NME to bullet the Singles Review page

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Yep. They are stopping their review of the weeks singles releases.

And replacing it with "Tracks". i.e. as soon as they are in the 'public domain' i.e. online / downloadable.

It's like anything NME are involved in thesedays is not so much 'backhanded' as out and out sponsored by the powers that be.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 23 September 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

or, alternatively, it's a perfectly acceptable reaction in an age where music distribution is in a state of flux and the single has ceased to have any real resonance as a cultural artefact.

hellfire, it's the NME. it should review *ringtones*.

grimly fiendish, Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd keep singles section and have a separate section for tracks - stuff not released yet and/or doin' the rounds online

teh pow! (blueski), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

They should review what drugs Pete Docherty has taken that week.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

That would require a separate server.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

so are they going to encourage illegal downloading?!

toby (tsg20), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

ROCK N' ROLL!

teh pow! (blueski), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

They do rather encourage downloading anyway. They're had a section called Burn It for ages.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

so are they going to encourage illegal downloading?

hey, we did that at the ****** ******, where i used to work. a very, very short-lived series of MP3 reviews a couple of years ago. we were pioneers, man.

grimly fiendish, Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

regarding singles I am massive critic of bbc 6 Music:

why is their playlist dominated by singles ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/music/playlist.shtml

when people in their 20s/ 30s/ 40s that listen to the station do not buy singles.

presently 6 Music is glorified promotions machine for record companies [majors/ large independents] that are on the plugging circuit.

this obsession with singles does not serve the listeners - so why do the bbc dinosaurs carry on with it?

The British music industry/ media needs a massive shake up - 6 Music in particular needs a radical shakeout/ change in music programming and playlist policy.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

6 music. Playing singles so's you don't have to buy them.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

that roundtable programme winds me up every week !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

on a similar theme, did anybody see this puff piece for a new music mag in the Independent on Sunday?

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=563210

Peter Watts (peterw), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I would only read a magazine called Rip & Burn if it was from 1985 and featured sunburned skaters in circulation-harming shorts

DJ Mencap0))), Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

did anybody see this puff piece for a new music mag

i give it six months.

wankers.

grimly fiendish, Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean.

Our job on Rip & Burn will be to share our passion for great music in cyberspace - and movies, DVDs, games and gadgets which cross-breed in the online world - while guiding the fan through the virtual megastore of downloadable tracks.

what utter, utter bollocks.

"our job on rip and burn will be to jump on a bandwagon, hold on feebly for a few months, then fall off and skin our arses."

wankers!

grimly fiendish, Thursday, 23 September 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)


I love this bit best.

'Why a magazine and not a website, though? Unlike a clunky desktop or even laptop computer, it is inexpensive, accessible, tactile and above all mobile - a piece of old technology that harmonises with the cutting edge of the new listening experience. No wonder my board of directors said yes.'

Peter Watts (peterw), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd probably still write for them though, if they asked me, and didn't mind that I've never downloaded anything in my life with a grownup to help me

DJ Mencap0))), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

will they review the stuff they can find online or the same stuff we all found three weeks before.?

will there be url's? and knowing how accurate the spelling is on the enema will it be the correct url? and who is going to type http://users.ispname.com/~blah_de-blah/music/new/this_week/mp3list.html etc..?

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

oh - the url doesn't work, obviously.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

No wonder my board of directors said yes.

Hm. Shoot this person.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah that last night had me spluttering obscenities .. no wonder indeed sir .. ('MY board of directors' - showing off or wishful thinking ..)

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

night = line. doh.

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

aarrggh, i choose a random url from my head and it leads to a crappy search page. wtf? can any admin type folk de-activate the url please or delete the post. bastid search companies.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

and .. re MP3's doesn't anyone want to blast music properly in full glorious stereo at speaker threatening volume as opposed to some lo-fi low-bit rate mp3 d/l'd from some corp sanctioned service to be listened through their off-white earplugs anymore ?
bloody shame. i love singles. if packaged right they are a collector ssscums dream ..

mark e (mark e), Thursday, 23 September 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

why is their playlist dominated by singles ? when people in their 20s/ 30s/ 40s that listen to the station do not buy singles.

A reason may be that if it's a single, there's a chance a 6Music listener may have heard the song elsewhere (other radio, TV) as well, so its recognisableness is greater than when the station plays another song from the album. Listeners do not like to hear (radio programmers think/know/fear) too many (to them) unknown tunes on the radio.

JoB (JoB), Thursday, 23 September 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely small bands will lose out if you get rid of the singles reviews? Sure, they've done well through the internet, but unless they've got marketing clout they'll find it difficult to push through the mire. Surely there's room for both?

Stew S, Thursday, 23 September 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Who, besides DJ Mencap, will contribute to Rip & Burn?
Here's a wild guess:

Stuart Maconie, Andrew Harrison, Paul Du Noyer, Jim Irvin,
Tom Cox, Nigel Williamson, Marcello Carlin, Mark Beaumont....

Giveusajob, Friday, 24 September 2004 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

tons of US music mags have a "burn this!" section now

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 24 September 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

but keep buying those albums kids!

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 24 September 2004 10:27 (twenty-one years ago)

or dont.

I'm American, Friday, 24 September 2004 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

thank you, irony-hammer

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 24 September 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

a shame. the most pleasure i ever got from NME was giving some really really wonderful records Single Of The Week - Mary J Blige's 'all that i can say', 'black atlantian' by gamma, 'wheats' by mazarin... we used to be told, the singles reviews, that's the section where you can take chances, as a writer. which we did, all too rarely i must admit.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 24 September 2004 10:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"Who, besides DJ Mencap, will contribute to Rip & Burn?
Here's a wild guess:
Stuart Maconie, Andrew Harrison, Paul Du Noyer, Jim Irvin,
Tom Cox, Nigel Williamson, Marcello Carlin, Mark Beaumont...."

Stevie Chick

Tight Lipped, Friday, 24 September 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually thought the format they had where the singles were reviewed in one big spiel of text was cool and readable. Unfortunately most of the singles reviewed at that point were third-rate indie piss that can't have been the slightest pleasure to write about

DJ Mencap0))), Friday, 24 September 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

hey, i'm a freelancer. if they offered interesting work and paid well, i'd be there. i like mat, and his presence there dispels any lingering cynicism i might have over an internet-based print magazine.

stevie (stevie), Friday, 24 September 2004 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

'wheats' by mazarin

aaaaaah! must ... listen ... to ... now ... wow, what a great song that is.

there was a bloke called ian something ... i think ... who was a writer in the early nineties ... little guy ... wrote *the* greatest single reviews ever. crazy self-indulgent genius that still managed to tell you what you needed to buy that week.

grimly fiendish, Friday, 24 September 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

WAsn't Ian Penman was it?

herbalizer12 (herbalizer12), Friday, 24 September 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)


mat snow by the way is a sound bloke. when he was editor of mojo, he let me talk to him over the phone for an hour when i was a student for some essay i had to do. he had bags of time for me, was really complimentary, friendly and helpful for no reason other than he felt like being.

piscesboy, Friday, 24 September 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Ian McCann?

DJ Mencap0))), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

NME singles reviews haven't been the same since Penny Reel stopped doing them. Every single would be reviewed, and that's when 150-200 would be released each week. Needless to say they were object lessons in brevity e.g Jesus and Mary Chain's Upside down, 'buzzsaw black rite'.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 24 September 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

The point about taking risks in the singles reviews is dead on. Even now,it's one of the few places where writers can go against the consensus or push forward an exciting new band, Art Brut for example.

Stew S, Friday, 24 September 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

ian mccann! that was him. where is he now? f***in' loved him.

grimly fiendish, Friday, 24 September 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

"ian mccann! that was him. where is he now? f***in' loved him."

I believe the last time i read some McCann was when the boy Ian contributed to the Mojo reviews section, when Keith Cameron(also formerly at NME, of course) was , well, Reviews Editor at Mojo.

Tight Lipped, Friday, 24 September 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

or push forward an exciting new band, Art Brut for example.

I'm sorry, I really love a lot of what Angular Records are doing (The Vichy Government, The Violets, The Long Blondes), but there is no way Art Brut count as an exciting new band. I thought we all got over all that meta-textual stuff years ago.

Anna (Anna), Saturday, 25 September 2004 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm backpedalling a bit here, but the Art Brut thing was just an example of a singles reviewer pulling something new out of the hat. I've only heard one song (and not the single) and it was alright, but nothing amazing. Couldn't think of any other recent single of the week that came out of the blue. Anyway, I'm drunk, so what do I know?

Stew S, Saturday, 25 September 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw Art Brut last night. They were cock. I've had more exciting trips to the dentist

DJ Mencap0))), Sunday, 26 September 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

No, fair point. I'm afraid it's just my knee-jerk reaction to Art Brut.

Anna (Anna), Sunday, 26 September 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Penny Reel!

Yeah!

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Ben Perreau is the new editor of NME. NME.COM, that is.
Mr. Google tells me that Ben P. is/was "Virgin Radio online music editor".
Where does this leave Anthony Thornton (former NME.COM editor)?
Back To Q?

Steve Knowles, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 06:32 (twenty-one years ago)

anthony is albums review editor... and does a bunch of other secretive stuff he won't tell me about. i think he was in the taliban for awhile. but he breaks down crying when i mention it.

doomie x, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

he's running a course on music journalism at City University with me, from this friday onwards, too. will be able to confirm/deny the Taliban connection by this weekend.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

"he's running a course on music journalism at City University with me"

gosh. music journo course.

i now seriously fucked up my college years in not choosing my course more carefully.

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Wish I'd got a proper music journo course as part of my PG Dip in journalism at Strathclyde. Would have been much more fun than churning out NCTJ bollocks about pensioners getting mugged in Oxdown.
We did get a 6 week elective in reviewing, which was pretty good fun. Our tutor was the most excellent dude, Ken Garner, who wrote a book about every Peel session ever (well, up to about 93). The problem was that it was about everything from films to music to restaurants, so I kinda lost half the class when I engaged in discussions of Lester Bangs and gonzo vs the detached style of Adam Sweeting or John Aizlewood.
Didn't Keith Cameron used to do the City course? Man, they get all the best guys.
Anyway, shut me up before I hijack the thread here.

stew s, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Wish I'd got a proper music journo course as part of my PG Dip in journalism at Strathclyde. Would have been much more fun than churning out NCTJ bollocks about pensioners getting mugged in Oxdown

more fun, yes ... but would it have been more use? i doubt it.

you can teach people the basics of news journalism, ie how to report the facts; and you can teach them about structure and the basic rules of feature-writing and reviewing. (most of them won't listen, of course, but hey.)

but i genuinely believe that, above and beyond that, they're on their own. you can't teach someone to find exclusives or win interviewees' trust or - from a stylistic point of view - how to go from being a bog-standard hack to a talented writer.

to be honest, the idea of teaching people to write about music terrifies me. without exception (IMHO) the great music writers have been singular talents.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Despite its naff name, I bought Rip & Burn on spec, to give it a chance. It contains some light, fun-but-informative, Select-esque writing across a more varied genre spectrum than I've seen in any mag for a good while, along with some decent film content and a design style that looks professional but inviting. I liked it.

I also bought the frist ever Artrocker magazine. None of the above applies to it, unsurprisingly.

Would I write for either? Probably. Would they want me? Less probably.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

what's RIP AND BURN?
where can it be bought?

piscesboy, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

you can teach a certain amount of it, at least you can hammer the clichés out of people as much as possible, at least if it's taught there's a value placed on it as a skill and there might be less rubbish amateurs.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Journalism courses ought to focus on knocking the confidence out of talentless wannabees. That would be a useful service.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

"You can teach people the basics of news journalism, ie how to report the facts; and you can teach them about structure and the basic rules of feature-writing and reviewing. (most of them won't listen, of course, but hey.)"

Well that's true - you can't teach a whole lot more than that. It's just that I'd have loved to have had a few more music journo geek conversations. I know that's what forums like this are for, but it's nice to have full on academic discussions. Obviously that's not gonna turn you into a great writer, but it's interesting. It's also the English lit graduate in me - I love talking about writing and I'm not the sort of person who thinks everything you learn at uni should be geared towards getting you a job. The chance to hear respected journos talking shop was brilliant too.

Certainly the course was of massive use when I worked (albeit briefly) for a local rag, but they let me go at the end of my probabtion, the bastards. I'd already realised it wasn't really for me though. Good experience though.

stew s, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought simon "mercury prize" frith used to come in and chat to the strathclyde mob? surely opportunity for some music geekery there?

unless i'm getting my wires crossed.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:43 (twenty-one years ago)

rip and burn ..

had a look in my local Megabore and agree re the spread of genres is impressive, but something just didn't sit right. its spotty and all over the place.

feels a mess and i wasn't too impressed with the layout. (the burning icon by reviews - yawn ..)

the fact that i dont subscribe to this whole music-online culture (give me a proper album anyday .. i did say "Give" ..) probably sways my opinion somewhat ..

picked up Plan B instead.

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The hilarious thing about Plan B is that 90% of the people writing for it take this 'the NME is crap, we're the only alternative' line but, given the chance, would dump Plan B in a shot if the NME ever asked them to write for it.

Pikmin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 12:02 (twenty-one years ago)

ha ! .. v. possibly .. i got it cos i like the look/feel and was desperate to buy something that i could peruse while in the office that would distance me from the excess of Sun readers that I am surrounded by.

the fact that i've hardly any idea on the bands covered is both a good thing and a bad thing ..

mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

The hilarious thing about Plan B is that 90% of the people writing for it take this 'the NME is crap, we're the only alternative' line

we get unfairly saddled with this all the time: while it might have been true of careless talk, i don't think it is of plan b.

Chris Houghton (chrish), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Grimly Fiendish - Simon Frith may well have talked to Strathclyde students, but not recently. I only graduated last year. Frith teaches at Stirling Uni. I know he gets a right slagging for the Mercury Prize (with some justification) but Performing Rites is a fascinating and thought provoking read.

stew s, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

oh i see ... yes, i'm going back in time a bit with the frith thing. mid to late nineties, IIRC.

[faint bell rings] ... might he have been the partner of the then course organiser, whose name i forget? lovely woman ... mckay? jenny mckay? ach, i'm getting old.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

given the chance, would dump Plan B in a shot if the NME ever asked them to write for it.

Why not write for both? Other people do. It's not a fucking competition

DJ Mencap0))), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)


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