Are you planning on buying the commemorative re-release of LONDON CALLING by the Clash?

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Well, are you?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

is it a charity thing?

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

AHAhahahahaha.

No.

― Sasha (sgh), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

a bonus dvd includes a rare advert for linton hair gel with joe strummer, and an outtake from don letts' punk rock movie in which topper headon attempts to teach big youth how to do the electric slide

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

sound

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 17 September 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I would if I wasn't getting a free review copy.

I'd really like to go in-depth about how much I like this record, what it meant to me in high school '95 and what it means to me now, about how it was probably the last high-profile album that acknowledged that rock is essentially just another form of rhythm & blues compatible with and derived from and spawning so many other things, about how it declared that after the punk revolution happened it was time to find out where it fits and where it's going, about how it anticipated the '80s to the point where only the production was dated by '90, about the hooks, about the riffs, about why it's better than your favorite album (unless your favorite album is Discovery or Purple Rain or Dig Your Own Hole).

But it's canonized and the Ruts are like totally superior and I heard Strummer was posh and (insert turdwit Crass lyric here), so actually I'd be lying, for real.

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

it's better than your favorite album (unless your favorite album is Discovery or Purple Rain or Dig Your Own Hole).

It's still way better than those albums, don't kid y'self.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmmm.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, do you have some net filter on that makes titles of post-1980 albums all read Bread's Greatest Hits?

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

"Alex, I'm-A Want You"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahaha. But c'mon...I may let Purple Rain slide as a contender, but Discovery and Dig your Own hole???? Surely you jest. I'm not sayin' THEY SUCK, but they don't hold a fuckin' candle to London Calling.

PS: nine tenths of Killing Joke's catalog = recorded after 1980.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You see, Alex, some people they like to go out dancin' (and other people they gotta work)

Jeez. Aging punks never get dance music right. (Hence Moby.)

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I just don't think those albums are as versatile as London Calling.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

more versatile != better

the first ramones album smokes everything mentioned here

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

(I come on this thread to defend my fourth-favoritest album (first-favoritest rocknrollish album) against the ILM Clash-mockery brigade and I wind up arguing with the one guy here who likes the album too. I started posting here again because I forgot this sort of shit happens.)

xp: I'd say they are, actually -- DYOH has its Lemmy-Bootsy speed-space-bass super-freakouts, "Jungle Boogie" via Meat Beat Manifesto in "Block Rockin' Beats", a backwards-chord Joni Mitchell post-high daze folkish track, Bar-Kays In the Year 2020 "Lost in the K-Hole" and "The Private Psychedelic Reel" which is like DAMN.

Discovery goes from neverending Salsoul tribute ("One More Time") to fuzz-sleaze supercompressed '77 Isleys ("Aerodynamic") to the Raspberries collaborating with a solo from a parallel-universe Eddie Van Halen who grew up wanting to be Bernie Worrell ("Digital Love") to '83 Chic-vs-Cybotron uprocker superclassic ("Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger") to KC and the Sunshine Band snorting Pixie Stix in Rio ("Crescendolls") to everything great about the instrumental bits of 10cc's "I'm Not In Love" swathed in Tron effects ("Nightvision") to Big Stupid Hardcore beats that explodify into glimmering mirrored shards of ELP ("Superheroes") to uh the hell with this, I'm gonna go watch Interstella 5555.

(AaronHz, you know EPs don't count, har har)

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

(AaronHz, you know EPs don't count, har har)

!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!!??!

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

the album is like 20 minutes long, man! I take showers longer than that! (Usually because I feel super filthy after arguing here)

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

(Then again, Aqua Teen Hunger Force episodes are only 15 minutes long and holy fuck they're great. So short =!bad. I'm just being a dork. And I'm feeling ultra-defensive about "Fleetwood Mac suxxx punk changed my life" arglebargle. Which hasn't really happened here. In a thread about a canonical punk album. Which I love. And am posting to a thread about, in a board that I have contributed little but hostile spaz-fits to.)

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

It's half an hour long dude. It's got 14 songs. It came out on 12" vinyl that plays at 33 1/3. Not a fucking EP.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Aqua Teen Hunger Force episodes are only 15 minutes long and holy fuck they're great

Amen, brother.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm holding out for the 50th anniversary edition, which will be edible.

― spittle (spittle), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

What does it have that the original doesn't? (besides the dvd stuff that doesn't look terribly interesting).

― supercub, Friday, 17 September 2004 04:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Can't it also be played at 45? (Which is actually a gigglefit-inducing idea that I am going to try now with my copy of Rocket to Russia)

xp supercub: it also has the ability to make people feel old

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm all for reissues as long as they cost twice as much as the older CD and have a whole disc of outtakes and mono (or stereo) versions.

― supercub, Friday, 17 September 2004 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I want the 6-CD expanded release of Sandinista!, including one full disc of dub remixes of Mick and Joe calling each other cunts.

― spittle (spittle), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a version of "hitsville u.s.a." where instead of a children's choir it's a chorus of junkies pulled from the national health offices

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

cunt--t--t--t--t

― supercub, Friday, 17 September 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I give up. Who cares, call it an EP or a buttplug or a taco salad, Ramones is still better than London Calling, Purple Rain or DYOH. I don't have that Daft Punk record but I'm willing to bet it's better than that.

And no, I'm not gonna buy this ripoff reissue. I'll stick with my nice remastered (only 5 years ago FFS) copy of London Calling that has the original cover art and no superfluous bullshit.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

AaronHz pretty much sums it up. I already own London Calling,... and I believe I've already bought it on CD fuckin' twice (like Aaron, I got that remastered too). I'll be damned if i buy it a third time (fourth, if you count buying it originally on vinyl).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i've always had it on vinyl

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

They should reissue it on vinyl.

― supercub, Friday, 17 September 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

They should glue it to a building on fire.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

They should glue your mamma to a building on fire

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone who was list Discovery, Dig Your Own Hole and London Calling in an all-time top ten is clearly the greatest human being that has ever lived.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

if you saw a burning building, which you rush in to glue to it: your momma or a copy of london calling

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks I hey wait a minute

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Stop talkin' abuot my 1984 copy of London Calling on vinyl!

― supercub, Friday, 17 September 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

JOY DIVISION FUCKING SUCKS!!!!!

oops wrong thread...

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"if you saw a burning building, which you rush in to glue to it: your momma or a copy of london calling"

Nick Tosches claims that Lester Bangs once carried his copy of Metal Box out of his apartment building when he thought it might be on fire.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The building, that is!

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

London Calling would burn faster than Metal Box. So would Unknown Pleasures.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Top ___ Songs About FIRE, BURNING, FLAMES, HEAT, and CONFLAGRATIONS That Can Cause Third-Degree Burns

― supercub, Friday, 17 September 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe. I've never owned it outright because all I ever needed was The Clash On Broadway. But I have a soft spot for Lover's Rock.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope no one is taking me seriously.
I'm just really bored.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm probably going to be first in line to buy this

― Gator Magoon (Chris Barrus), Friday, 17 September 2004 05:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"in line"

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 17 September 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

you will be first against the wall

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 06:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I won't be buying it. I will try to avoid even reading about it.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 September 2004 07:04 (twenty-one years ago)

(yes I can see the flaw in this argument here)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 September 2004 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Skipping 33 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Hey, I just checked... the 3CD version has a price tag of £13.99 at HMV online.

Heck, might as well.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 September 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

DON'T DO IT MARK!!!

It's only £12.99 at Amazon!

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

.. and at CDWow too.

Might check Tesco...

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

DON'T DO IT MARK!!!

It's ~~only £12.99 at Amazon~~ a rubbish album!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

sigh.. if only it had been an expanded Sandinista.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah, they'll do the world a favour and prune Sandinista down to ONE DISC if they ever get around to rereleasing that...

― Danger Whore (kate), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

No way! There should be one more disc of Sandinista so it lasts as long as your buzz does.

― briania (briania), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

They did that, back in the day. "Sandinista Now" it was called. Heck, it was actually dull. oddly enough.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, obv. it would depend on who was doing the pruning...

― Danger Whore (kate), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember Sandinista Now - promo only, I think. It seems like they picked the wrong tracks. I've always believed that the length of the thing actually worked in Sandinista's favor. As noted above, though, my listening habits at the time of its release were often herbally enhanced.

― briania (briania), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

No.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, considering that Mick Jones was so herbally enhanced he barely remembers making it, well, that might be the state in which it would sound natural.

― Danger Whore (kate), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, singlewise...

London Calling -> "London Calling"

Sandinista -> "The Call Up" / "Hitsville UK" / "The Magnificent Seven"

(I didn't count Train in Vain as that was a 'ruse' to get Bankrobber out... also, Holland only)

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

since i already have this, i do not need another copy. i like the first clash album better anyway.

I kept myself from bringing this up last night, but now I'll raise my hand in agreement. Peronsally I think each album was worse than the one before it (haven't heard all of Sandinista though), though they all have value. But I go to the Clash for energy, not variety.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

You think Give 'Em Enough Rope is better than London Calling?!?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Give 'em enough rope was 1 lp of clash music. london calling is 2 x lp of clash music. according to my dear friend keith's theory of clash suckage, this makes london calling twice as bad as give em enough rope. give 'em enough rope is 1/3 as bad as sandinista, whilst sandinista is half as bad again as london calling.. I like this theory a lot.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

So the Black Market Clash 10-incher would be best of all? Actually, I love the Clash, yet still might agree with that.

― briania (briania), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

You think Give 'Em Enough Rope is better than London Calling?!?

that's implied, yes. Once I got used to the production I realized that its pretty consistent and strong. I know it's not as varied.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

what's Pashmina's favorite band? I need someone to obsessive-compulsively make uninformed kneejerk slags against.

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:17 (twenty-one years ago)

For fuck's sake nate, I mean I like your posts and shit, and actually missed reading yer stuff while you were away, but ARE YOU ACTUALLY SECRETLY PAUL SIMONON OR FUCKING WHAT???

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I was kinda wondering myself if you were secretly... uh... damn. Who's a famous Clash hater? I know David Lee Roth made fun of 'em at the US Festival ("the only people who drink iced tea from Jack Daniels bottles") but then I can't get mad at David Lee Roth.

It'd be cool if I was Paul Simonon, though, 'cause the idea of Paul Simonon as a big fan of Daft Punk makes me giddy.

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:29 (twenty-one years ago)

(I just have this weird tendency to instantly identify certain ILXors by who they hate instead of who they like. Sorry, I'm kinda emo that way.)

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

The Clash is WAY BETTER than The Sex Pistols; I could see myself actually buying a Clash CD, plus if I was given a time machine I would never go back in time to murder The Clash.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Paul Simonon I actually don't mind. He does good paintings. Try to imagine, Nate, this band you really don't like, to the point that if you hear their music in the record store, you'd actually leave, coz you can't even stand the sound of it. Try to imagine that band getting 100% blanket rave coverage for 25 years w/no actual criticism whatsoever. Not once. It kind of does get you a bit steamed up.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

But Pash, we aren't talking about The Sex Pistols! </badjoke>

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

(bangs head against table)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Is it the singing? I can sympathize if it's the singing.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The singing is terrible, but it's not that. I think it's just the kind of feel of the playing. It's horrible. It makes me feel....bad.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm. I don't know, I get a lot of the same feelings from Clash records that I get from early Talking Heads records (largely because I was exposed to both of them at the same time when I was young more than any overt similarity between the two, although I think that if I sat down and listened to them both I could point some out).

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, look at it this way: you could have worked at a job where, for every single working day over the course of the year, you were forced to listen to a radio station where "Old Time Rock and Roll" was played every single day.

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahahaha THANK YOU KQRS!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

man, fuck that noise. I once worked in a supermarket where they played "Rock The Boat" by The Hues Corporation six or seven times an hour. y'all don't know etc.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

But that would be AWESOME!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

can someone PLEASE tell me what's so great about the first album?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

lady if you need to ask

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 17 September 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I still haven't bought the farking Marquee Moon remaster.
It's on my list of things to get when I run out of ideas for albums to buy that I don't already own.
Which will never happen.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

can someone PLEASE tell me what's so great about the first album?

best pop-punk album ever. pogotastic. boing boing boing. makes being frustrated sound fun. "Complete Control" both points out the need for Fugazi and tops 'em anthem-wise. just as zippy as the Ramones but nowhere as monotonous (there's a rhythm section, see). By comparison London Calling is professional and pep-free and lacks all the electrical shockers of "Clash City Rockers". "White Man In Hammersmith Palais" is the classic tale of earnest naivete upended by reality. It's fun badass that doesn't bully. Way more important musically than politically if you ask me, but the righteous loogeys are awesome too.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the Ramones, though. Don't get me wrong. And I love the Buzzcocks too, but they were more Paul McCartney and the Clash were more Lennon.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

You lost me with that last comment.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

the Buzzcocks were infinitely more worthwhile than Wings. But the distant beteween McCartney's luhhhv and Shelley's LAAAAHHHHVV perspective-wise isn't that far.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I meant the Lennon point.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that The Buzzcocks were oranges and The Clash were lemons.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

THAT'S WHAT XTC WAS TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Lennon/Clash was "let's get to what matters!", McCartney/Buzzcocks was "what're you gonna do, ooh-ooh-oooooh?"

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 September 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

[going into DJ Martian mode] So this will be another excuse for every music magazine in the world to do another boring The Clash/40 pages on the recording of L.C. special?[/DJ Martian]

I never will own this piece of overrated shit (I mean I like them in theory, then Strummer starts to sing...knowwotimean?)

― Omar (Omar), Friday, 17 September 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyhow.

I couldn't wait for online supplier.

HMV have it instore for £16, so I bought it at Fopp for £15. Never bought a full price album in Fopp before. Felt some sort of dislocation...

Anyhow, working through cd2 (the vanilla tapes), and its interesting yeah. The DVD later.

sigh.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 06:16 (twenty-one years ago)

"So the Black Market Clash 10-incher would be best of all? Actually, I love the Clash, yet still might agree with that."

It would probably come 2nd on my list too: Bankrobber / Bankrobber Dub; Armagideon Time / Justice Tonight / Kick It Over - fantastic.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Memories...

My mate Steve was dropping me home after football practice, or some such, listening to John Peel. The last half of "ArmTime" was playing out when we set off, and Steve who was the biggest clash fan was "What is this crap?" laughing, and was horrified when he found it was his beloveds. We all moved jobs about 6 months later, wonder if he ever came around to it?

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 08:36 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

currently CDN$10 on amazon.ca
http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002Y4TZG

― a banana (alanbanana), Thursday, 23 December 2004 17:57 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

I have seen this for £10.97 in Music Zone.

I might get it if it's still there.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 23 January 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

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