I've always had a little thing saying "Buy the Bob Dylan album called "Dylan""

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and now I have.

It's supposed to be the worst album ever (or it was at the time), not just the worst Dylan album ever.

But I quite liked "Self Portrait". Heck, they can't all be "Blonde on Blonde" but I think it was fine. (the two live tracks were a waste of space admittedly, but that was all).

Anyway, I shall play "Dylan" by Bob Dylan. And shall let you know.

Meantime, other opinions?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Is the album of "Self-Portrait" out-takes that Columbia issued after Dylan jumped ship to another label in the 70s?

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

That should have read: "Is this the album..."

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

what other label?

peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Some label owned by David Geffen called Asylum. He recorded one album there before returning to the Columbia fold.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually two albums, I guess:

"The biggest coup for Geffen was signing Bob Dylan to a recording contract. Dylan had become unhappy with Columbia and was shopping around for a new label. Columbia was trying to pressure Dylan to resign by threatening to issue Dylan material from the vault without his permission. When Columbia issued the dreadful album of Dylan outtakes titled "Dylan", Bob was pushed over the edge and signed with Asylum. He recorded two albums with Asylum, Planet Waves and Before the Flood with the Band as a backing group, both issued in 1974. After his short foray at Asylum, Dylan returned to the Columbia fold."

from http://www.bsnpubs.com/elektra/asylumstory.html

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes. He moved to Asylum in the USA / Island in the UK.

Briefly. "Before the flood" live album and one studio album. Both since reissued on CBS again.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:36 (twenty-one years ago)

All that was xpost, obv. Planet Waves. That was it. i have one of those. On Island records.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't Dylan and the Dead meant to defeat all comers in terms of being his very worst of all?

M Carty (mj_c), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't heard most of Bob's 80s albums but Dylan and the Dead is indeed awful (says a big fan of both Dylan and the Dead)

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got a real soft spot for "Dylan", it's nowhere near as bad as it's made out to be, and i'd go so far as to say that a lot of it is really enjoyable. his vocals are good and he interprets the material nicely. i'd place it higher than "Self Portrait", "Down In The Groove", "Empire Burlesque", "Dylan and the Dead", "Knocked Out Loaded", and (depending on my mood) "New Morning". It not being available on CD is baffling, as if it's been buried as part of some bizarre quality-control scheme...

So, i like it and think it's unfairly dismissed...

Officer Pupp, Friday, 10 September 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i have this album on cassette. i haven't listened to it in six years.

It not being available on CD is baffling, as if it's been buried as part of some bizarre quality-control scheme...

it was released by columbia when dylan jumped to asylum. the conventional wisdom is that it was released out of spite. (the album consists of outtakes from the self-portrait recording sessions.)

i would guess that when dylan returned to columbia, it was understood that this album would no longer be in the catalogue.

it's available in japan, i think.

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

also columbia revised the cover to saved when it was released on cd:

http://www.bobdylan.com/albumpic/saved.jpg

vs.

http://cover09.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/090/98964.jpg

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

No shit! I've only seen the record sleeve for that one. The revised cover is way to tame. I've always associated that record with those creepy chick-tract comics because of that wild cover.

danh (danh), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Pupp, are you saying that those are your bottom 6 Dylan records? Interesting list.

southern lights (southern lights), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, not that interesting now that I look at it; 5 of the 6 are in common with me.

southern lights (southern lights), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://store.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drc000/c011/c01153113xe.jpg

Probably the ugliest of Dylan's LP covers, at least until Saved. It's as though Columbia didn't want it to sell at all.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I like it. It makes him look like Bob Marley.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm baffled as to how New Morning could be on anyone's list of worst Dylan.

Reed Moore (diamond), Friday, 10 September 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not exactly bowled over by New Morning as a whole, although there are some very good tracks on it. It's not one of his very worst albums, although i am mostly underwhelmed by it... I did say that my opinion of it was mood-dependent!

i just wonder how "Dylan" would be regarded if it came out around the time of "Good As I Been To You" and "World Gone Wrong" as a trilolgy of interpretations of the great American songbook...

presumably mark's listened to it by now... what do you think mark?

Officer Pupp, Saturday, 11 September 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

When I think of New Morning (every 10 years or so)...I dunno, so many things about that LP depress me, and not in a good way. So many things just leave a bad taste in my mouth: The ugly, shoddy cover art [off-yellow is the only colour I hate more than pure yellow!], "If Dogs Run Free"'s silly beatnik recitation and clumsy scatting, the fact that Olivia Newton-John covered "If Not For You". And as for that 1962 photo on the back cover: WTF?!

But this is kinda amazing: My favourite cut is "Day Of The Locusts", which chronicles Dylan receiving an honourary degree from Princeton in 1970 during the height of cicada season. Now, those little buggers are born underground, and only emerge to mate after 17 YEARS (!!), practically overnight. They're everywhere for a month or two, and then...bye bye, see you in 17 years! Anyhow, they were at their peak when Dylan accepted his degree on 9 June 70, so he wrote a song about them. 17 years later, I bought "New Morning" at a garage sale. The date of that sale? Yep...9 June 1987, 17 years TO THE DAY after Bob got his degree! I played the LP that day, and the only track that really stood out at first was "Day Of The Locust." And that night I turned on the news, and their top story was, incredibly, "The Cicadas Are Back"! (Damn - wish I'd remembered this months ago. Wonder if anything weird happened on June 9th THIS year.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Saturday, 11 September 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i think bob dylan would like that story!

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 11 September 2004 11:20 (twenty-one years ago)

New Morning features one of Dylan's greatest songs, "The Man in Me," which the stoners will recognize as the tune playing during the opening credits of The Big Lebowski.

Also: "Sign on the Window."

Dylan isn't that bad. It was just so poorly received because people couldn't handle the idea of the ultimate songwriter doing covers in his weird voice.

shookout (shookout), Saturday, 11 September 2004 11:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The locust tale is good. I only know about the critters because of Jeremy Vine's programme about TIME and the animal kingdom, where he used pop culture to demonstrate the length of time the locusts take to emerge.

I think I like New Morning, but I don't own it.

The LP Dylan remains a mystery to me, since I first saw it listed long ago.

I have never heard 'George Jackson' or 'Could You Please Crawl Out Your Window?'. I don't think I've even heard Dylan sing 'Positively 4th Street'. I was reminded of this by reading Chimes of Freedom.

Another good song is 'Changing Of The Guards', on that other LP. Street Legal, I think.

the chimefox, Saturday, 11 September 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

oh my god, chimefox; don't let another day go by without you hearing Positively 4th Street- it's one of the best of his sneering "fuck-you" songs.

Could You Please Crawl Out Your Window is fun but negligable, I honestly can't remember how George Jackson goes although i'm sure i've got it somewhere.

While we're on the subject of Dylans "minor" albums- what do people think of "Shot Of Love"? i've got a real soft spot for it because it was the first of his albums i ever heard. obviously everyone rates Every Grain Of Sand, but i really enjoy the rest of it too. i don't know if my critical faculties are knocked off kilter because it was my first exposure to him (as a callow 12 year old) but it's generally regarded as being not terribly good. (oh, and Groom's Still Waiting At The Altar doesn't count- it wasn't on the album as released...)

Officer Pupp, Saturday, 11 September 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

presumably mark's listened to it by now... what do you think mark?


-- Officer Pupp (officerpup...) (webmail), September 11th, 2004. (link)

Not yet, shall tonight.

mark grout (mark grout), Saturday, 11 September 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got a 45 of Dylan's actually quite good version of "A Fool Such As I" (from that album).

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Saturday, 11 September 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Back on topic: Bob's version of "Mr. Bojangles" from the Dylan l.p. is a masterpiece in it's own right.

Mike Dixon, Saturday, 11 September 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, Myonga's locust story is great! And yeah, Myonga, they DID come back this year in early June -- at least in Ohio, where they interrupted the U.S. Open golf tournament. Dunno about Princeton.

http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=1815455

Reed Moore (diamond), Saturday, 11 September 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"positively 4th st" always struck me as an anomaly for that period of dylan's work, since it's so literal. no poetic allusion at all. (well, there are a few confusing lines, but not on the order of "gates of eden" or anything.)

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Saturday, 11 September 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, I have now.

Umm, the whole album is fine. Nothing wrong with it at all. A liveish vibe to the whole thing, if you were in a club and this band came out and played the whole album, the place would be stunned, I'm sure. One of the tracks had pretty lousy sound quality, (my album is virtually unplayed) and the backing girlie vocal group if overegged in places, but overall its a fine set and really should get some better star rating.

OK, if Planet Waves is a five star album, "Dylan" gets three and a half.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 13 September 2004 06:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Good call buddy.

Officer Pupp, Monday, 13 September 2004 07:01 (twenty-one years ago)

nine years pass...

It's coming out on CD! However, may only be part of this massive fucking box set:

http://www.bobdylan.com/us/news/bob-dylan-complete-album-collection-vol-1

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 17:16 (twelve years ago)

ha, is that right? there is some perfectly good stuff on there. don't like his "big yellow taxi".

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 17:20 (twelve years ago)

It's a fun little record. Unfairly maligned.

Only way I'm buying this is if it has the mono versions of the early albums so I can sell my mono box to recoup some money.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 17:26 (twelve years ago)

they would never make it that easy for you

tylerw, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 17:27 (twelve years ago)

Nope. There's too much dross in this set for me to seriously consider it. If someone wanted to buy it for me I wouldn't turn it down, but I've got the remasters I want and need to save for the 20 disc Complete Basement Tapes I dream about.

EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 17:30 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, the mono albums box is perfect, pick another five or so after that for the perfect set abridge.

Mark G, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 18:03 (twelve years ago)


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