the practice of shouting out the names of various dances in a song - is it retro?

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Almost omnipresent in 60's danceable Pop ("Land Of A Thousand Dances", "Nobody But Me", "Papa's Got A Brand New Bag", "Do You Love Me?", etc etc etc), but after that it kind of vanished from the scene - I can't think of many Funk, classic Dancehall, Disco, Dance, old Hip-Hop or Europop songs that do it (I can think of some New Wave tracks, but in an obviously ironic fashion, cf. DAF) I always thought that it had something to do with dancing itself becoming less formalised, like in the early 60's teenagers actually would take the time to learn the Twist and the Hully Gully and all that, and of course there'd be tv shows teaching them how to do all these diferent steps, but then in the late 60's that kinda stopped, due to hippiedom in Rock and Funk/concept albums in R&B, I guess. I suppose it never got revived until now, even after dancing became a bit more formalised again (Disco) because it just seemed too quaint? But also I just couldn't imagine dancers of my generation at least actually taking the time to learn a whole bunch of dances to pass in revue, it's enough of a bother to memorize the macarena or the ketchup song by itself! I do remember girls from my school learning very elaborate choreographies from boy-band/girl-group videos, but those never seemed to be about dancing per se, more like a form of acting (i.e. it was all about pretending to be Ginger Spice, not showing off your ultra-complex moves).

Anyway, it seems to have come back now, as exemplified by the "Yeah!" video and countless recent Dancehall tracks. So what I'm wondering is this: am I right in my analysis, or is there actually a long line of choons keeping this tradition alive that I just haven't heard yet? Also, if I am right, why has it resurfaced now, of all times? Is it self-conciously retro? Is Li'l Jon taking the piss out of/celebrating that whole ancient "American Bandstand" thing, or is he probably totally unaware of the connection? Are the current usages of this pratice meant as a joke/gimmick, or are they actually emulated in clubs and shit? Is it a bit daft to lump "Yeah!" in with the jamican stuff (I know that the evolution of dancing steps was very essential to the development of jamaican music in the 60's)? Do most of the dances that Richie Feelings & co. shout out even exist??

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago)

"The Frug" by Rilo Kiley offers the frug, the robocop, the freddie, and the smurf.

Softly Weeping at the Oki Dog (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago)

the b52s rule

chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:29 (twenty years ago)

also, dub narcotic

chris andrews (fraew), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:30 (twenty years ago)

"Revolution 9"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:40 (twenty years ago)

hey, macarena

cws (cws), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I was gonna mention the B52s. I think it does seem kind of quaint, and the trend seems to be for more individual dancing, but I think it can carry on in forms - ie set dance routines to pop songs. Remember that it was teenagers twisting etc., and it still happened in the 90s with the Time Warp etc. Teenage girls seem very keen on practicing dance routines to songs, and I think if they are willing to do that, they would probably respond to shouting dance instructions in a song. And drunk old people at weddings would like it a lot.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:50 (twenty years ago)

what about the ubiquitous hip-hop "throw ya hands in the air" crowd move? I guess that isn't really a dance... the Biz has got some actual "dance" songs ("Mudfoot"), so does a bunch of early hip-hop now that I think of it (EPMD - "Steve Martin", Digital Underground "Humpty Dance"). I guess they aren't shouting out a variety though, just one particular move...

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago)

The Beastie Boys (notably Mike D) seem to do it all the time.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 2 September 2004 23:28 (twenty years ago)

It never went away in some quarters ahem.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 2 September 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago)

The B52's and Dub Narcotic are prime examples of what I alluded to amongst New Wave groups in my first post: self-concious retro is basically what these bands do. It's done with self awareness - "see, we're pretending it's the early 60's (or some bizarro version thereof!)" Which isn't to say that it's dishonest or that I wouldn't have a blast coming up with actual moves for it in Indie Clubs, but it's always an homage, something that's aware of its own quaintness.

Contrast this with the videos for "Yeah!" or Sean Paul's "Like Glue": the Sean Paul video isn't taking place on the "Ed Sullivan Show". Ludacris isn't pretending to be Dick Clark. In both cases, it's done matter-of-factly, like "this is just what we DO in the club, man!" There's humour, but it comes almost exclusively from the dances themselves, since rowing like a boat is cool/amusing in the same way that I'm sure doing the hully gully was to 60's teens (dancing may have been serious work, then, but I don't think there was ever a time when it was approached totally without humour.) So is there a barely visible wink in there or not? I don't really know.

xpost rockist I was *totally* thinking of you when I asked whether the tradition actually continued in some venues that I've overlooked, please elaborate

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 2 September 2004 23:52 (twenty years ago)

The really stunning thing when you think about it is that most of the dances shouted out in quick succession in those 60's records were as fully formed as any humpty dance or macarena, entities of their own that had entire records dedicated to them. So imagine how many dances those kids had to learn to show off for "Nobody But Me"!!!

My indie dancing self totally couldn't handle a full-fledged return to this sort of approach, but man, it'd sure be cool to witness.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 2 September 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Ahem, dancehall.

Obviously.

BTW - does anyone know if there's a resource anywhere that tells you what all the dances actually involve e.g. "sitting on the plane" and "Pon the river, pon the bank"?

Cos I'd like that...

Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 3 September 2004 00:59 (twenty years ago)

Jacob, Dancehall has been mentioned, it's the only evidence I have apart from "Yeah!" As I've said above, I'm not entirely sure whether or not all the moves shouted out by dancehall artists actually exist, but the "Like Glue" video highlights some of 'em.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 3 September 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago)

(tho iirc not the ones you mentioned, which I think only became popular some time afterwards, tho my talent w/ keeping up with the chronology of this stuff is less than stellar. And you've probably seen the vid anyway.)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 3 September 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago)

"Do the Roc-away. Now lean back, lean back, lean back, lean back"

joseph pot (STINKORâ„¢), Friday, 3 September 2004 01:23 (twenty years ago)

What's to bet I'm the only one who was thinking of

'The Lambeth Walk'

when I clicked on this thread

Sasha (sgh), Friday, 3 September 2004 01:31 (twenty years ago)

new dancing lessons

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 3 September 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago)

The stepping phenomenon seems like a return to this. Particular moves, not entire dances, are called out, but still.

briania (briania), Friday, 3 September 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago)


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