"republicans are like ashley [sic] simpson, and democraps are like radiohead."

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I know, Moby is such an easy target, but some people I know were gushing about how much they agreed with this analogy he made and it's so infuriatingly self-serving and wrongheaded and stupid that I couldn't bring myself to even want to explain how stupid it was. so I'm sharing it with you all to make fun of it.

http://www.moby.com/cms/viewdiary.asp?Diary_ID=2026&ViewType=Current

"ok, now this is REALLY going to be the last political update for a while...
you know what politics is/are like in the united states?
it's like pop-music and/or dating.
example a: pop-music.
republicans are like ashley simpson, and democrats are like radiohead. radiohead fans will forever be mystified as to why someone would buy an ashley simpson cd, but ashley simpson's handlers/managers understand what the lowest common denominator are looking for and they give it to them. radiohead fans think 'that disposable pop music is terrible, and someday people will see the error of their ways and buy radiohead cd's instead of ashley simpson cd's', meanwhile ashley simpson and her managers are selling millions of records.
example b: dating.
democrats are the bright, conscientious, responsible guy in the corner of the party and republicans are the loud, boastful, arrogant guy in the middle of the room. the bright guy in the corner thinks 'that loud guy in the middle of the room is a jerk and eventually everyone will see him for what he is', but the loud guy goes home with the hot girl and the bright guy in the corner goes home alone.

my point?
yes, radiohead are better than ashley simpson.
and yes, the bright, interesting guy in the corner is better than the loud jerk in the middle of the room. but ashley simpson and the loud jerk in the middle of the room know what people want, and that's why they(and the republicans)are winning.
democrats are nuanced and complicated and republicans are simple and sound-bitey.
people want bright shiny simplicity, not dark obscure complexity.
the democrats put their trust in people's better instincts whereas the republicans put their trust in people's basest instincts.
and that's why the republicans are winning, because they're not governed by ideals, they're governed by results. the republicans want to win no matter what, whereas the democrats want to win because the public will, hopefully, recognize the primacy of their ideas.
and that's why democrats are the step-child party. that's why democrats are the avis to the republicans hertz. that's why democrats are the runners up. because the republicans know how to sell and they know how to win.
of course my hope is that the democrats will learn from the republicans and learn how to win.
but too often it seems that democrats take the 'high road' when the noble and effective thing would be to join the battle in the trenches.
republicans are dirty, and will stop at nothing to win. we saw in 2000 that when democrats take the 'high road' that they lose.
so that's the choice, democrats: take the 'high road' and lose, or learn how to compete in the real world and run the risk of winning...
bill clinton did it, and he won.
al gore didn't do it, and he lost.
i hope that john kerry learns from bill clinton...
-moby"


Al (sitcom), Friday, 3 September 2004 01:39 (twenty years ago)

haha I totally did not mean to type "democrats" as "democraps" in the subject line! how freudian!

Al (sitcom), Friday, 3 September 2004 01:43 (twenty years ago)

Obie, please stomp Moby.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 3 September 2004 01:50 (twenty years ago)

haha, he probably thinks he just formulated this himself. it's the same reason mario cuomo says democrats can't do talk radio cause of all their clever nuance, it's too difficult to get it through the thick heads of those we are meant to rule. air america has just arrived in denver, i am hooked, it's one conspiracy theory after another, it's brilliant. 'you can't fight a war on a feeling', randy rhodes(sp?) is genius!

keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 3 September 2004 02:52 (twenty years ago)

I'd say he has a better handle on politics than he does music.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 3 September 2004 04:15 (twenty years ago)

Wait, so the republicans appeal to our worship of youth and irony?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 3 September 2004 04:28 (twenty years ago)

Hey, people can like Radiohead for their youth and irony too.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 September 2004 04:32 (twenty years ago)

To sum up: Democrats are Moby. Republicans are Obie.

Bill Clinton is Eminem.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 3 September 2004 04:35 (twenty years ago)

Democrats are the Sun City Girls, Republicans are Frankie Yankovich.

Monica Lewinski is Anal Cunt.

David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 3 September 2004 04:37 (twenty years ago)

i like how the artists in his analogy of the american two-party system don't even necessarily have to be american.

f ath, Friday, 3 September 2004 04:40 (twenty years ago)

republicans are lita ford, democrats are joan jett

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 3 September 2004 05:09 (twenty years ago)

That is one arrogantly stupid analogy, both in the realm of music and politics, and I now see that my hatred of Moby is completely and utterly justified.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Friday, 3 September 2004 05:41 (twenty years ago)

what will it take for moby to realise how lame he is? honestly.

the essays in his liner notes are mostly patronizing, not insightful or even funny. why does he think he's so damn profound? i don't know, i wish i could just feel slightly embarassed for him and leave it at that... but stuff like this just begs to be shot down.

reo, Friday, 3 September 2004 09:45 (twenty years ago)

Republicans are Wynton Marsalis, Democrats are John Zorn, Nader is Sisqo.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:34 (twenty years ago)

I actually don't mind Moby, but I must say, this is an incredibly naive, simplistic and patronizing analogy.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:36 (twenty years ago)

democrats are the bright, conscientious, responsible guy in the corner of the party and republicans are the loud, boastful, arrogant guy in the middle of the room. the bright guy in the corner thinks 'that loud guy in the middle of the room is a jerk and eventually everyone will see him for what he is', but the loud guy goes home with the hot girl and the bright guy in the corner goes home alone.

cue Kerry rendition of "How Soon Is Now?"

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:40 (twenty years ago)

on reading it for the second time, this analogy does in fact produce a strong headache.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 4 September 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago)

Yea but i still like your original response:

republicans are lita ford, democrats are joan jett

or

republicans are like lars ulrich and democrats are like um.. richard ashcroft?

hector (hector), Saturday, 4 September 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago)

republicans are the archies democrats are old dirty bastard

artdamages (artdamages), Saturday, 4 September 2004 03:41 (twenty years ago)

Republicans are retarded, Democrats are mentally challenged, Moby is a gurp.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 4 September 2004 03:50 (twenty years ago)

whatsa gurp? or am I one for asking?

artdamages (artdamages), Saturday, 4 September 2004 03:54 (twenty years ago)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gurp&r=f

AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 4 September 2004 04:17 (twenty years ago)

the left treats elections like the charts, with disdain, a palpable disdain for "results" :(

david acid (gareth), Sunday, 5 September 2004 10:22 (twenty years ago)

I want to hear "Make Love Fuck War"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 5 September 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago)

"the republicans are like coheed and the democrats are like cambria, both part of the same horrendous emo-prog monster..."

--nader (Yellowcard)

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 5 September 2004 18:37 (twenty years ago)

"In a perfect word, Democrats would be in the top 10"

Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 5 September 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Democrats only hope is doing well in the album charts really.
Put out the odd fan ep.

Krankenhaus, Sunday, 5 September 2004 20:29 (twenty years ago)

Mo(by)mus?

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Sunday, 5 September 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago)

"In a perfect word, Democrats would be in the top 10"

-- Mike Ouderkirk (moudrkr...) (webmail), September 5th, 2004 4:26 PM. (Mike Ouderkirk) (later) (link)
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this joke is actually pretty profound i think. viz. the nation's absurd insistence on the idea of a "silent progressive majority" or some such formulation. also in this analogy payola = vested military-industrial interests.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 5 September 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago)


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