Why does everyone like Vision Creation Newsun more than Super Ae?

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NME does not equal "everyone"... and I got VCN in, I think, '99, when it initially came out, so it's a little weird to see it pop up this year.

I think Super ae is better, too, though Super ae is better than pretty much anything else.

Now, when is somebody going to put out Super Roots 7 and 8 over here?

I prefer VCN because it sounds like heaven music to me. Super ae has a lot more going on, and especially if you were turned off of Boredoms because of violent outbursts, it was a big time breath of fresh air. However, there are parts of ae that just wreck the flow and end up sounding a lot like old Boredoms (Super trivia: actually, and I can't remember the tune, but one of the songs off ae is really an extended remake of a tune from Wow2). This is not a bad thing, but I guess I was just more "enlightened" by VCN

As for 7 & 8, I would put them in the canon as follows:
1. VCN
2. Super ae
3. 7
4. 8

8 is good, but a little silly. 7 is almost as good as ae, but too short. And for the record, I love ae, and have never seen VCN rated higher by other people until I read this thread.

I prefer VCN because I heard it first, but I have to admit that Super Ae is also pretty darned good. It probably would have worked the other way around, too, if I'd heard Super Ae first.

i like it when they scream "BASTAHHHHHHHHHD!!" on the old records.

Because 'Super ae' is a mean sonuvabitch of an album who's never in the store when I go in to buy him. Whereas 'VCN' was nice and polite, sitting right where he should have been the first time I looked for him.

personally, i find _super ae_ edges out VCN just for being a little bit more fucked up, VCN being a little too nice in parts. what i find interesting is following how they're editing some parts of the same material over and over in different ways; super roots 5 is very much in evidence on super ae, isn't it? am i crazy?

the funny thing is that i was a full-on boredoms hater until heard _super ae_; now i've been slowly working my way back and i'm enjoying the earlier stuff now, too. _boretronix 2_, super roots... it's all good.

Don't forget to try some of the Eye side projects, too... the DJ Pica Pica Pica album is astounding, the MC Hellshit & DJ Carhouse records are adorable, and I have a soft spot for Destroy 2, too...

Dominique -- If you get a chance to check which Wow 2 songs was remade, I'd love to see it. Thanks.

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I prefer VCN to Super AE - it's got better 'flow'.

The other day I picked up a 2nd hand cd copy of Hanatarash 3 ("William Bennett has no dick" haha), which is some kind of Eye noize side project. Anybody known anything abt this?

Is anyone here willing to admit that their early stuff blows, as well as all music like this? Don't you like the way I phrased the question as if you couldn't possibly like any of it? That's because it blows. :-) Five seconds of catchiness followed by 10 minutes of noise. Stop. Scream. Screams. Lots of Screaming. Stop. Weird voice sounds like he's shaking his head to blubber his lips: "bl-bl-bl-bl-earyaryaryahhhhh". Screams of ecstacy as a power riff makes tune. Oh, shit: it was only twice through the riff; now we have more noise again. "Blyaryaryaryaryar. OOCHHEE.... NYOWwwwww. WOOP!" Hey, there's that power riff again! Oops, there it goes again...

I'm thinking of Chocolate Synthesizer. I know a lot of people who dig it, but it's like, I've heard it before when it was Zappa (Weasels Ripped My Flesh, specifically) and then again when it was Rice (Fuck You, This Is Rice). Now, this new noise thing here. It's a little different, but let's face it, it sucks.

Signed,
Old Man Codger

no way man. old boredoms ownz you. it was organized chaos at its finest. its exactly what japanese people twisting american music should sound like.

super roots 5 is very much in evidence on super ae, isn't it? am i crazy?

I can see that. Actually, I hear it more at the end of the first (and second to last) song from VCN, with the wall of synth and cymbal noise. That's all SR5 is! Something very mysterious and/or so-obvious-that-it-isn't about that album.

1. VCN does have a much better flow, so in a way it's much more of sound "journey" (no, not Steve Perry's Journey, you ass). Seriously, it picks you up and takes you places.

2. OLD BOREDOMS is genius. That some kids in Japan would deliberately make those sounds is baffling, albeit incredible. I mean, would you rather they be the Spiders?

love, sparkles

"Soul Discharge" is the absolute best of their albums. Unbeaten ('89/'90?). But always better live.

Spock, you've done it again--in an attempt to paint an unsavory aural picture of the music you're criticizing, you have made it sound all the more enticing to me.

I admit, Chocolate Synthesizer is a testy album. At the wrong time, it can really grate. But at the right time, it IS really grate. ;-)

WOW 2 is my favorite Boredoms.

Word on the DJ Pica Pica Pica.

Also worth checking for the Boredoms fan is the first Shock City Shockers compilation. I belive Shock City is a label run by Eye (correct me if I'm wrong here), and that compilation is executive produced by him and Cornelius. Lots of damaged music in the latter- day Boredoms vein, including Psycho Baba & OOIOO, plus all of it is mixed down by Eye, w/ lots of noise/effects/beats added. To top it off, HAND DOWN the best packaging on a CD I've ever seen. It was worth the $35 to me.

Glad to hear I'm not the only one on the Super Ae tip. It probably does have something to do with my hearing that one first, being completely blown away, and then waiting on pins and needles for the follow-up. That kind of anticipation breeds disapointment. I also agree that the Boredoms catalog is easier to work front to back.

Mmm, I think NME did a typical have-to-make-myself-look-good-in- retrospective hack move. Runs to bookshelf returns with J.Carducci:

"It wasn't until the 5th album, "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath", that the band, if not the album, was accepted at something close to face value. [blabla] In fact both of these aesthetic concessions to the two most influential rock bands of the 70s [everyone now: Sabbath and The Ramones] were withheld by R.S. throughout the years of their early groundbreaking work (usually treated with an intellectually dishonest but carefully balanced mix of feigned, effortlessly circumscribed appreciation and derisive come on) and granted only when the bands were safely on the verge of serious, if temporary decline." Yes? No?

Mind you I also remember Simon Firth going on about the reverse in regards the fan's disdain for later more accesible work. The example being IIRC "Yeah I was into them when they were still called Tyrannosaurus Rex". ;)

I haven't heard Super Ae, will soon enough, but I just love VCN on its own. Almost find it hard to believe they have done something better than that.

What's the DJ Pica Pica Pica album like, exactly? I'm tempted to spend the $30 on it just because the CD case looks so damned cool (yup, like the Shock City Shockers comp) but cash is tight around this time, and I haven't heard a single second of it, anyway.

And what's more worthy of that kinda cash: DJ Pica Pica Pica or Shock City Shockers vol.1?

so can somebody say something about psycho-baba? all i know is that, allegedly, it's somehow similar to new boredoms stuff. but so is rovo, and they're more like live, lite, acoustic jazz-jungle.

the thing that's really amazing about the earlier boredoms stuff (the stuff that i've heard, at any rate) is the EDITING that went into assembling what must've been hours of material into these concise, almost comprehensible "songs."

hanatarash is eye solo - i have _4_ and it sounds like he's edited together himself screaming, tapes, and old records. at one point "everybody wang chung tonight" can be heard.

DJ Pica Pica Pica is Eye doing a DJ mix of 47 records, most of which are by artists I'd never heard of; the exceptions are a recording of Baka forest people playing water drums, Fat Day's "Little Rachcles," a Ralphi Rosario dub of Felizia's "Samba de Janeiro," Twisted Science's "Nine," a '99 remix of Mutabaruka's "Dis Poem," and Philip Glass's "Music in Twelve Parts."

Just for liking Fat Day, he gets my eternal gratitude.

fat day! i saw them play in ireland in 1997. the guitarist was wearing a bee costume. the singer looked like a drunken english professor. the sloshed street punk locals didn't know what to make of it.

If you get a chance to check which Wow 2 songs was remade, I'd love to see it.

After further deliberation, I have concluded that "Super Coming" is actually an extended (and not even necessarily expanded) version of "Mogo?" from Wow2. Listen for the "mogo-mogo, mogo-mogo" that opens "Super Coming"!