Why do people heap so much scorn on Courtney Love when Natalie Merchant exists on this earth?

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Seriously, I don't understand this. How can anyone find fault with Courtney and not look at Natalie and suffer an instant rage-induced embolism?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Courtney I have no problem with. As I said another thread today, I hate Natalie Merchant's voice, and her vapid hippie-isms make me nuts.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 17 September 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

when was the last time natalie merchant's name popped up on news.google.com?

― amateur!!st, Friday, 17 September 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Natalie Merchant may be annoying, but I don't have to read about her every other fucking week.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Courtney is Dionysian and Natalie is Apollonian

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Courtney Love is goofy and harmless. Natalie Merchant is Satan in a pinafore.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Most "Natalie"s are. Word to the wise guy.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

They're a strange batch.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Natalie.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Natalie Maines.

― chuck, Friday, 17 September 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I do too! And Natalie Portman. And Natalie Cole.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Natalie Green?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Natalie Wood, people!

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

How about Natalie Imbruglia?

― Star Cauliflower (Star Cauliflower), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked NAtalie Merchant before I started reading things like this about her.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Courtney Love's offensiveness > Natalie Merchant's blandness

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

what kind of wood doesn't float?

NATALIE WOOD

(sorry)

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Natalie Green sings!

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

(I do like Natalie Merchant's voice, though. Can we disassociate her voice from her personality and throw her personality into a black hole?)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

ahhh man - that horrible affected voice is more than half of why i hatehatehate her.

― peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

natalie merchant makes me nostalgic for the nineties and mtv unplugged.

― drew, Friday, 17 September 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I do like "Candy Everybody Wants" for some reason.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not required to think about either one of them beyond this message, am I?

― peepee (peepee), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, Natalie Merchant. YECH.

Her one brief shining moment is the "Trouble Me" video from Maniacs days. Everything else I KILL WITH GUNS.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that the one that looked like a maxipad commercial: soft-focus bike-riding through the afternoon sun, wearing a big hat with a ribbon, to aid an elderly woman?

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yup.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha is she aiding her with a maxipad?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"Do YOU have a problem feeling...fresh?"

Maniac's Eve

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

"So, what's the matter here?"

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Both serve as dodges for Bjork and Tori Amos? KIDDING? (not really) Before 10,000 Maniacs were anyone, they played this small bar in my college town. Natalie "picked up" my best friend. He thought he was getting lucky. She just wanted a ride to the motel. I guess she and the band weren't occupying the same space at that time.

― mottdeterre (mottdeterre), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Natalie Merchant may be annoying, but I don't have to read about her every other fucking week.

you don't "have to" read about courtney either

― A. Atom Gorgon (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Natalie Merchant's private-schoolgirl cover of "Because the Night" puts her well below anything Courtney Love has done, will do or ever could do.

― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if Natalie Merchant-haterz ever get accused of mysogyny....

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 17 September 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, I never think about her at all, I'm surprised at the level of vitriol displayed on this thread. Outta sight outta mind, for me. (Can't say the same about Courtney, who craves headlines like a baby craves milk)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 17 September 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I hadn't thought about Natalie Merchant either until the Edie Brickell/Indigo Girls thread.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

And then I remembered that I hate her.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Bingo.

― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

it just seems to me like Courtney's actually damaged more people (her husband, her kid, herself, not to mention various fans, Kathleen Hannah, her various exes, etc.) than Natalie could ever hope to.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 17 September 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, but with Courtney it was an accident; Natalie REALLY WANTS TO HURT YOU.

(Okay, enough with the rabid character assassination)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

for some reason now I'm picturing Ms. Merchant in full-on dominatrix gear.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 17 September 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

private-schoolgirl

not that i'm sticking up for natalie, but she grew up in a working-class town in western new york state and finished high school early so she could attend community college. that's not very preppy.

― A. Atom Gorgon (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I still say anyone named Natalie is inherently evil.
The other N.s listed above prove my point as far as I'm concerned.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 17 September 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

re: that comment above...whatever happened to ML Compton?

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 17 September 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I've always wanted to hear that early 10,000 Maniacs Secrets of the I Ching EP from before they got signed.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 17 September 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I kind of like her "Because The Night" cover. It never occurred to me to think about her one way or another, much less dislike her.

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Friday, 17 September 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

it's really easy to answer this question: Courtney Love is an obnoxious crack head media whore who is going to die if she dosn't get the monkey in check, and Natalie Merchant you just don't hear much about these days.

― shookout (shookout), Friday, 17 September 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I've always wanted to hear that early 10,000 Maniacs Secrets of the I Ching EP from before they got signed.

Isn't it all compiled on that "Hope Chest" CD?

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Friday, 17 September 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Way more singer-songwriters in New York send me demo CDs where their voices remind me of Natalie than ones whose voices remind me of Courtney, for whatever that's worth. So maybe Natalie is more influential. (Little known fact: The most popular musical genre in New York clubs is still apparently Lillith music. Especially if you count Lillith music by men.)

― chuck, Friday, 17 September 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

(Little known fact: The most popular musical genre in New York clubs is still apparently Lillith music. Especially if you count Lillith music by men.)

Oh.

Man.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 17 September 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Her one brief shining moment is the "Trouble Me" video from Maniacs
days. Everything else I KILL WITH GUNS.
I've always been a "Like the Weather" man meself.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 17 September 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

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then hearing _In My Tribe_ and being HORRIFIED at the mealy-mouthed wimpiness of their studio sound.

blame peter asher for that.

― A. Atom Gorgon (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I had a really weird dream about Courtney Love the the other night....I was at a party and she was there and kept trying to grab my crotch. I kept trying to get away but she was really aggressive. Thing is, I was really turned on and wanted to get it on but didn't want anyone at the party to notice me sneaking off with her or responding to her advances....you know how it's kind of embarrassing to be seen hooking up with the drunkest person in the room, even though you might kinda want to? Weird dream.

― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

For sex with Courtney Love...
Bring an extra-thick condom, some lysol and a bottle of Tartar Sauce (for her crabs)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

& hide the gun

― dysøn (dyson), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

is that like "hide the salami"?

― A. Atom Gorgon (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember 'Crush with Eyeliner' coming out when I was in college and vaguely hearing or realizing that it was about C.Love...now this kind of rock incest just makes my stomach churn.

― 57 7th (calstars), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

five years pass...

something really creepy about this
http://www.ted.com/talks/natalie_merchant_sings_old_poems_to_life.html

― livestock crush (velko), Monday, 19 April 2010 16:58 (fifteen years ago)

haha this old thread

― don't you steal my Sunstein (HI DERE), Monday, 19 April 2010 17:02 (fifteen years ago)

Read the description as "Natalie Merchant sings from her near-forgotten album, Leave Your Sleep."

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 19 April 2010 17:03 (fifteen years ago)

HAHAHAHAHA THAT VIDEO

― don't you steal my Sunstein (HI DERE), Monday, 19 April 2010 17:04 (fifteen years ago)

Natalie Merchant kills old poems.

― Throwing Muses are reuniting for my next orgasm! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 April 2010 17:04 (fifteen years ago)

never-forgotten secret rack >>> near-forgotten 19th-century poetry

― livestock crush (velko), Monday, 19 April 2010 17:07 (fifteen years ago)

what the fuck is on her face

― I won't vote for you unless you acknowledge my magic pony (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 April 2010 17:41 (fifteen years ago)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2709/4357154590_bcedee4c6a_b.jpg

― livestock crush (velko), Monday, 19 April 2010 17:46 (fifteen years ago)

Now which Peter Gabriel/Genesis tour is the above pic from?

― ellaguru, Monday, 19 April 2010 20:08 (fifteen years ago)

four months pass...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-jim-taylor/natalie-merchant-a-disapp_b_680149.html

― casual gawker.com link (buzza), Sunday, 22 August 2010 04:22 (fifteen years ago)

on the one hand, half of that article reads like an onion parody of a concert review

on the other hand, I was thinkin about going to see natalie merchant next week but 100% do not want powerpoint presentation with my singer-songwriter concert

― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Sunday, 22 August 2010 04:30 (fifteen years ago)

I understand that entertainers need to promote their latest material in their live performances, but, I don't know about you, but I go to concerts to hear their hits

I keep forgetting most of the world thinks like this.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 August 2010 04:52 (fifteen years ago)

in fairness these have-had-actual-hits-at-some-point artists charge such an exorbitant ticket price that it's kind of fair to say "for eighty bucks, I get 'You Happy Puppet,' damn it all"

― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Sunday, 22 August 2010 04:59 (fifteen years ago)

hence why I'm going to the show next week and yelling "Happy Puppet! Happy Fucking Puppet!" after every song & during some

― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Sunday, 22 August 2010 05:00 (fifteen years ago)

Roffle.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 August 2010 05:04 (fifteen years ago)

current favorite comment on the "You Happy Puppet" video on Youtube

#
simpledropofrain
2 months ago

This song is what couples live today!!! Ha Ha!!! Puppets on a string So Sad!!

― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Sunday, 22 August 2010 05:09 (fifteen years ago)

eeps. a friend has tickets to a show here in a few weeks and i'm going with her. now debating whether to forward her this link. i guess i will, forewarned forearmed and all.

― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 22 August 2010 12:05 (fifteen years ago)

What made this part of the concert so maddening was that each song was accompanied by a powerpoint presentation and a sometimes-lengthy biography and story of each poet. Ms. Merchant must have spent close to 30 minutes talking when I (and presumably others) were at the Fox for a concert. If I had wanted to listen to a lecture on children's poetry, I would have enrolled in a class at Cal. At one point, others in the audience began to show their frustration; one yelled "Let's rock!" and several others called out popular songs they wanted her to sing.

I won't endure a Powerpoint presentation from my boss, let alone Ms. Merchant.

― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 August 2010 12:20 (fifteen years ago)

The only way this would work is if the camera cut to members of the audience dancing while Merchant sang "You Happy Puppet" while pointing at them.

― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 August 2010 12:21 (fifteen years ago)

if she's gonna do this, she should go all the way and have a quiz at the end, with proctors and everything.

― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 22 August 2010 12:23 (fifteen years ago)

yes a quiz!! I would be into that & after I won the quiz I would tell all the other audiences to bite me because they suck at quiz whereas I rule, then I would parade my prize before them. by the way what is the prize for the natalie merchant poetry quiz? this is gonna be awesome

― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Sunday, 22 August 2010 12:51 (fifteen years ago)

the prize is a slide rule with nm painted on it in wite-out.

― estela, Sunday, 22 August 2010 12:59 (fifteen years ago)

kickass get ready to be jealous of my natalie merchant slide rule you LOSERS

― gross rainbow of haerosmith (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Sunday, 22 August 2010 13:08 (fifteen years ago)

it's the saddest thing, after a few months the wite-out will start flaking off and pretty soon it will be a slide rule with r r painted on it.

― estela, Sunday, 22 August 2010 13:27 (fifteen years ago)

At one point, others in the audience began to show their frustration; one yelled "Let's rock!"

even in the best circumstances yelling "let's rock" @ Natalie Merchant = barking up the wrong tree

― what happened in the 80s stays in the 80s (m coleman), Sunday, 22 August 2010 13:54 (fifteen years ago)

didn't use to be in the 10,000 Maniacs days

― margana (anagram), Sunday, 22 August 2010 17:56 (fifteen years ago)

Can I just

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs320.snc4/41354_10100175507129189_8832499_56442698_8269723_n.jpg

― Chanté Ackerman (Stevie D), Sunday, 22 August 2010 18:17 (fifteen years ago)

I understand that entertainers need to promote their latest material in their live performances, but, I don't know about you, but I go to concerts to hear their hits I understand that entertainers need to promote their latest material in their live performances, but, I don't know about you, but I go to concerts to hear their hits I understand that entertainers need to promote their latest material in their live performances, but, I don't know about you, but I go to concerts to hear their hits I understand that entertainers need to promote their latest material in their live performances, but, I don't know about you, but I go to concerts to hear their hits I understand that entertainers need to promote their latest material in their live performances, but, I don't know about you, but I go to concerts to hear their hits I understand that entertainers need to promote their latest material in their live performances, but, I don't know about you, but I go to concerts to hear their hits I understand that entertainers need to promote their latest material in their live performances, but, I don't know about you, but I go to concerts to hear their hits

― a mix of music (Lionel Ritchie) and kicks (my tongue) (Phil D.), Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:03 (fifteen years ago)

The problem was that, based on the quietness of the audience (no standing, swaying, or dancing that I could see), this excitement didn't seem to extend beyond the edge of the stage.

IT'S PRE-20TH CENTURY CHILDREN'S POETRY SET TO CHAMBER POP MUSIC, YOU FUCKTARD.

― a mix of music (Lionel Ritchie) and kicks (my tongue) (Phil D.), Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:04 (fifteen years ago)

if only natalie shouted that from the stage to "let's rock!"

― da croupier, Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:07 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVDmM6A3_PE

― a mix of music (Lionel Ritchie) and kicks (my tongue) (Phil D.), Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:09 (fifteen years ago)

Thankfully, she recovered a bit in the end, by playing her "hits" but you could tell her heart wasn't in it, she was just doing it to appease those of us that wanted to hear real music and the songs that made her famous.

"Real music."

― a mix of music (Lionel Ritchie) and kicks (my tongue) (Phil D.), Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:10 (fifteen years ago)

someone once described 10,000 maniacs as "the most humourless band of all time" which i thought was fair.

― piscesx, Sunday, 22 August 2010 19:26 (fifteen years ago)

I don't know about you, but I go to concerts to hear their hits

idk about you, either. i go to concerts to hear the "deep album cuts."

― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 22 August 2010 22:29 (fifteen years ago)

this reads like an onion article. it made me laugh >5x today, so i would like to thank dr jim taylor for writing it.

― ghee hee hee (La Lechera), Sunday, 22 August 2010 23:01 (fifteen years ago)

As far as I see they can offer me no explanation.

― Gucci Mane hermeneuticist (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 August 2010 23:07 (fifteen years ago)

from now on you should only be allowed to write a concert review if you've been to less than 10 concerts in your life

― call all destroyer, Sunday, 22 August 2010 23:10 (fifteen years ago)

Flashback to when they were Jamestown weirdos who loved Factory Records

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CI7IuB8ZUY

― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 22 August 2010 23:41 (fifteen years ago)

i don't like powerpoint much but i'd rather see someone standing at a lectern giving a powerpoint demonstration than see them do a flouncy dramatic skirt dance.

― estela, Monday, 23 August 2010 02:50 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVJjhyuGP4E

― buzza, Monday, 23 August 2010 02:55 (fifteen years ago)

I'm no fan of Merchant solo but I will stan for 10,000 Maniacs till the day I die, that band were fuckin great.

― margana (anagram), Monday, 23 August 2010 06:24 (fifteen years ago)

On this of all threads, why are there no cute pictures?

― A Chart Hit of Some Sort (Eazy), Monday, 23 August 2010 06:30 (fifteen years ago)

so i went to see the natalie merchant traveling slide show extravaganza last night. it was actually pretty cool, the songs from the new record (which i hadn't heard) were mostly good, and the slides weren't like a lecture or anything, she would just show a picture of the poet and give a few little facts about them. her band was great, too, nice 8-piece with strings and horns and guitars and piano. the crowd's energy was definitely a bit muted by the whole thing -- at one point someone started yelling out for "ophelia," and natalie politely explained that she had her slides in order and was going to go in that order. then for the 2nd half of the show she did, i don't know, 8 or 9 maniacs/solo numbers, which were good. she sounded great, and she was pretty charming overall.

and yes she still does flouncy skirt dances.

― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 20:38 (fifteen years ago)

omg this is all funny as hell

i don't like powerpoint much but i'd rather see someone standing at a lectern giving a powerpoint demonstration than see them do a flouncy dramatic skirt dance.

cosign a bazillion times

― feel free to answer my Korn Kuestion (HI DERE), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 20:54 (fifteen years ago)

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