Flux Information Sciences: classic or dud?

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The latest big craze on Young God Records, extensive praise from M. Gira (and I mean extensive), this NYC trio is supposedly what it means to be underground. I HAVE YET TO HEAR THEM. Although, judging by what I've been hearing and reading, I'll probably pick it up this weekend.

From Michael Gira:

"I was immediately convinced I had to work with Flux information Sciences when I first saw them play at a dive in Hell's Kitchen. The place was packed with a mix of local drunks, prostitutes of uncertain gender, and the dishevelled art-rock types, fashion models, and latter day punks that had come to see them. Flux set up on the floor at the back of the bar with one glaring spotlight on the ground in front of them. The light was obsessively kicked at and jostled by the drunken crowd and the beam spun and jerked frenetically like a primitive emergency warning signal in the nearly opaque murk of smoke, sweat, and urine vapors. They had a PA set up just in front of them - one of those Shure vocal PAs from the sixties wherein the tinny and ineffectual cabinets (about the size of a guitar case) are raised up on wobbly metal stands and emit a shrill blast of distortion no matter what the sound source. In any event the PA was instantly made irrelevant, as it was knocked over and destroyed in the first burst of sound. And what a sound! I liken it to being beaten up by a sexually enraged, cackling clown, determined to make as much (mutual) fun as possible out of the act of physically destroying you. They didn't manage to play much of a set that night, about 5 or 6 songs, I think , before a fight broke out and quickly escalated into a brawl that left their equipment smashed on the floor and the power cut off by the owner of the bar. But amidst the chaos, smiling with a sense of accomplishment, Flux kept a weirdly skewed "professional" demeanor, like bemused asylum inmates dilligently acting out their assumed roles as "entertainers" in a shuffling lunatic mob.

To say the least, Flux's music is scitzophrenic in the extreme, with violent dynamic schisms, bizarre, angular rhythms ( but incredibly funky at times), and bursts of noise and violence that abruptly shift into weird , brief passages of cerebral, vaguely menacing soundscapes. The vocals are cryptic, sometimes lurid consumer slogans shouted or chanted over the heaving maelstrom. Their sense of show biz is pretty refined too, so Las Vegas comes into it somewhere as well. . The abovementioned performance, and the several times I've seen them since, are among the best "Rock Shows" I've seen in years. Their crude, brazen energy, coupled with the abstracted "Show Biz" format of the presentation reminds me of when I first moved to NYC in 1979 and saw the Contortions at Max's Kansas City. Also a faint thread of early Devo runs through them somewhere, but they don't sound at all like either of these groups. Maybe it's just that their performance is so maniacal and at the same time so strictly empirical.

They use samples and short sequences, but they're emphatically played live by the keyboardist (Sebastian) with percussive, methodical frenzy. (In other words, they make the groove in real time - they don't play over a looped rhythm). Sebastion could actually be considered a second drummer, in a sense - live, it's hard to tell who's playing what. Tristan, the singer, plays a two-string bass with a drum stick, and also plays guitar and presides over the onslaught like Elvis engulfed in a toxic holocaust. He also pounds on a cheap casio keyboard from time to time, amplified and distorted to ridiculously ill effect...

Flux are hilarious, vicious, and a catastrophe of sonic mayhem - simultaneously Life-Threatening and Entertaining -all the good things! They are the UBER NYC BAND, in my opinion.

PUBLIC/PRIVATE was recorded live in the studio, for the most part, with minimal overdubs. At the bands insistence, 50 friends and admirers were invited into the studio to witness the performances, with the proviso that they " stand around naked, blindfolded, like lawn furniture made of flesh, and not move" as the band played, watching them. The typically weird-ass and elliptical electronic interludes were recorded by the band at home, and are meant to serve as bookmarks along the way.

From Allmusic.com:

"Flux Information Sciences is a three-piece, New York underground band that defines the word underground. The band's music is extreme, indescribable, and awesome. Tristan Bechet, Sebastian Brault, and Derek Etheridge are reminiscent of early downtown no wave bands such as the Contortions, James White & the Blacks, Suicide, Teenage Jesus, etc. They have the sort of systematic ruined futurism of early Devo running through their sound as well. But this is no revival act. This is some badass punk rock music of outrageously high caliber. Who knows if they can play or they are merely art poseurs, but if they're the latter then they're poseurs with teeth-make those fangs? With Private/Public's 18 songs lasting just over 40 minutes, FIS is pure art terrorism in the form of a rock & roll band. There is nothing here but decay, fun, racket, energy, and the kind of craziness that only comes from people who know exactly what they're doing even if it's just wrecking the joint. Private/Public is one of those records that people will be talking about years, even decades, from now."

I just don't wanna get burned with another ATARI TEENAGE RIOT deal. God, I hated them.

Nude Spock, Friday, 7 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

they're really good. playing here next week too.

ethan, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've never heard Gira being so enthusiastic abt anything before, so that must count for something. Do they have any recs out?

Of course, I disagree with Spock abt ATR.

Andrew L, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, there's only one that I know of and it's on Gira's Young God Records, available at amazon or wherever cds are sold, I suppose. Check out the

Yeah... check out the spockcock.... I was trying to give you the YGR website address, but for some reason it didn't work. website?

Nude Spock, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ethan-- playing where?

Nude Spock, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I picked up the disc. It's lovely!!! Ned Raggett would approve, for sure. Reminds me a little of Mr. Quintron what with the crazy primal drumming and whurlitzer sprite organ crazily pounding beneath. Good stuff.

Nude Spock, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This is the best thing I've heard since that music I once heard in my head that never existed outside the confines of one really bad trip. Anyone interested in anything remotely experimental will own this album in just a matter of time. No bout a doubt it. Meditative chaos.

My favorite first listen in probably about 5 or 6 years.

Nude Spock, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I want Brent DeCreznio to review this over at Pitchfork. That should be a hoot.

Nude Spock, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned Raggett would approve, for sure.

I already do. Got the album some time back -- sent in a review for AMG but somebody beat me to it. Fellow board denizen Andy Kellman wrote that AMG bio! And yes, there are a few earlier albums which I really need to look into getting. Gira has a thing for interesting French bands -- there's them, there's Ulan Bator...

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've got Ulan Bator. It's good, but I wouldn't say it's great. I wouldn't say the new AOL cd is great either, though. I prefered the versions of those songs live (or on the Jarboe benefit CD). Gira is really starting to oversing. He always did, but he really ruined Evangeline for me on that new disc.

Nude Spock, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Have to disagree with you on "Evangeline," that's such an amazing song. What a performance...

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned, had you heard it before??? It was so much better in my memory from the show. When I bought the Jarboe disc, there it was, as perfect as ever. When I finally sunk my teeth into the studio version, something very near and dear to me was lost.

Evangeline was WAY more beautiful before he oversang it!!

Nude Spock, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

email me for a free Cd of the Jarboe benefit disc, if you don't already have it, Ned. You'll dig it.

Nude Spock, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Already got that too -- you are speaking to a mega-Swans/related projects fanatic -- check the AMG if you don't believe me. ;-) I'm sure others would appreciate it, though, it's a good performance.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ned, had you heard it before??? It was so much better in my memory from the show.

And to answer this question -- the song didn't really stick with me until the studio version, so go figure. Had I heard it live first, I might well be agreeing with you!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the new aol cd didn't impress me much. come on, only 500 hours?

ethan, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ethan, you seem to be well-educated in the things I like for a guy whose main interests seem to lie in things that I don't like. I'm gonna seriously reconsider your opinions from now on. Either you're really well rounded or you just can't say "no". But, you just did, didn't you? 500 hours? Ha, I get it!

Most likely, you're less of a dipshit than myself, so I should probably pay attention to the types of music you dig that I disregard without a second thought, but I have this problem when I hear music. Perhaps you can help me? See, the thing is: I hate most of it. Probably shouldn't be posting to an ILM board due to this aversion of mine, but the stuff I *do* like I really, really like. What could you suggest that would blow my mind?

Nude Spock, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

well it's weird but yeah i know a lot about the swans mostly from friends and stuff, and i really like pretty much anything gira or yg-related (probably because i only like goth-rock but still) and actually i really like the angels of light disc, even though i only heard it a few times. oh that new gira/ somebody-i-can't-remember album is really good too. er anyway what kind of recommendations do you want? hiphop?

ethan, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh that new gira/ somebody-i-can't-remember album is really good too.

What We Did with Dan Metz from Windsor for the Derby -- and yes, quite good indeed, I recommend it. Gira's solo acoustic album through the website is most cool...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 9 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh i've heard that, it was sort of boring. reminded me of nick cave.

ethan, Sunday, 9 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well there you are, seeing as I'm a Cave addict. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 9 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ethan, I guess hip hop, but I was also under the impression that you liked a great deal of mainstream, er, pop? I thought you like a lot of mainstream R&B acts, as well, but I can see how it could fall under hip hop. There's a lot of cross-pollination going on with music. I'm not sure how to classify it, actually. A lot of names float around that I'm familiar with but dismiss after a few unpleasant experiences. One of which was a hip-hop/R&B chick whose name I can never remember. She dresses like a freakin' egyptian butterfly and I think she named her kid "Fly"? She wears ankhs and stuff, lots o' jewelry. Anyway, after hearing 2 entire cds of hers, I realized that I like her stuff. One or two songs may sound boring, but when you hear the whole thing, it's quite good.

Nude Spock, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ah, just remembered. Erykah Badu is her name.

Nude Spock, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

my mom likes badu.

ethan, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It seems very middle-aged, very laid back, reminds me of new Sting, although I'm sure that doesn't entirely make a good comparison. Incidentally, are Sting and Badu successful with "world beat" or is it not even world beat at all?

Nude Spock, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
Are any of these people still making music?

SumDumFuk13, Sunday, 12 September 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a shame. they were ahead of the whole nyc blow-up, and i wish they could have stuck it out a bit longer.

lauren (laurenp), Sunday, 12 September 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I was looking at that Young God album of theirs the other day, wondering what became of them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 September 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just talking to my producer about them yesterday, oddly enough (he recorded their album with a crypto-Nazi interrogation scene on the cover, the title escapes me). He says they're completely out of the game as far as he knows.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 12 September 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I was thinking of reviving this one myself, in view of the Liars thing. One of them, Trztn or something like that, has a band called Services that's still around. If you go to the old Flux website there's info there. I think it's fluxinformationsciences.com. Google would have it.

BTW, there's some good stuff on the Flux Summer CD, though there's also some long tedious stuff. The track Charlotte Rampling is killer.

Wish I'd seen them live more often.

dlp9001, Sunday, 12 September 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

the Flux principles are in a new band called Services. Electro-metal made with Slayer samples. s'good.

sexyDancer, Sunday, 12 September 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw a 7" at Kim's a couple of times called Trztn.

The one time I saw them at Luxx, it was awesome. And that weird, little man that hung out there sometimes was there and the singer picked him for a while and the man was dancing all freaky-freaky. My friend sent me a link to a picture of it. I wonder where that went.

Magic City (ano ano), Sunday, 12 September 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

he recorded their album with a crypto-Nazi interrogation scene on the cover, the title escapes me

That's the Young God one -- Private/Public

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 September 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes! Thank you. I should listen to it again.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 13 September 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Caught them live in the Private/Public era at Brownies (R.I.P.). Amazing show. They were like a cross between the Beastie Boys, Catholic Discipline, and Army of Lovers.

stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 September 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i was probably at that show. for a while, they were my favorite local band.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 13 September 2004 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The slayer samples metal record is cute, but tristan gave me a CD of a few Services songs that really kicks ass. He's kind of a one trick poney at time, but it's a good trick, hard and intense kinda industrial groovy cabaret noise. Makes me want to scream "discipline!" I see it as the last remainging thread of that uber-intense NYC noise rock thing, Swans, Foetus Cop Shoot Cop etc. M. Gira and Jim Thirwell are/were both big fans. I saw him play with F.M. Eihneit and that was really cool. I'll dig out the Services CD...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 13 September 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, and i think the nazi-esque cover matched with the song "Charlotte Rampling" may have something to do with the film the Night Porter starring, i believe, ms. rampling

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Monday, 13 September 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

the Night Porter starring, i believe, ms. rampling

You are correct, Sir. That's an interesting reading!

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 13 September 2004 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks! here's a pic of the film's cover....

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0780020405.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Monday, 13 September 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Oooo...la la

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 13 September 2004 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)


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