangerous.
― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
i dont think her music merits any particular scrutiny though. when i think of her, i think of the term 'vocalist'. not singer, just someone who can sing better than her mates, over music that is at the very centre of bland (although i dont like the pejorative here), er....normal, sort of end of 90's music, that in a way, defies description, because it has no distinguishing features/influences.
is nelly furtado well cutting edge then? i look forward to the next edition of the wire*
*this may be a contradiction in terms
― ambrose, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Arthur, Tuesday, 4 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Dude, Pink is ass, she's almost as objectionable as Gwen Stefani, only not nearly so bad because Gwen is like pure evil or something. Pink's new song is just...argh. And her old songs weren't really much better when I think about it. I DON'T LIKE PINK!
How does R&B = sex? The only music I've ever had sex to is Duran Duran (I swear to god I'm not making that up, TWICE now, it's really fucked up). Oh, and I think Massive Attack once but that was terrible, all I could keep thinking about was "Why has he put on such wanky pretentious 'I'm too soph to put on R&B so I put on this obvious sex music instead'? Shouldn't he just be honest and put on Marvin Bloody Gaye since that's what he's thinking in his head?" No, I don't fancy the idea of having sex to R&B and I don't find anything sexy about the R&B I like.
― Ally, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
However, I have problems with most slow-jams that aren't totally ridiculous (like R. Kelly's).
― David Raposa, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
If "Rock The Boat" is one of the most boring songs on _Aaliyah_, I MUST HAVE THAT ALBUM.
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
Would it be impolite to ask about the status of the sex lives of posters who think of that as sex music?
― Tim, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 5 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ally, Thursday, 6 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)
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― Mind Taker, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)
so apparently nelly's next ablum is entirely produced by timbaland. the two first songs being great i can't wait to hear the rest (i don't really get the hate for nelly here... bah...even the presence of chris martin is not enough to turn me away from her !).
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)
anyone check out her new album?
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 13:49 (thirteen years ago)
I am two tracks in and I am regaining respect for Rodney Jerkins, which I did not expect
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 13:52 (thirteen years ago)
i liked a lot of the production on this, pity the songwriting doesn't really match up
― lex pretend, Monday, 24 September 2012 13:55 (thirteen years ago)
The songs don't seem any weaker than what she had on Loose to me.
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:12 (thirteen years ago)
http://www.npr.org/2012/09/20/161403153/nelly-furtado-inspires-the-spirit-indestructible
This profile thing focusses on uplift and her save the children efforts but doesn't say a lot re how this impacts her album musically. It also addresses her lyrical transition back to English from Spanish.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:44 (thirteen years ago)
okay this Tiesto remix of "Thoughts" is wholly unnecessary
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:55 (thirteen years ago)
feel kinda bad for her that this is her first English album since Loose and nobody has an idea it's coming out
― some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:58 (thirteen years ago)
There was a thing in this mornings Metro about it.
― Mark G, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:23 (thirteen years ago)
Randall Roberts in the LA Times loves it:
On her fifth studio album, "The Spirit Indestructible," Furtado teams with superstar producer-songwriter Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins, Salaam Remi and Passion Pit founder Mike Angelekos to create a thick, jam-filled joyride with more emotional heft than all her peers save maybe Beyoncé. Madonna wishes she could make a record as vital and imaginative as even the lesser tracks on "Spirit."
― curmudgeon, Monday, 24 September 2012 15:59 (thirteen years ago)
this is way way waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than MDNA
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 17:15 (thirteen years ago)
thick, jam-filled
http://kitchen.buddygo.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Swiss-Roll.png
― bizarro gazzara, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:48 (thirteen years ago)
hmmm I want to check this out
― did drake invent yolo (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:21 (thirteen years ago)
http://open.spotify.com/album/3PIatRn64R1SHgn3PzlvxU
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 18:23 (thirteen years ago)
― some dude, Monday, 24 September 2012
"big hoops" was kind of like a big deal in the UK and environs
― zvookster, Monday, 24 September 2012 18:49 (thirteen years ago)
really? they're not weak or obviously bad per se but there's nothing here as addictive, like need-to-hear-on-loop-for-foreseeable-future addictive, as half of loose. they're just okayish.
well yeah, lol
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 05:15 (thirteen years ago)
― zvookster, Monday, September 24, 2012 2:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ok, but in the US her last album had multiple #1 hits and so far this one hasn't even cracked the Hot 100
also woah zvookster's back
― some dude, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 11:15 (thirteen years ago)
big hoops seems a little tryhard no? not to say a lot of her previous stuff didn't
― teledyldonix, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:12 (thirteen years ago)
ok this album is pretty hard to take, especially when furtado says things like "banger" and "drop the beat" in her mom jeans speaking voice between songs
― some dude, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 21:50 (thirteen years ago)
She did that on Loose too!
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 21:52 (thirteen years ago)
haha i never listened to that album in full, gross
― some dude, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 21:58 (thirteen years ago)
I kinda dig this
― flags in the post (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 20 January 2013 05:12 (twelve years ago)
"I'm Like a Bird" apart from being a lovely song seems singular to me in that it's a debut single from a 22-year old who holds solo writing credits and won a grammy for song of the year, Billboard #9 peak but absolutely massive in other countries
― corrs unplugged, Friday, 6 May 2022 06:27 (three years ago)