― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 4 October 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 4 October 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 4 October 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 4 October 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 4 October 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)
um, not counting compilations and catalog stuff, he's made three albums in the past decade. two have gone gold and one went platinum. and his catalog continues to sell quite well. and his records are probably relatively cheap to make. even if he wasn't dylan, any label would be extremely happy to have him. plus, he IS dylan.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― briania (briania), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― briania (briania), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)
Take out the "live" part and that sums up pretty much all of Lou's output in the 70s, bless 'im
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)
Metal Machine MusicTake No PrisonersTransformer (CD)
That's also the chart (for me) inasmuch as most played...
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 10:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― jimet, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 11:36 (twenty-one years ago)
Couldn't be - because they were certified gold not long after they came out.
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)
So, basically, he is the Woody Allen of rock.
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)
Metal Machine Music is the sexiest album ever made, mark you.
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― briania (briania), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― briania (briania), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)
Reed moved from RCA to Arista in 1976, and then back to RCA again in 1981 until 1986. His albums may not have all been massive hits, but he had a solid fanbase which insured that his albums would sell X number of copies. He enjoyed a certain amount of success with Transformer, Rock and Roll Animal, Coney Island Baby and Sally Can't Dance during his initial RCA run, and then with New Sensations and possibly Mistrial during the second run (the videos for "The Original Wrapper" and "Video Violence" certainly received a lot of airplay here in Canada). When he left RCA the first time, he was in debt to them for $700000, so they must have seen some potential for profit to sign him again five years later. It was also about this time that The Velvet Underground was finally beginning to receive some recognition for their influence on modern musicians and their albums began to appear in print again in the USA. So the VU "legend" may have played a part in his re-signing to RCA (or not being dropped during this time), but it certainly wasn't helping him shift units in the US in the mid 1970s. There was no VU Legend in the 1970s.
What is it that labels see now? It must be The Legend. I doubt he will ever duplicate the success of New York. I can't stand the way he sings now and thus can't rate his last few albums (the VU live 93 album was the last straw), so your guess is as good as mine.
Also, the RIAA only logs US sales innit? The labels don't care about international sales because they aren't making the profits.
― Kent Burt (lingereffect), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)
I am kinda diggin Rock n Roll Heart tbh
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 April 2009 19:47 (sixteen years ago)
That's my favourite one, dude!
― To Float Away On A Lifelong Song (Bimble), Friday, 10 April 2009 19:49 (sixteen years ago)
The line about New Wave films is batshit awesome.
― I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 April 2009 19:49 (sixteen years ago)
the lounge jazz version of Sheltered Life is endearing
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 April 2009 19:50 (sixteen years ago)
lou's faux populism is so good it's almost not faux. R&R Heart always has me thinking, "yeah, i don't like opera and ballet either! yeahhhh."
― tylerw, Friday, 10 April 2009 19:53 (sixteen years ago)
is this the same band as on Coney Island Baby...? It bears some sonic similarities, although this one gets a little more left-field with some of the distorted guitar tones and processed vocals, and the songs are simpler and lighter in general.
fwiw I do not like opera or ballet either lolz
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 April 2009 19:54 (sixteen years ago)
Yeah, that whole album is just killer. The one "Ladies Pay" about the ladies who miss their men at war especially gets me every time. And the piano! Oh god.
― To Float Away On A Lifelong Song (Bimble), Friday, 10 April 2009 19:55 (sixteen years ago)
not sure if it's the same band as Coney Island -- i don't think so? maybe some of the same dudes. But yeah, this one does have some odd production choices. The superfuzz guitar on the title track is fun.
― tylerw, Friday, 10 April 2009 19:55 (sixteen years ago)
^^^yes Ladies Pay! good stuff
Banging on a Drum rhythm track is fairly insane, was not expecting that from Lou
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 April 2009 19:56 (sixteen years ago)
I'm thinkin the drummer in particular sounds like the same guy... I should just look it up
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 April 2009 19:57 (sixteen years ago)
ah. yes. the rhythm section + keyboardist are all the same
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 April 2009 19:59 (sixteen years ago)
yeah ... innaresting that lou plays all the guitar on R&R Heart, apparently?
― tylerw, Friday, 10 April 2009 20:01 (sixteen years ago)
let's take a minute to pay trib to this dude: http://www.iridescentmusic.ca/fonf.html
― tylerw, Friday, 10 April 2009 20:06 (sixteen years ago)
what is it about old men and terrible hawaiian shirts
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 April 2009 20:10 (sixteen years ago)
maybe it's just something that happens to you, you know? like you wake up one day and you've got nothing but hawaiian shirts in your closet. and it feels good.
― tylerw, Friday, 10 April 2009 20:12 (sixteen years ago)
Yeah I think Hawaiian shirts are cool, actually, especially on older men.
― To Float Away On A Lifelong Song (Bimble), Friday, 10 April 2009 20:58 (sixteen years ago)
but... you're onstage, not on vacation!
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 April 2009 21:04 (sixteen years ago)
love these shirtshttp://z.about.com/d/classicrock/1/0/I/9/velvetundergroundc.jpg
― tylerw, Friday, 10 April 2009 21:07 (sixteen years ago)
someone told me that tai chi album he made was surprisingly decent ambient
― d20 riot tard (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 10 April 2009 21:08 (sixteen years ago)
umm it's ok? i mean, i'm not sure if i'd be super into it if i didn't know it was Lou Reed. but because i know it is him, I AM SUPER INTO IT. to a certain extent. I bought the fucking thing, anyway.
― tylerw, Friday, 10 April 2009 21:09 (sixteen years ago)
wow, thanks for that link - great piece!
"if you remember too much, you weren’t there"
― niels, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 16:25 (seven years ago)
What could be more Lou Reed than insisting on the super-realism of live binaural recording, adding a bunch of mismatched overdubs, and then claiming the resulting sound is exactly what he'd wanted?
― Brad C., Wednesday, 19 September 2018 16:34 (seven years ago)
its own dull, flat sound
I can listen past the production. The arrangements and playing are great.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 16:58 (seven years ago)
The drum sound is great too, actually.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 16:59 (seven years ago)
Good article!
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 16:59 (seven years ago)
I find the debut's sound crisp rather than dull but I also listen to a fair bit of stuff recorded & played by muso dudes whose absolute ideal is clarity over color. to me the sound of the electric guitar on "I Love You", that intro figure, is one of the most memorable musical choices in Lou's discography - as soon as I think of it, I hear it in my head & love it.
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:18 (seven years ago)
think my main problem with the debut is the backup singers, they sound kinda lame. otherwise, i think it's a solid record!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:26 (seven years ago)
yes it is! "Turn To Me" is easily in my top ten
― sleeve, Wednesday, September 19, 2018 9:25 AM (fifty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i love the way this song is just the riff suspended in empty space for the first two verses. it's a really good riff. album has a lot of really good riffs
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:27 (seven years ago)
i realllly love "fly into the sun"
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:33 (seven years ago)
"What Becomes a Legend Most" sounds like he's going for a Paul Young pastiche and it works.
So many good melodies on New Sensations jfc
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:37 (seven years ago)
Just wanted to say I'm not entirely convinced by Tom's assessment of Sterling Morrison's capacity as a guitar player. Obviously, the Velvets applied restraints to themselves in how they played (like Sterling is clearly restricting himself to a particular tessitura in what I assume is his six and a half minute solo in "I'm Gonna Move Right In").
I'd actually like to have a clearer view of what he and Lou do on guitars throughout those records but that's obtainable by more close listening and playing along.
― timellison, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:43 (seven years ago)
there's another article linked somewhere else on ILM that I can't find right now that has another account of the recording process, people involved complaining about all these heads on poles littering the studio etc.
― Harper Valley CTA-102 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:45 (seven years ago)
xp there's a great quote by Mo (I think, could be Yule also) somewhere about how Lou and Sterling swapped their solos on any given night according to some inscrutable internal logic
― sleeve, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:45 (seven years ago)
i pretty much know who's doing what — any specific songs?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:47 (seven years ago)
I can usually distinguish Reed and Morrison. Usually.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:48 (seven years ago)
Not who's doing what but more like chord voicings, methods of plucking, how they approached solos, gear, etc.
― timellison, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:49 (seven years ago)
We've talked about this before but, yes, their lead sound/styles are totally different - even their rhythm playing is quite distinct.
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:50 (seven years ago)
"How in the world were they makin' that sound?/Velvet Underground"
― timellison, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:51 (seven years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAXYW-Bft5A
― sleeve, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:57 (seven years ago)
(Phil Milstein, from the quasi-bootleg What Goes On 3CD on Australian Raven label)
I don't think the arrangements or playing are great - it's true they are on "I Love You" though. I like the album btw!
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)
even their rhythm playing is quite distinct.
Well...I don't see how the guitar on "Lady Godiva's Operation" sounds unlike a Morrison part.
― timellison, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:02 (seven years ago)
Maybe not in every single song!
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:05 (seven years ago)
Ha, that was the first one I checked...
― timellison, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)
Adding my thanks to Shakey for the link - I just got up early and stretched out breakfast listening to Street Hassle and reading it, I don't think I've enjoyed the start of the day quite so much in a while.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 21:18 (seven years ago)
lmao @ mistrial
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 September 2018 23:33 (seven years ago)
you're payin' a price where there's no price to paylove is trustno money down
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 September 2018 23:40 (seven years ago)
YET
"Tell It To Your Heart" is a classic.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 September 2018 23:41 (seven years ago)
yeah that song and "outside" are really good
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 September 2018 23:48 (seven years ago)
thought you were going to say "Mama's Got a Lover"
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 September 2018 23:50 (seven years ago)
lol i nearly did admit that i like that "the original wrapper" exists in lou reed's discography
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 September 2018 23:54 (seven years ago)
The video jukeboxes are-aplayin Madonna
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:00 (seven years ago)
I've never heard "Mistrial". I consider myself a Lou Reed fan too. Shame on me.
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:01 (seven years ago)
before the streaming age you could 99-cent copies on Amazon
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:03 (seven years ago)
No doubt!
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:03 (seven years ago)
wow even Discogs has nothing below $2.99 plus shipping, still too much!
― sleeve, Friday, 21 September 2018 00:06 (seven years ago)
Mistrial >>>>> Berlin
I love how Mistrial gets dismissed most often for "dated production" when fucking Bob Ezrin's despair-on-mothballs arrangements don't scream the seventies, and the songs suck.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:10 (seven years ago)
Now, you've gone too far.
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:18 (seven years ago)
The currents rage so deep inside us This is the age of video violenc
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:22 (seven years ago)
mistrial is up there with take no prisoners as his funniest record
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:28 (seven years ago)
the best video everhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiyX70ZqsVQ
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:28 (seven years ago)
"Growing Up In Public" is a hoot too.
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Friday, 21 September 2018 00:29 (seven years ago)
I think the time is ripe for an "Alfred's 80s records challops" thread
and I wish that it be a cheerful thread
― niels, Friday, 21 September 2018 06:46 (seven years ago)
I thought this was that thread?
Preferring Mistrial to Berlin isn't a challops. A B or B- is a better grade than a C+ or C.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 September 2018 11:04 (seven years ago)
I meant for a thread to include more artists than Lou!
― niels, Friday, 21 September 2018 11:30 (seven years ago)
idk i can't agree with alfred on berlin, outside of the arrangements all the songs on it seem v well written to me
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 21 September 2018 12:04 (seven years ago)
the (relatively) recent concert movie was v rewarding
― niels, Friday, 21 September 2018 12:50 (seven years ago)
I don't know Mistrial apart from the two singles, which are OK. But Berlin is an album I've lived with all my teen/adult life and means an awful lot to me, melodramatic orchestration and all. I hadn't realised until recently though that half the tracks were recycled from VU days. It's amazing that he was recycling VU tracks right up to Street Hassle and maybe beyond.
Listening to the eponymous 1972 album right now and it's sounding pretty good, albeit sort of Loaded II
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 21 September 2018 13:35 (seven years ago)
^Right?
― growing up in publix (morrisp), Friday, 21 September 2018 14:38 (seven years ago)
I suppose Street Hassle's ranking might uh rankle.. It's not much beyond the great title track.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 October 2019 01:08 (six years ago)