Chuck Eddy chose Ashlee Simpson's Autobiography in his Eddytor's Dozen last week, so I gave it a listen and...

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I just got around to listening to it. I'd like to know what he hears here. For the most part it's rather undistinguished. "Better Off," for instance, seems representative in that it could be by just about anyone musically/lyrically. The title song is pretty dull. She kinda growls on "La La", esp. when she talks about wearing a French Maid's outfit and meeting her man at the door, which is mildly amusing. I guess when she's trying to sound tough, there is some appeal to her voice. But really now...

― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)

If Chuck Eddy jumped off a bridge, would you?

― still bevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems he has. and i followed.

― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

It's just a real good fake Courtney Love album, Frank E. Sort of like the Distillers; way better than their last one. And thanks largely to Kenny Aranoff (rock's best drummer of the past couple decades) showing up on five tracks, it rocks. "La La" is as catchy a pop song as I've heard in the past several months. What else do you need? (If I had my copy handy, I'd tell you what my other favorite songs on it are, but I don't. It's at home, probably filed in the "S" section.)

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, this song "Unreachable" sounds a bit like a souped-up, mass-produced Bettie Serveert.

― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

It's at home, probably filed in the "S" section.

Makes sense, I suppose.

― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, I didn't expect to like it at all when I first put it on (the thing had sat around here, on my "I'll probably be getting rid of these CDs" shelf, for a few weeks before I did); I don't watch MTV, so I had no opinion about her one way or the other going on. I was just doing my job. And it turned out to be a really playable record.

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i guess the issue of whether it could "be by just about anyone" is really moot if the songs themselves are good enough, and i think there's at least 5 or 6 on this album that are pretty great, maybe a significant part of my fascination with the record involves the weird external "manufactured celebrity makes moderate rebellion" aspect, which i know has nothing to do with how the music itself sounds, but it certainly makes those comparisons with courtney love's newest more than apt (as another record made more interesting by its back story and the levels of contrivance exhibited by its creator).

xpost obv.

either way, i can't resist "la la" even in spite of its maybe-creepy conotations, i think "autobiography" and "better off" are both great, the title track's serviceable, and there's a couple other keepers (esp. "surrender").

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Avril (who people seem to like around these parts) just sounds totally dreary in comparison to me. Ditto most of the other post-Avril teenpoppers (and post-Christina r&b ones) I've heard this year (though not Skye Sweetnam, who I think is really entertaining.) Some people will agree with me, and some people won't. Which is fine.

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

The second half is more interesting, but only marginally. Her voice reminds me of someone, but damn if I can pin it down.

"Undiscovered" sounds like U2.

― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Her voice makes me stab icepicks into my eyes.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

If I had my copy handy, I'd tell you what my other favorite songs on it are, but I don't

most be a real stormer then...

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Similarly, her face makes me jam pencils through my eardrums.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Aside from the teen girl-isms (like describing herself as a "flirt") and some other assorted lyrical mishaps, this album is so much better than anything anything the other Avrilutionaries (FeFe Dobson, Katy Rose, etc.) have released that the only basis for comparison is their images.

And I was pretty sure I'd hate this when I put it on.

― Talent Explosion (Talent Explosion), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"lala" is good, "Shadows" sucks. Those are the only two tracks I've heard, but yeah "Lala" rocks something fierce.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

heh. when I dropped my "to review" folder into WinAmp, the new RTX followed this. talk about a growl.

― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Amateurist, can you remember off the top of your head your favorite songs on every album you've ever liked?? If so, I am truly in awe of you. Some people are really good at that; I usually forget what lots of the songs are even *called.* Sometimes I even circle the tracks on my CDs and albums so I will remember, in case I need to know sometime.

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I can hear a bit of Joan Jett in "La La".

― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Chuck, you are weird. I still get stuck on that comment you made several months ago about Dave Grohl not having enough "swing" in his drumming, or not being able to truly rock, or something (which I chalked up to a general contrarianism, or you having some beef against Grohl, since I'll be damned if someone can truly make a reasonable argument AGAINST Grohl's skills - the guy is a really original and incredible drummer). But then you've got the specific noting of Kenny Aranoff, who's like the ULTIMATE session guy with no real standout identity beyond just solid drumming. What am I missing?? What Aranoff tracks are you thinking of? I don't mean to derail this thread with music nerd-ery, but this has grabbed me...

― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

but aren't most songs of this genre of music titled after a line in the chorus? do you remember the choruses? my thought was: if you can't remember the choruses, or the main hook, then how memorable can it be? (i mean, obv this wouldn't apply to a cecil taylor record, but this is ashlee simpson we're talking about.) it could be that ashlee simpson has weird song titles a la red krayola, though.

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

So Chuck Eddy is the Momus of ILM, right?

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

DJDee OTM about "Shadows" though, that one sucks hard, the sibling rivalry thing's a fascinating concept when the sibs involved are both mega celebrities, but Ashlee just turns it into a cringe-inducing pity party for one.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

c'mon now, hooks/titles/choruses don't GET more memorable than "La La"!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

or, if you don't have the titles handy, there's always the old "the one that goes..." tactic.

hmm that reminds me of:

I saw this movie about a bus that had to SPEED around a city, keeping its SPEED over fifty, and if its SPEED dropped, it would explode! I think it was called "The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down."

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not making any kind of point about ashlee simpson, btw. i've never even heard an ashlee simpson song! though i heard her sister's version of "take my breath away" in h&m on sunday. that one's the pits.

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

does ashlee have a better voice than her sister or does she just deploy it with more modesty/in songs that don't ask too much of it? or is she just as bad?

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't it always tempting for critics to find the little bit of nuts and lettuce in the turd so as to distinguish themselves from the others critics (or anyone else) who just hears the turd?

― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

they have studio magic to make her voice acceptable, dudar. I think being less flagrant than Jessica and her constant warbling helps too. If youre not trying to sing too hard, you can get away with being alright.

― still bevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Taxi Dancing: See just about any John Cougar record, 1980-1986.
Amateurist: She sings better than her sister. And I am in awe of you even if you can always remember choruses you haven't heard for a few weeks (I can't, as often as not, but yeah, "La La" is indelible.)
Peepee: So how do critics figure out which turd to find lettuce in?

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd listen to this if there was a bona fide hit on it. Otherwise, it's just an ironic exercise.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't listen to as much music as you, chuck (at least, not as many recent albums, to be sure) so it's probably easier for me to remember that which i've heard.

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

And yeah, by "sings better" I probably do mean "better voice." By which I probably mean there's way more bite and vinegar to it. (Though, to be fair, I've never really listened to Jessica much.)

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Good point, Am't'rst. I'm sure I've played a few hundred albums since the last time I played Ashlee's. Which would be a lot of choruses to file away in my memory banks.

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Jessica has better pitch by Ashlee is more genuine-sounding (also the Simpson rasp is a benefit to Ashlee but a liability to Jessica due to the musical styles they're going after).

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

well "good voice" depends on the context. as noted above, jessica tries to be a big ballad diva but doesn't have the chops to pull it off. when she sings less "challenging" songs she's ok, albeit boring. i would guess since ashlee is being positioned as the "rock" sister, she's not tackling songs that require big chromatic leaps, super-sustained high notes, etc. so i guess the criteria for her being a "good voice" would be different.

xpost

thanks dan!

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean, jessica has more chops than i do, and more than your average talent show entry trying to put across "the greatest love of all." but she tries for stuff on "take my breath away" that she can't pull off, even with the benefit of repeated takes, voice-altering technology, etc.

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously, the rejected super-bluesy version of "The Sweetest Sin" that got negged by the record company is far and away the most impressive thing I've ever heard Jessica do.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i think maybe she'd be better off doing a sort of sheryl-crow-y blues-inflected MOR thing than the celine dion thing she occasionally aims for.

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Everyone disses "Shadow" but I heard it once on a TV show and I thought it sounded pretty good. Reminded me of Pat Benatar. Is that really one of the worst songs?

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"Peepee: So how do critics figure out which turd to find lettuce in?"

I'm not sure. I'm not a (professional) critic. I'm just a guy who loves the music he loves. I was being a bit goofy, but I guess it really must be difficult to listen to all those turds and have to write something besides "This is a turd".

The smartass answer to your question, though, might be "the vegetarian pop star".

― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember "Shadow" being one of the CD's least memorable songs, yeah.

How does Jessica's hit about wearing only a T-shirt and the older one where she samples "Jack and Diane" compare to the rest of her music? I actually like those okay. I'm sure I must've heard other songs by her, but if so, they've left no impression at all, good or bad.

>I'm just a guy who loves the music he loves.<

Me too. Though people often seem to have difficulty believing it.

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

well, you are a guy whose job it is to write in such a way that people are interested in hearing the music you love, which complicates matters a bit

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, is that a music critic's job? I'm not sure that it is.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the responsibility of the marketing department to get people interested in hearing the music, not the music critic. The music critic is more of a first-line sounding board for the artist and audience than anything else.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, well in any event he makes a living writing about music, so that involves rhetoric. it's at the level of rhetoric that i think people start challenging chuck (and everyone else)

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Or, maybe just someone who is (or thinks they are) a good writer,
and is interested in music.
Or pop culture.

― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

well, speaking for myself
xpost

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't want to get into this argument again though. suffice to say i have no doubt that chuck or anyone else likes ashlee simpson or pretty much anything else. like i wrote, i've never heard her records.

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Those Cougar tracks are fine, but rock's BEST drummer of the last couple decades?!?!
I had to go digging around, and Aronoff's website lists his discography from year to year -- Since those JCM albums it's been a litany of trainwrecks, peppered with the occasional hit (including ones by Hilary Duff, Anastacia, Avril Lavigne, and Betty Dylan this year).
I'm not saying the guy's a bad drummer, but I MUST take exception to this bit of hyperbole.

― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"But then you've got the specific noting of Kenny Aranoff, who's like the ULTIMATE session guy with no real
standout identity beyond just solid drumming"

Yer crazy. He totally has an identity. He's one of the few rock session drummers that you could pick out of a lineup 9 times out of 10 when you hear a record.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

is that the guy who wears those bad Bono-shades?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

he kinda flipped out when the Smashing Pumpkins invited him on board.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)

If anything, He's TOO distinctive to be the ultimate session guy. The ultimate session guy just disappears into whatever is being played.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

b-b-b-but - the ultimate session drummer is Hal Blaine! And he's instantly recognizable as well.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The Smashing Pumpkins era was when he got super buff and wore black gloves when he played and those Bono glasses with the yellow lenses.

I couldn't pick the guy out of a lineup sound-wise, though. And, again, though I don't think he has any particular identity, and I think he's a fine drummer, Chuck's claim was "rock's best drummer of the past couple decades"!!! Which is insane!!!!!

― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah well, chuck has a tendency to send the hyperbole-meter deep into the red.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"R.O.C.K. In The U.S.A.!"

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Hyperbole my ass. I mean, who the heck is *better* then? (Only guy I can think of is Stephen Adler on the first GnR album. But I'd be happy to hear other nominations. Except Grohl, which is a joke. If a drummer doesn't have any dance in him, that's a pretty huge mark against him in my book.) (I will admit, though, that the past couple decades have not been especially good one for rock drumming. In the '70s, Aranoff would have had *tons* of competition.)

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, actually, by "past couple decades" I really mean "past quarter century," I guess. (Which would include the opening beats of "Tom Sawyer", too, I suppose, but it's not like Peart has made me care all that much otherwise in recent history.)

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I admit it's been a sad era for drummers in general. I nominate, uh, Ken Nasta!

I'll have to think about this, I don't mentally catalog the names of drummers like I do other stuff.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

You know, I did think the Probot album needed to be more danceable.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

the only session drummer type guy I can think of who's done a similar variety of stuff is Joey Waronker... on the other end of the spectrum I'd nominate Joe Preston (especially since he started playing with High on Fire). I really like the Dirtbombs drummers, but maybe that's cuz there's two of them (neither of whose name I can recall). Andrew WK's drummer is fantastic.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:26 (twenty-one years ago)

How do you feel about Steve Sheeley Chuck? (Only drummer I can think of the name of that I like,so don't be too harsh)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

oh man Shelley's the shiznit. and very versatile. why didn't I think of that? Duh!

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

>How do you feel about Steve Sheeley Chuck? <

Nowhere near as good as Richard Edson or Bob Bert.

>You know, I did think the Probot album needed to be more danceable.<

Just generally sucking less might have been nice as well:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0418/smith.php

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

You mean Edson as a drummer, or for his performance in the remake of Starsky and Hutch?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

chuck has there ever been a thread where you DIDN'T post a link to yr rag?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Although if we're talking about SY's drummers, Sclavunos is great on the new Nick Cave (assuming he's drumming on it?)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, look, there is probably somebody out there, in Los Fabulosos Cadillacs or Chico Science's Nacao Zumbi or whatever, who can totally wipe the floor with Aranoff. OK? But I don't know their name. Aranoff wins simply by virtue of making R.O.C.K. in U.S.A. swing (and using the whole damn kit to do it) when nearly everybody else was afraid to.

Shakey, stop whining about my links. That review is great.

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

can I whine about those damn ads for that John Waters movie? They're kinda ecchh.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that's okay. Those grossed me out too, Anthony.

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

i think Todd Trainer from Shellac is a great drummer, in a robotic John Bonham sorta way.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually prefered "Roland", in Big Black! But hey, I'm old school.

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

it's weird that that review takes Grohl to task for engaging in a "vanity venture" when I got the impression he just wanted to help out a bunch of people he admired. It's not like Lemmy, Wino, Cronos, et al have been realy busy raking in the cash lately. And just by making that album, Grohl was essentially just handing the label a bunch of cash so they can stay afloat and put out even better stuff. I haven't heard a note of it so I won't debate its musical merits, but slagging off Grohl's motives for doing it seems stupid.

also, I'm perplexed by chuck's insistence that rock drummers SWING. Who are you, Duke Ellington? I don't understand how the essentially jazz concept of swing has any place in rock whatsoever....

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, how many great Goatsnake, Sun 0)))), etc. releases are gonna essentially be bankrolled by Probot? I see this as a good thing...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

you didn't give roland much love in Stairway To Hell, Chuck.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

oh god please don't mention his book...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

He meant Edson in "Super Mario Brothers: The Movie" I think.

I suppose we're coming at this from different angles -- I'm getting the impression that by "best drummer" Chuck's talking more about how it "grooves" and "feels" rather than technical ability and originality.

So, sure, this comes down to how we're defining best, but I think a strong argument could be made in favor of any of these guys (a few of which will raise red flags because of the shitty bands they play(ed) in, but they are all incredibly gifted):

~ Zigaboo Modeliste
~ Pete Thomas
~ Damon Che
~ Chris Penne
~ Jimmy Chamberlain
~ Carter Beauford (yes, yes, I know, but still, he's incredible)
~ Brendan Canty
~ Stewart Copeland
~ Zach Hill
~ Danny Carey

― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I think "Taxi" is coming at this the wrong way but I'd like Chuck to clarify the "swing" comment as well.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

chuck's probably busy looking up the appropriate Village Voice column to link in order to explain himself.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I'm definitely coming at it the wrong way; I always do --
but that comment, as a bit of a drummer myself, just drove me nuts --
and http://www.kennyaronoff.com/ didn't help matters.

― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 23:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I've done it many times, DJdee. Here and elsewhere. Search functions are widely available (though the one at the Voice website kinda stinks, much to Shakey's chagrin when he can't think of anything else to complain about ad infinitum.) Anyway, I am fond of 16th notes. And when rock stopped being dance music, it went way the fuck downhill. (Which isn't to say *all* the rock I like swings. Scandinavian goth metal sure doesn't. But we're talking about "best" here.) As for technical ability and originality, I care what you *do* with them.

― chuck, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

first of all, no self-respecting grown man calls himself "Kenny". Secondly 16th notes /= "swing".

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Although I have just discovered he has his own line of signature cowbells, which you can't fuck with.

― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

first of all, no self-respecting grown man calls himself "Kenny".

Hey, fuck you.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not a musician, so I can't really dissect who I feel are the best drummers. But here are ones I like and who awe me.

Obviously, Neil Peart.

Lars Ulrich -- say what you want about the recording, but the drumming on St. Anger is fucking incredible.

?uestlove, who brings musicality to confining hip-hop beats and backs up all those good soul writers.

Keith Moon -- No joke, first time I heard "Goin' Mobile" I flipped. How the hell did guy do that?

Aranoff -- He really is a beast. The most underrated of Cougar/Mellencamp's records is the one they did with Junior Vasquez. Plus, he's the sole savior of Smashing Pumkins' Adore, imho. And, yeah, Hurts So Good is pretty good, too.

Chuck is right. The 70s were filled with great drumming. I like the dude from Grand Funk Railroad, even.

Dunno his name, but anybody remember the Breakbeat Era? That was Roni Size and DJ Die's live band d-n-b project. Saw them live during CMJ in '99, and that was a mindblower for sure.

Kinda like the drumming on DBT's records, too.

― Chris O., Tuesday, 21 September 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

And Chuck, Dave Grohl really does rule!

― Chris O., Tuesday, 21 September 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

So Chuck Eddy is the Momus of ILM, right?

No, Momus is the Jerry Saltz of ILM.

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Although if we're talking about SY's drummers, Sclavunos is great on the new Nick Cave (assuming he's drumming on it?)

I haven't seen the new record, but historically Wydler is the drummer, Sclavunos is the percussionist

― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Cool, thanks. I was never clear what his role was.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

momus are you just hanging out in a corner smoking a cigarette all the time? it's kind of freaky.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 03:39 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

oh man - finally getting around to listening to autobiography. title song is awesome, i know i love "pieces of me" and "lala". i love it when stuff like this lives up to my hopes.

― peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

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