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Looking for references to local places/things in songs .. Not as simple as "Detroit Rock City" - in fact, not really any where a city is mentioned...or references to stadiums where the band really rocked out. And not local bands talking about local haunts - unless it's a local band made good*... E.g. Pere Ubu "I turn the channel round to channel 43" - Channel 43 being a reference to quintessential 1970's Cleveland wasteland - that I think only someone from Cleveland would really get.

*local band made good, meaning people outside of their home town have heard of them.

So, list 'em .. local places, people,

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I been hangin' around gas stations
I been learnin' 'bout tires
I been talkin' to grease monkeys
I been workin' on cars

Moose Jaw, Broadview, Moosomin too
Runnin' back to Saskatoon
Red Deer, Terrace, Hanna, Medicine Hat
Sing another prairie tune
Sing another prairie tune

I been hangin' around libraries
I been learnin' 'bout books
I been talkin' to playwriters
I been workin' on words, phrases

Moose Jaw, Broadview, Moosomin too
Runnin' back to Saskatoon
Red Deer, Terrace, Hanna, Medicine Hat
Sing another prairie tune
Sing another prairie tune

I been hangin' around hospitals
I been learnin' 'bout dyin'
I been talkin' to heart doctors
I been workin' on disease

Moose Jaw, Broadview, Moosomin too
Runnin' back to Saskatoon
Red Deer, Terrace, Hanna, Medicine Hat
Sing another prairie tune
Sing another prairie tune

This tune is home grown
Don't come from Hong Kong
This tune is home grown
Don't come from Hong Kong

I been hangin' around grain elevators
I been learnin' 'bout food
I been talkin' to soil farmers
I been workin' on land

Moose Jaw, Broadview, Moosomin too
Runnin' back to Saskatoon
Red Deer, Terrace, Hanna, Medicine Hat
Sing another prairie tune
Sing another prairie tune

I been hangin' around camera stores
I been learnin' 'bout sight
I been talkin' to film makers
I been workin' on eyes

Moose Jaw, Broadview, Moosomin too
Runnin' back to Saskatoon
Red Deer, Terrace, Hanna, Medicine Hat
Sing another prairie tune
Sing another prairie tune

This tune is home grown
Don't come from Hong Kong
This tune is home grown
Don't come from Hong Kong

Huk-L, Monday, 13 September 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

"Does She Talk" by Matthew Sweet makes several references to age-old NYC cable access porn channel 35, even down to right before solo, when Sweet proclaims "DOWN HOME," which is an allusion to an ad once in constant rotaion on said channel whose catchphrase was "for Downhome Fuckin'!"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Awesome.

Do any (say) Smashing Pumpkins songs mention Empire Carpet?

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yo La Tengo's "The Crying of Lot G" is a reference to a parking lot at Newark Airport (as well as an obvious nod to Pynchon).

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

So don't ask me to wine and dine ya I'm from Brooklyn you're from Regina

Huk-L, Monday, 13 September 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Village People, "San Francisco": references to Folsom Street and the Castro

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

The Ramones' "It's Not My Place (In the 9 to 5 World)" mentions NYC radio mainstay Vin Scelsa.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh Besatie Boys.

sexyDancer, Monday, 13 September 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a Cop Shoot Cop b-side called "Queen of Shinbone Alley," which is a reference to an alley one block to the East of CBGB's on Lafayette. It's now gated off and comparitively posh-o, but I gather it might've been a hotspot for illegal hijinx back in the 80's.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

This shouldn't count, but it's one of my favorite Simpsons moments:

"Wow, wall to wall landmarks: Williamsburg Bridge, 4th Avenue, Governor's Island."

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"hotel yorba" is a real SRO on detroit's southwest side

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Soul Coughing (I know, I know) has a song that mentions the Jay Street-Borough Hall station and the Flatbush Extension.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Just behind the station, before you reach the traffic island, a river runs thru' a concrete channel.
I took you there once; I think it was after the Leadmill.
The water was dirty & smelt of industrialisation
Little mesters coughing their lungs up & globules the colour of tomato ketchup.
But it flows. Yeah, it flows.
Underneath the city thru' dirty brickwork conduits
Connecting white witches on the Moor with pre-raphaelites down in Broomhall.
Beneath the old Trebor factory that burnt down in the early seventies.
Leaving an antiquated sweet-shop smell & caverns of nougat & caramel.
Nougat. Yeah, nougat & caramel.
And the river flows on.
Yeah, the river flows on beneath pudgy fifteen-year olds addicted to coffee whitener
And it finally comes above ground again at Forge Dam: the place where we first met.

I went there again for old time's sake
Hoping to find the child's toy horse ride that played such a ridiculously tragic tune.
It was still there - but none of the kids seemed interested in riding on it.
And the cafe was still there too
The same press-in plastic letters on the price list & scuffed formica-top tables.
I sat as close as possible to the seat where I'd met you that autumn afternoon.
And then, after what seemed like hours of thinking about it
I finally took your face in my hands & I kissed you for the first time
And a feeling like electricity flowed thru' my whole body.
And I immediately knew that I'd entered a completely different world.
And all the time, in the background, the sound of that ridiculously heartbreaking child's ride outside.

At the other end of town the river flows underneath an old railway viaduct
I went there with you once - except you were somebody else -
And we gazed down at the sludgy brown surface of the water together.
Then a passer-by told us that it used to be a local custom to jump off the viaduct into the river
When coming home from the pub on a Saturday night.
But that this custom had died out when someone jumped
Landed too near to the riverbank
Had sunk in the mud there & drowned before anyone could reach them.
I don't know if he'd just made the whole story up, but there's no way you'd get me to jump off that bridge.
No chance. Never in a million years.

Yeah, a river flows underneath this city
I'd like to go there with you now my pretty & follow it on for miles & miles, below other people's ordinary lives.
Occasionally catching a glimpse of the moon, thru' man-hole covers along the route.
Yeah, it's dark sometimes but if you hold my hand, I think I know the way.
Oh, this is as far as we got last time
But if we go just another mile we will surface surrounded by grass & trees & the fly-over that takes the cars to cities.
Buds that explode at the slightest touch, nettles that sting - but not too much.
I've never been past this point, what lies ahead I really could not say.
I used to live just by the river, in a dis-used factory just off the Wicker
The river flowed by day after day
"One day" I thought, "One day I will follow it" but that day never came
I moved away & lost track but tonight I am thinking about making my way back.
I may find you there & float on wherever the river may take me.
Wherever the river may take me.
Wherever the river may take us.
Wherever it wants us to go.
Wherever it wants us to go.

(which is Wickerman by Pulp; also Sheffield: Sex City which starts with a big list of local boroughs, although that probably isn't what you mean at all)

Alex in Doncaster (Alex in Doncaster), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Flux Information Sciences' "Van Services" has the phrase "Long Island Expressway" right in the refrain!

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

also, Mercury Rev to thread for various upstate NY things

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Jersey band the Wrens' last album was called The Meadowlands after the sports/concert arena in New Jersey.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Lifter Puller and The Hold Steady: too damn many mpls/st paul references to list here....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

The local rock band House of Large Sizes (defunct but GREAT - check 'em out) made a regular practice of various Iowa shout-outs, meaningful to a coterie of probably dozens. They more or less dropped the practice later on, to no noticeable effect.

briania (briania), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Lifter Puller and The Hold Steady: too damn many mpls/st paul references to list here....

Long Beach Island (NJ) and Brooklyn Heights too!

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone recently told me that the Beastie Boys mention New York 1 (local news and weather channel) morning anchor Pat Kiernan on a track on their new record...haven't verified this yet though.

Graeme (Graeme), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

then there's cub/tmbg's new york city

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

wasn't there also a Spin Doctors (i REALLY know, okay?) song called Shinbone Alley?

Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

The Velvets' "Coney Island Steeplechase" is about the old Steeplechase Park and mentions taking the subway down to Kings Highway (although you'll have to go farther than that to get to Coney).

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, when i was a kid in pittsburgh, we got channel 43 (wuab, lorraine-cleveland) on cable. eight is enough + mash + the occasional tribe game...

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I've always wondered whether the "queen of Corona" line (Corona being a neighborhood in Queens) in "Me and Julio" had anything to do with the Lemon Ice King of Corona.

http://www.queenstribune.com/best2002/best2002-images/cool1-iceking.gif

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

(It's been around since 1944.)

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

There's that one Gastr Del Sol song that's mostly David Grubbs intoning the names of random Chicago intersections.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

there's another Gastr del Sol song that is not mostly, but all Louisville and Chicago street names.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 13 September 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I was hoping to find the lyrics to Dave Van Ronk's "Garden State Stomp" (Van Ronk singing nothing but New Jersey town names -- "Whippany," "Parsippany," etc) but no go.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I was hoping to find the lyrics to Dave Van Ronk's "Garden State Stomp" (Van Ronk singing nothing but New Jersey town names -- "Whippany," "Parsippany," etc) but no go.

found it!

Allamuchy, Hacklebarney, Rockaway, Piscataway
Ho-Ho-Kus, Secaucus, Lower Squankum, Fair Play
Wanamassa, Succasunna, Manumuskin, Plumbsock
Bivalve, Buckshutem, Turkey Foot, Macanippock
Jugtown, Feebletown, Nummytown, Rahway
Wickatunk, Manunka Chunk, Mantua, Mizpah
Manasquan, Raritan, Matawan, Totowa
Whippany, Parsippany, Penny Pot, Hackensack
Batsto, Nesco, Metedeconk, Peapack
Loch Arbour, Egg Harbor, Swinesburg, Caviar
Cheesequake, Boy Scout Lake, Moonachie, Tenafly
Netcong, Watchung, Pluckemin, Mount Misery
Bardonia, Ironia, Colonia, Weehawken
Manahawkin, Mantoloking, Mahalala, Pennsauken
Dutchtown, Ironbound, Frelinghuysen, Lodi
Hardscrabble, Double Trouble, Picatinny, Montague
Muckshaw Pond, Oakanickon, Espanong, Ocean View
Navesink, Shabakunk, Ongs Hat, Jumbo
Wortendyke, Waterwitch Park, Blue Ball, Ringoes
Matchaponix, Delawanna, Wawayanda, Timbuctoo

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Felix Figueroa's "Pico & Sepulveda" (a Dr. Demento staple) lists off a bunch of LA areas

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"echoes myron" GBV [references liberty bell]

"hot freaks" GBV [references pi lam, a local frat that books awesome rock shows]

"dayton, ohio-19 something and 5" GBV [namechecks strawberry drive, a place in fairmount park]

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

That Gastr song is probably Rebecca Sylvester.

the wind had picked up
where it left off the night before
these are sharks' fins
i believe the tongue propels them
at fullerton and california
california and sacramento
at fullerton and damen and
diversely
these are sharks' fins
i believe the tongue propels them
otherwise the surface
is only broken
by
foam, strawberries, tongues
failing the diagonal
still
strawberry yard's in louisville
why did the sharks watch him drown?

mzui, Monday, 13 September 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Yep, that's the one. I guess it's not even "mostly," is it? That's such a good song.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't know if this counts, but I was pretty stoked when Pavement sang "Down in Santa Rosa and over the bay" in "Unfair", seeing as how I was born there.

Also, the Pulsators sing "Then he goes down to the Tradewinds and he drinks the other half away" in Woody. Tradewinds being a bar in Cotati.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Should *mistaken* local references in music be a separate thread? (e.g., Kim Wilde's "East California" in "Kids in America"; Paper Lace's "east side of Chicago" in "The Night Chicago Died")

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

My favorite example of this is Wayne County and the Back Street Boys' "Max's Kansas City" which is filled wall to wall with punk-era namedrops.

Also Beltbuckle (Lou Barlow & Eric Matthews) do a great song called "Mary Hair" where he mentions hauling ass down the Merritt Parkway at 125 mph ... truly a scary proposition if you've ever been down that twisted, narrow stretch of road.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post: or Steve Perry's "livin' in south Detroi-oit!!', which, technically could be construed as Windsor, Ontario

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Monday, 13 September 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The local rock band House of Large Sizes (defunct but GREAT - check 'em out)

as far as i know they're still soldiering on...they played mpls a few months ago....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Wilco's "Heavy Metal Drummer" mentions the landing in downtown St. Louis.

Elliot Smith sings about 6th and Powell in Portland, Or (where he got smack) on "Needle in the Hay."

darin, Monday, 13 September 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Soul Coughing (I know, I know) has a song that mentions the Jay Street-Borough Hall station and the Flatbush Extension.

"The Brooklynites," off the Blue in the Face soundtrack.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 13 September 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"One night watching a band in the Hopetoun Hotel, Surry Hills, Sydney
After several drinks and eye contact I spoke with a girl and later
Somehow - miraculously - incredibly and absolutely unbelievably
We disappeared together off into the Surry Hills night, the Bourke St night
Ah, I've forgotten now the details..."

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Alot of New Waver's stuff relates to Melbourne (ie. Chadstone etc.),

But that doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy their *free* music:

www.spill-label.org/nw/disco.html

Sasha (sgh), Monday, 13 September 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark Eitzel occasionally namedrops San Fran area watering holes in his songs, such as "Mission Rock Resort" (which isn't a resort at all but a seedy bar that has since been closed down I believe).

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Todd Rundgren's "When The Shit Hits The Fan"

The Chrysler Building fell in my yard...
They blew up half of Scotland Yard...
I'll have to get my ass back to Sunset Boulevard...

jim wentworth (wench), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yo La Tengo's "The Crying of Lot G" is a reference to a parking lot at Newark Airport (as well as an obvious nod to Pynchon).

When Ira mentioned the Newark Airport thing (when I saw them in 2000) I thought he was taking the piss.

"Ode to Billy Joe": Tallahatchie River, Carroll County, Tupelo, etc.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

One song on the album is called "The Crying of Lot G." Are you a [Thomas] Pynchon fan?

It is a reference, but maybe not exactly out of my fandom. Lot G is an inside joke to like six people we know, a reference to the Newark Airport.

http://archive.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2000/02/29/yolatengo/print.html (hi andy b.!)

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

umm...x-post times 21, but the Gastr del Sol song that's nothing but intersections is called "Eight Corners." It's on the Mirror Repair EP. The lyrics, complete and uncut:

western avenue
taylorsville road
blackstone
ormond avenue

north avenue
seventh street road
drexel
trevillian way

longest avenue
chicago road

Ah, I can hear that catchy hook in my head right now!

Colin Rafferty, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a Waifs song that talks about Cable Beach in Broome (that's on the far north coast of Western Australia)

gem (trisk), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

John Fahey's song titles to thread

joseph pot (STINKORâ„¢), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Tommy Facenda had a local (Virginia) hit in the late '50s called "High School U.S.A." It namechecked plenty schools in the area. Atlantic picked it up for national distribution, releasing 27 more customized versions for different parts of the country.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Also:

"Penny Lane"/"Strawberry Fields Forever," The Beatles
"Maybe the People Would Be the Times or Between Clark and Hilldale," Love

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"YYZ" is the baggage code for Toronto's Lester Pearson Airport.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The Darkness refer to the Acle Straight, a notorious accident blackspot on the A47

Ben Dot (1977), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

halo perfecto "don't just say you will"

there's a smokestack, aliquor store, police station and a graveyard.
the projects to where the road narrows, and the salt of the earth rusts cars.

a reference to westminster street on the west side of Providence, RI, leading out of Olneyville towards teh highway/downtown.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

st etienne's 'archway people' is a bit sneery.

Dead Man, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

muckafurgason's "forsyth street" is an ode to a street on nyc's lower east side that was that much less lovely a decade ago, when the song was written, than it is now.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

In "Dance (Part 1)" on Emotional Rescue, Jagger mentions hanging out on the corner of 8th Street and 6th Avenue.....a spot currenntly occupied by Gray's Papaya (purportedly Lou Reed's favorite all-time "restaurant"). Or, if he's across the street, a Barnes & Noble (although it used to be B.Dalton Books).

Holy smokes, a Muckafurgason allusion!!! Any my fave song by them, no less! Outstanding!

I used to believe "Shine On, Elizabeth" by Cop Shoot Cop had something to do with Elizabeth Street (not very far from Forsyth Street), but it doesn't (it's about Elizabeth, New Jersey, as it turns out).

"7th Avenue Static" by Firewater not only mentions 7th Avenue, but "I beat my retreat down Collister Street," which is a very photogenic alley in TriBeCa (not far from where Firewater's Tod [A]shley used to live on Vestry Street).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

modern lovers: boylston street, rt 128, rt 9, outside the stop n shop

galaxie 500: rt 128

kephm, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

To the extent that the Michael Stanley Band ever made good -- which isn't much, but they did a lot of touring as a supporting act and as a headliner in small venues -- their stuff is riddled with Cleveland/NE Ohio references. "In the Heartland" particularly refers to "the boys are out on Mayfield" (Mayfield Rd., the main drag through the far East Side suburbs like Mayfield, Beachwood and such), and "out on the West Side sparks are flying when the rich boys come around" (the near West Side of Cleveland, from around W. 25 to West Boulevard between Detroit Ave. and Brookpark Rd. being composed of some pretty tough neighborhoods).

phil d., Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Urge Overkill references the Chicago intersection of 63rd and Cottage Grove somewhere on Supersonic Storybook, which was close to their home on the south side.

frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Aztec Camera's "Somewhere in my Heart" mentions "from Westwood to Hollywood" - Westwood is a bit of East Kilbride where Roddy Frame grew up.

Similarly Castlehill, referenced in Belle and Sebastian's "I Could be Dreaming", is the part of Ayr where Stuart Murdoch grew up.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

The Gap Band was named after three streets in their hometown of Tulsa: Greenwood, Archer, and Pine.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I head the Australian band The Deadly Hume on a radio show once and they said they were named after a road (between Sydney and Melbourne) that had a lot of accidents. Then I saw Heavenly Creatures and wondered if Juliet Hume was part of it too.

L.A. band Black Randy and the Metrosquad had a song called "Trouble at the Cup" where the Cup (the Gold Cup?) was a fast food outlet notorious for gay pickups.

nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a song on the new Mclusky album, can't remember its name, with the line "Born in Cardiff, raised by wolves, he died on his fucking arse."

ABSOLUTE GENIUS.

mei (mei), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Warren Zevon's "Desperados Under The Eaves" seems to have some Hollywood CA references in the lyrics ... tho I've never been there so I can't confirm.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

REM's Fables of the Reconstruction drops all kinds of names. Wendell G and Old Man Kensey were (living) local legends if I recall correctly, Philomath in Can't Get There From Here, and then there's Odfellows Local 151 about a drunk in an alley, and they picked up the title of Automatic from some local restaurant.

danh (danh), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"I head the Australian band The Deadly Hume on a radio show once and they said they were named after a road (between Sydney and Melbourne) that had a lot of accidents."

Yeah, that'd be the Hume Highway.

Sasha (sgh), Thursday, 16 September 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)


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