Jim Croce C/D

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I have a weird sentimental fixation on a few songs from my childhood. Hard for me to appraise critically - he seems totally forgotten, does anyone care about him? He seems terminally un-hip, but maybe that's cuz I can't escape associating him with my parents.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 16 September 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

first 45 i ever bought with my own money. (bad bad leroy brown.) leroy brown is still one of the great proto-gangsta rap songs of all time. The best of jim croce is well worth owning.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 16 September 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah I had the same hazy childhood warmfuzzies towards Croce then I got the best of and it's better than alright when looked at objectively I'm happy to say. Can't say what keeps it from being cornball but it isn't.

tremendoid, Thursday, 16 September 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Good songwriter, really, but that damn rinky-dink piano just about ruins both "Leroy Brown" and "You Don't Mess Around With Jim."

briania (briania), Thursday, 16 September 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic, even if "I Got a Name" had been the only thing he ever recorded.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 16 September 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

He always reminded me of Gabe Kaplan as Mr. Kotter, for some reason. And "Time in a Bottle" is lovely, too. Really, if you buy that *Photographs and Memories* best-of on vinyl for a dollar, you'll be set for life.

chuck, Thursday, 16 September 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

for some reason, the bridge in "Time in a Bottle" ("but there never seems to be enough time/to do the things you want to do once you find them") makes me get all uber-sentimental and weepy *every single time* I hear it. Which sorta freaks me out.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 16 September 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"Working at the Car Wash Blues" is one of my favorite songs, ever. The whole greatest hits is pretty great, and even that "Americana" CD of his home recordings is highly listenable. And "Roller Derby Queen" is more than ripe for recontextualization by Tribe 8 or somesuch. Classic, classic, classic...he's no John Prine, but it's by no means a laughable comparison.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

he was only 30 when he died.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

He always reminded me of Gabe Kaplan...

http://store.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drg200/g248/g24830pph7b.jpg

In retrospect, I think that the moustache worked for him.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

He looked like one of the lost marx brothers.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

no one has yet mentioned "Operator," which is like the rulingest.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

stencil OTM

Magic City (ano ano), Thursday, 16 September 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Operator, Time in a Bottle, and I'll Have to Say I Love You (in a Song) are the troika of AM folk-rock tearjerkers for me.

Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 16 September 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Croce pretty well, but this verse from Time in a Bottle has always puzzled me:

If I had a box just for wishes
And dreams that had never come true
The box would be empty
Except for the memory of how
They were answered by you.

So if the box is for wishes that haven't come true, and the box contains his memory of his dreams being answered, doesn't that mean his dreams really *weren't* answered?

It makes my head hurt worse than Memento.

skreddy57 (skreddy57), Thursday, 16 September 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Godel, Escher, Croce was the original title of Hofstadter's book, but it just didn't scan.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Thursday, 16 September 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Stencil indeed OTM.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 16 September 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

So if the box is for wishes that haven't come true, and the box contains his memory of his dreams being answered, doesn't that mean his dreams really *weren't* answered?

American pop koan.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 17 September 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesse's thinking of Prine alongside Croce: otm. Something about Croce is tougher than the usual '60s/'70s pop-folk. I mentioned the similarity between "Trigger Cut" (the melody of the "I've got a heavy coat/It's filled with rocks and sand" bit) and "Operator" on the "TC" thread the other night, but will do it again here.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 17 September 2004 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Shakey OTM, that bridge is touching like a muhg. and Working in the Car Wash Blues was a mixtape mainstay for a long time

tremendoid, Friday, 17 September 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey Tomorrow and One Less Set of Footsteps: Ooh, yeah.

I have often wondered where his music would have led from 1972/73.

jim wentworth (wench), Friday, 17 September 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Classic, even tho I'm kinda sick of "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown". He alternated between the sad, soft-spoken ballads ("Time In A Bottle"), bluesy swaggers ("You Don't Mess Around With Jim"), slice-of-life character studies ("Speedball Tucker", about a speedfreak trucker) and a few gently rocking whatsems ("One Less Set Of Footsteps"). His singing was casual/relaxed and never less than serviceable. And as "Leroy" shows, he had a sardonic wit and a knack for ending a song with a punchline, like the Georgia state policeman's explaining to Speedball that "95 was the route you were on, it was not the speed limit sign!”

It's not fantastic all the way through, but the 2-disc "Definitive Collection" is the one to buy if you need one. It's basically got his three "regular" '70s LPs in their entirety, plus a few leftovers. And Amazon is selling it for a mere $12.99! It's not great all the way through but the price is right. (Personally, I've always been nostalgic about his second album, Life And Times: First LP I'd ever been given as a gift, on my seventh birthday, from my grandparents who were Croce fans themselves.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 17 September 2004 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Rickey: "Jesse's thinking of Prine alongside Croce: otm. Something about Croce is tougher than the usual '60s/'70s pop-folk."

I'd guess it's that, like Prine and unlike most SSS-S (70s Sensitive Singer-Songwriters,) Croce clearly worshipped at the shrine of Chuck Berry. Which is what ultimately kept his drawl out of Leon Redbone torpor territory, perhaps.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Friday, 17 September 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

From Billboard.com's Daily Music Update:

THIS DAY IN MUSIC

1973: Jim Croce dies in a plane crash in Natchitoches, La. He'd just
completed recording his third album, "I Got a Name," a week before.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 20 September 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus, who knew that so many ILM-ers were fans of this guy? I beg to differ...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 20 September 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Operator breaks my heart every time.

i will echo some childhood memories stuff is going on here cuz my mom used to like him a lot when i was little.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 20 September 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesse's thinking of Prine alongside Croce: otm. Something about Croce is tougher than the usual '60s/'70s pop-folk. I mentioned the similarity between "Trigger Cut" (the melody of the "I've got a heavy coat/It's filled with rocks and sand" bit) and "Operator" on the "TC" thread the other night, but will do it again here.

Exactly--it is the same melody. "One Less Set of Footsteps" is the one I really like, and "Carwash Blues." He definitely had something...too bad he couldn't have gone on to collaborate with Prine or, here's a thought, Tom T. Hall...

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Jim Croce. I learned "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown" and "Rapid Roy the Stock Car Boy" (among others) on piano as a child. The book of Croce songs was my reward for practicing all the classical music. Of course, I haven't touched a piano in about 20 years, so all was for nought.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

i like 'operator' 'new yorks not my home' 'photographs and memories' and 'time in a bottle' but i dont really like any of the blues inflected stuff

trashthumb, Thursday, 25 October 2007 07:52 (eighteen years ago)

New account, Geir?

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 25 October 2007 08:26 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just me, trashthumb! How y'all doing!? http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6633/nutxr2.gif

trashthumb, Thursday, 25 October 2007 08:37 (eighteen years ago)

Well, "Time In a Bottle" is a beautiful song. Other than that I've only heard "Bad Boy Leroy Brown", which I like less.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 25 October 2007 09:18 (eighteen years ago)

"Bad Bad Leroy Brown" I mean.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 25 October 2007 09:18 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

Operator is really great, and as mentioned above, dude totally looks like the genetic mashup clone of the Marx Brothers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2iS8XctJKo

gershy, Saturday, 8 December 2007 05:37 (seventeen years ago)

eleven months pass...

He was featured as a "character" on the U.S. "Life on Mars" last week. I'd already been thinking of "Operator" for weeks. Dude still rules.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 13 November 2008 08:32 (sixteen years ago)

Thing I'd been thinking of, actually: Elvis Sings Croce. And not Costello.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 13 November 2008 08:33 (sixteen years ago)

Never happened, by the way.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Thursday, 13 November 2008 09:25 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

leroy looked like a jigsaw puzzle with a couple of pieces gone ...

ich habe eine Schwarzzauberfrau (Eisbaer), Monday, 4 April 2011 07:01 (fourteen years ago)

"Well a hush fell over the pool room
When Jim he come boppin' off the street
And when the cuttin' was done
The only part that wasn't bloody was the soles of the big man's feet
And he was cut in 'bout a hundred places
And he was shot in a couple more

And you better believe they sung a different kind of story
When big Jim hit the floor"

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 05:25 (fourteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

"I only wish my words could just convince myself that it just wasn't real. But that's not the way it feels."

This kills me every time. "Operator" is so great.

Mule, Friday, 9 March 2012 09:40 (thirteen years ago)

The first time I heard "Operator", after hearing the last verse ("let's forget about this call/there's no one there I really wanted to talk to/so thank you for your time/you've been so much more than kind/you can keep the dime"), I was expecting the song to be about Jim crushing out on the telephone operator and just placing random calls so he'd get a chance to talk to her. I was expecting the lyric on the last run-through of the chorus to become "let's forget all that, and give me your number ... so I can call just to tell you I'm fine". Great missed opportunity for a great lyrical twist IMO, but even as it is, I always love old songs that involve telephones for their inherent quaintness. I'm too young to remember when you had to talk to a switchboard operator before you could make a phone call.... (although these things always come around full circle - now we place calls by talking to Siri)

The one that always melts me is "I'll Have to Say I Love You in a Song". I've tried to do same at least once in my life.

Un-hip, yes, but still classic.

everything else is secondary (Lee626), Friday, 9 March 2012 14:10 (thirteen years ago)

he's got a tattoo on his arm that say "baby"
he's got another one that just say "hey"

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 March 2012 16:34 (thirteen years ago)

Kinda fun and of course sad to read through the site dedicated to his recording and performing partner Maury Muehleisen, who also died in the crash:

http://www.maurymuehleisen.com/main.html

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 March 2012 17:37 (thirteen years ago)

kinda loving this album cover
http://www.maurymuehleisen.com/pics/gbread.jpg

the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 March 2012 17:46 (thirteen years ago)

two months pass...

I've been a singer from a young age, so I respond to Jim Croce. He's a great singer, great performer. Stuff like "Time in a Bottle" is overplayed maybe that deters people.

Enjoying less popular cuts like "Lover's Cross".

Still I hope that you can find
Another who can take what I could not
He'll have to be a super guy
Or maybe a super god
'Cause I never was much of a martyr before
And I ain't bout to start nothin' new
And baby, I can't hang upon no lover's cross for you

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41GWJXCF2RL._SL500_AA300_.jpg This is probably very good.

โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Bulgarian Tourist Chamber (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:12 (thirteen years ago)

Not mentioned in this thread - the great "I Got a Name". Terrific road song.

scott pgwp (pgwp), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:25 (thirteen years ago)

Classic, even if "I Got a Name" had been the only thing he ever recorded.
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Soccer mom, hopeless and lost, in utter despair (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:54 (thirteen years ago)

pretty badly underrated I think, probably due to radio ubiquity - his songs just feel like they were always there instead of things a guy had to think up & write. McCombs/Peterson otm in re: "I Got A Name," that song stands with giants

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:04 (thirteen years ago)

mccombs/peterson/pgwp I mean. the axis of Name

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:05 (thirteen years ago)

He's just one of those artists whom people don't spend a lot of time on, but great voice, personality, excellent guitar.

โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Bulgarian Tourist Chamber (Mount Cleaners), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 17:26 (thirteen years ago)


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