Rockism! - The Soundtrack: What Would This CD Comprise Of?

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― splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Track 1: AC/DC - Back in Black

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Track 2: Bob Dylan - License to Kill

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Track 3: A song from Radiohead's Drill ep, only because it's rare.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

b-but, "Back in Black" is a *pop* song!

I think it would actually be a CD-R of whole albums.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

A cassette tape of Who's Next

― dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

That's the thing, EVERYBODY has a claim on BinB!

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

track 4: bob seger, "old time rock 'n' roll"
track 5: bob seger, "old time rock 'n' roll" (robert pollard remix)

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Track 6: Macy Gray - you know which song

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

OCEAN COLOUR SCENE

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

that Tom Petty song where he asks us to "take back your Eddie Murph-y"

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Kylie Minogue, "Some Kind Of Bliss".

― Diego Valladolid (dvalladt), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

grand funk railroad - were an american band

― peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Jet - Roll Over DJ

(not cos its a good song but cos of the rockist-all-the-way sentiment).

― splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"Organic Anti-Beatbox Band" by the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Beautiful Dead" by Killing Joke...

All mod-cons there was dust on the drums
My electronic beat-box got the job done
Everybody emulate the pulse of the soul
And change your clothes (to make you feel whole)
Effort and sweat was a thing of the past (they said!)
Welcome to the world of the beautiful dead

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Rockism mocks Killing Joke, Alex. Don't let the Joke enter the evil realm.

― REFICUL!, Monday, 4 October 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember... Killing Joke were an "80s" band = bad. (never minding it was the rockist faves from the 60s who came back and ruined the 80s, but it doesn't matter... this is a ROCKISM thread.)

― REFICUL!, Monday, 4 October 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Or better yet... Using Make Up = Not Rockist.. unless it's ironic.

― REFICUL!, Monday, 4 October 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I think this soundtrack needs more real hip-hop and real electronic music and real country and real r&b and real world music and stuff like that.

― chuck, Monday, 4 October 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Beautiful Dead" is an isolated song in the Killing Joke lexicon that expresses a rockist sentiment, but I'd never classify Killing Joke as simply a 'rock' (in the way that, say, Foghat or Kix or Eddie & the Hot Rods were rock bands).

Killing Joke are an '80's' band if you're oblivious to the fact that they started in `79 and had three albums released in the 90s.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post)
chuck speaks the truth. it could use some bob marley too, maybe "no woman no cry."

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Killing Joke are an '80's' band if you're oblivious to the fact that they started in `79 and had three albums released in the 90s.

alex, this is the first time ive ever heard you say something retarded.

― peter smith (plsmith), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"mighty real" by sylvester

― tricky disco (disco stu), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

"feeling so real" - moby

― tricky disco (disco stu), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"i'm for real" - nightmares on wax

― tricky disco (disco stu), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

alex, this is the first time ive ever heard you say something retarded.

How so? Killing Joke's career has outlived the 80's. Pigeon-holing them as simply an 80s band (like Kajagoogoo or Haircut 100) is both an insult to the band and factually inaccurate.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I always think of them as an "80s" band too.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

*snicker*

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 4 October 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a diffference, though, between what you think and what I know.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

*tee-hee*

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

No real rockist would be seen NEAR a compilation. Unless it was Nuggets.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

but its being painstakingly restored, constructed and pieced together by a lone auteur figure...... auteur-masterminded comps = rockist?

― splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, lighten up. Did you not see the "quotes" i put around "80s"? and i wasn't even making Spencer's joke. To rockists, Killing Joke are an "80s" band. That's the point I was making. Why in hell would you want to Dishonour The Fire anyway by putting Killing Joke on a fucking Rockist CDR?

― REFICUL!, Monday, 4 October 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, sometimes I think of Killing Joke as a "Follow the Leaders" band, too....

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost, haha!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Why in hell would you want to Dishonour The Fire anyway by putting Killing Joke on a fucking Rockist CDR?

I was thinking of isolated songs, not entire catalogs. The lyrics in question firmly express a rockist sentiment, do they not? Thus, they warrant inclusion, I'd say.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I nominate "Sultans of Swing" and "Money For Nothing", conceptually (or "Walk of Life," musically.)

And I TOTALLY nominate 3rd Bass, "Pop Goes the Weasel."

― chuck, Monday, 4 October 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

If the lyrics are sarcastic.. still, making fun of new wave dance/goths is not equal to rockism. New wave makes fun of new wave. there has to be an idealogical reason to call such activites a stain on music culture. "The Beautiful Dead" doesn't quite do that.. especially given the hypocrisy of the presence of dance remixes of "Stay One Jump Ahead" and "America".

I would nominate the Red Hot Chili Peppers' "Organic Anti-Beat Box Band" for similar reasons, but rockists would dictate that both the Joke and the Peppers are "too lame".

Rockism totally jerks off on ironic meta-isms anyway, hence.

― REFICUL!, Monday, 4 October 2004 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Bryan Adams - "Kids Wanna Rock"

Turned on the radio
Sounded like a disco
Musta turned the dial for a couple of miles
But I couldn't find no rock n' roll

This computerized crap ain't gettin' me off
Everywhere I go - the kids wanna rock

London to LA
Talk about the New Wave
For a couple of bucks ya get a weird haircut
And waste your life away

Around the world or around the block
Everywhere I go - the kids wanna rock

Get me my DJ
I got somethin' he's gotta play
Wanna hear it I can't wait
So turn it up - turn it up...

Kick down the barricades
Listen what the kids say
From time to time people change their minds
But the music is here to stay

I've seen it all from the bottom to the top
Everywhere I go - the kids wanna rock

Around the world or around the block
Everywhere I go - the kids wanna rock
Everywhere I go - the kids wanna rock

― chuck, Monday, 4 October 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Noreaga - "Real or Fake Niggas"

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

(but Bryan Adams is "pop" and therefore not fit for a "rockist" comp)

― REFICUL!, Monday, 4 October 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Lou Reed, David Bowie, Bruce Springsteen, The Clash, Tracy Chapman, Sonic Youth, PJ Harvey, Sex Pistols, . . .

(Would probably sound all right for the most part)

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I forgot Neil Young.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Needs some "real" metal, too.

― chuck, Monday, 4 October 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

This year I nominate Lamb of God.

― chuck, Monday, 4 October 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom Waits!

What real metal? Jane's maybe? Stuff that's too prog has to be out, stuff that's too crass should probably be out too.

xpost. Don't know LoG

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Fugazi?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Probably a bunch of hokey 50s R'n'R, old country, and 60s girl groups would be essential.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

xxxpost:
Tracy Chapman is rockist?
The Clash were early hip hop champions, hardly rockist.
Neil Young not only put out an electronic record, but also a noise record!!

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a diffference, though, between what you think and what I know.
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), October 4th, 2004.

there's also a difference between what someone "knows" and what actually is!*

*i don't know anything about what 'is', by the way

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Pfft, championing 'authentic' voice-of-the-people hip-hop (over the poppier stuff, say) is a classic rockist priority, everyone knows that. Christgau to thread. Neil Young's efforts at electronic music merely demonstrated that even the most artificial of musics can be made meaningful when a true artist approaches them.

xpost

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

no songs on here should have synths, drum machines or keyboards.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

The modern rockist is more subtle than that.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I've been called a "rockist" so many times that I've lost touch with what it's actual definition is. Whatever.

Being that "The Beautiful Dead" mocks the usage of beatboxes in lieu of live drums, I'd say it qualifies as "rockist". That the Joke themselves heartily embraced elements of dance music (beatboxes included, to say nothing of the "rap" on "Stay One Jump Ahead") before and after this recording isn't the point. As stated before, I'm including it as an isolated song expressing a rockist sentiment. The Joke have changed their minds on subjects from time to time. They're allowed, as are we all.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

And, once again, I thought the point was a compilations of songs -- not a roster of artists who were "rockists" throughout their entire career. The Red Hots lamented the usage of beatboxes on "Organic Anti-Beatbox Band," but would later go onto work (or at least appear in videos by) Ice Cube and...er..Young MC. Clearly, they changed their tune, so to speak, on Hip Hop. Once again, they're allowed.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost: postrockist already???

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"Panic" The Smiths.And any Stereophonics.

― A pair of brown eyes, Monday, 4 October 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Last point -- I interpret calling Killing Joke "an 80s band" as a slight, a dismissive comment, a put-down, a pigeon-holing. And, as I'm sure you've all figured out by this point, I shan't tolerate anyone putting Killing Joke down.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"rock is my life, this is my song"/ bachman-turner-overdrive

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

>What real metal? Jane's maybe? Stuff that's too prog has to be out, stuff that's too crass should probably be out too.<

Slayer, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, whoever the generic death metal bores of this week are -- you know, stuff no metal fans dare question (unlike, say, Nightwish or Poison or whatever). The "pure" stuff.

I think most girl groups are too glam to be rockist, though.

― chuck, Monday, 4 October 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe I'm changing the definition a bit, but I interpet "Rockism" as also meaning "as little of black music as possible."
Iron Madien probably takes the cake in this regard.
Or Burzum (no drums!!!)

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

i.e, rockist music =/ just music Nick Hornby likes, or music with guitars and not synths. All genres have their OWN Nick Hornbys, opting for the healthy and genuine and upstanding over the pop and crass and silly. Dance critics who eat up the latest microgenre but cringe at, say, "Barbie Girl" and "Macarena" and Crystal Method (or whoever they hate these days) are as rockist as anybody these days.
And I don't see how race is a distinguishing factor anymore at all. Hip-hop critics can be more rockist than rock critics ever were.

― chuck, Monday, 4 October 2004 22:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Crystal Method *are* rockist!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, I don't think you are getting the attempts at humor!! That is NOT what I was saying and it's the opposite of what REFICUL was saying!!!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Might 'Hit the Hi-Tech Groove" br PWEI be considered rockist, given its seemingly dismissive parodying of house?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe we should have said that Killing Joke are an "Eighties" band?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, I don't think you are getting the attempts at humor!! That is NOT what I was saying.....

oh fer cryin' out loud, let's drop it. Killing Joke Rules and Your Favorite Band Sucks!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

How could I forget!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm here to remind you. Always.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

DOA - Disco Sucks

― Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Black Star - Children's Story

― Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's time to note the irony that this compilation would in all probability actually rock.

― Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex, you're one of my favorites on this board, but someone must have shat on your cereal this morning.. sheesh.

― REFICUL!, Monday, 4 October 2004 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

School of Rock OST

1 School of Rock - School of Rock 4:12
2 Your Head and Your Mind and Your Brain.... 0:36
3 Substitute - Who 3:47
4 Fight - No Vacancy 2:35
5 Touch Me - Doors 3:10
6 I Pledge Allegiance to the Band.... 0:49
7 Sunshine of Your Love - Cream 4:10
8 Immigrant Song - Led Zeppelin 2:23
9 Set You Free - Black Keys 2:44
10 Edge of Seventeen - Stevie Nicks 5:26
11 Heal Me, I'm Heartsick - No Vacancy 4:46
12 Growing on Me - Darkness 3:29
13 Ballrooms of Mars - T Rex 4:08
14 Those Who Can't Do.... 0:41
15 My Brain Is Hanging Upside Down - Ramones 3:53
16 T.V. Eye - Wylde Ratttz 5:22
17 It's a Long Way to the Top - School of Rock

Wylde Ratttz is Don Fleming, Thurston Moore, Steve Shelley, Mark Arm, Mike Watt, and Ron Asheton.

― a banana (alanbanana), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

dead prez - hip hop

― Symplistic (shmuel), Monday, 4 October 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Travis, "Tied To The 90's"

― Diego Valladolid (dvalladt), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

My picks address the rockist sublime ~

Doobie Bros. "Long Train Runnin'"
Kansas "Carry on Wayward Son"
Led Zeppelin "Rock & Roll"
Cream "Badge"
ELP "Lucky Man"
Van Halen "Panama"
Rush "Tom Sawyer"
Pearl Jam "Alive"
Jethro Tull "Psalm 49"
Sonic Youth "Teenage Riot"
Pink Floyd "Young Lust"
Rolling Stones "Bitch"
The Beatles "I Want You"
Dylan "Like a Rolling Stone"

Notice no women. Deep down inside I want to DJ a classic rock hour.

― postcockist, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

But surely -- the selections above are merely rock songs -- which does not immediately render them "rockist". A rockist would praise the mix, yes, but the songs themselves aren't necessarily indicative of a rockist agenda.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, stop me if I'm wrong (and I very well may be) but isn't the essence of rockism to denounce and sneer at that which departs from the traditions of conventional rock? (i.e. hip hop, synth pop, disco/dance music, prefab-pop, r'n'b, etc.) Isn't the "rockist" agenda basically to dismiss that which skirts the pillars of the rock faith as being "lesser" or ultimately "meaningless" due to its failure to embrace the basic elements of rock?

"I Want You" by the Beatles, cited above -- just as an example -- is surely a rock song, but there aren't any bold declarations of condemnation towards that which is other. By contrast, "Astley In the Noose" by the Wonder Stuff -- as just another example -- could be accused of being completely rockist (despite the fact that the `Stuff were ultimately a pop band in rock clothing) by condemning Rick Astley's decidedly slick, "urban"-sounding dance music.

Am I barking up the wrong tree here?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

sultans of swing....
They don't give a damn about any trumpet playing band
It ain't what they call rock and roll

its only part of the song, does it count?

― AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, Knopfler's deriding the rockists, but -- strangely -- praising a swing band (in a song that sounds absolutely nothning like swing).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Indeed, he may as well be praising sultans for all we know

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, these particuler sultans.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

the trumpet playing band, i always figured, was a trad/roots rock'n'roll band with a horn section, and the audience are, like, prog or metal or disco or punk fans or whoever. i.e.: he's even more rockist than they are. (and in "money for nothing" his target is little mtv pop "faggots" with earrings and no receding hairlines yet.)

― chuck, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(and in "money for nothing" his target is little mtv pop "faggots" with earrings and no receding hairlines yet.)

That song's protagonist works in an appliance shop. Knopfler overheard the conversation, or so legend has it. Knopfler is singing "in character".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

rockism - I only know it when I see it.

― J (Jay), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex I agree with your outline above except I don't think all rockist songs must be explicit in their condemnation of non-rock. My rockist sublime songs are those I think rockists would be moved by, shake their fists with, get goose pimples from, and hold up as examples of the superiority of rock. (I happen to like those songs too, by the way.)

― postcockist, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"Astley In the Noose" by the Wonder Stuff -- as just another example -- could be accused of being completely rockist (despite the fact that the `Stuff were ultimately a pop band in rock clothing)

Precisely spot on, which is why The Wonder Stuff and PWEI (who quote that title at the beginning of TITDTITHTIT get up my nose, much as I love their tunes. There does seem to be a cruel irony in that every rockist band is dismissed as pop crap by a band even more rockist than they are - imagine Lemmy's opinion of The Wonder Stuff.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

David Bowie

This artist is too gay to be featured on a rockist compilation.

Aerosmith - Sweet Emotion
Led Zeppelin - Kashmir

― Atnevon (Atnevon), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

There does seem to be a cruel irony in that every rockist band is dismissed as pop crap by a band even more rockist than they are - imagine Lemmy's opinion of The Wonder Stuff.

And PJ Harvey's opinion of Lemmy...

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

David Bowie

This artist is too gay to be featured on a rockist compilation.

And Freddie Mercury wasn't? Yet try to tell me that Queen weren't embraced by knuckleheaded rockists. In the same way Elvis fans block out his fat druggy period, rockists mentally block homosexuality (witness also Elton John's status).

Aerosmith - Sweet Emotion
Led Zeppelin - Kashmir

Rock songs, yes. Rockist songs? Not necessarily. Hell, "Kashmir" boasts elements of middle-eastern music. Not very rockist at all, when you think about it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

How many times did Wayne and Garth sing David Bowie?

― Professor Challenger (ex machina), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"Kashmir" boasts elements of middle-eastern music. Not very rockist at all, when you think about it.

on the other hand, the card-carrying rockist would almost definitely have "kashmir" on his ipod, while refusing to explore any actual middle-eastern music. which makes it a hit in the rockist canon.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The only Bowie song I could imagine making it for sure is "Suffragette City." Big riff and that wham bam thank you ma'am. The sci-fi theme in "Space Oddity" might qualify it, and the ubiquity on classic rock radio of "Changes" might tip that. But other than that, Bowie's no Clapton in the rockicist mind.

― postcockist, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Portions of Bowie's catalog are inarguably considered "classic rock" (tune into any classic rock radio station for verification of same), but that doesn't make all of his music accessible to the classic rockist (who probably sticks to the hits and then tuned out completey circa Scary Monsters).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

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