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I've noticed recently that I've had little-to-no desire to listen to or look for new acts and most of the new material I've been excited about has come from established acts. What causes this? Is there a natural point when people stop looking for the newest, greatest thing and settle back on the things that they know make them happy? Can you still consider yourself a music fanatic if you no longer feel the drive to educate yourself on the latest thing and look for the newest trends? Have you been wrapping yourself up in musical "comfort food" or do you still feel the drive to seek out The Next Big Thing?

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:43 (twenty years ago)

the receding influence of peer pressure as you get older... it's nice.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago)

It sure is!

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago)

I guess i have never really been into new for the sake of it, if i hear something I like, i will look for more of it.

lukey (Lukey G), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Ah, my friend, I can sympathize.

If I may share a private note from Chuck Eddy last year that is actually a good statement on this feeling -- he mentioned that in his experience it seems many people, especially those who have been music freaks since teenagerdom or before, hit a bit of a wall around their early thirties, where after some time you then decide, consciously or not, whether to keep on pursuing things or to be content with what you have. I think this is true in many ways, if not necessarily focused on age, and covering not merely music but books, movies, many things.

I've spoken before regarding my disenchantment with always having to keep up with 'the new thing' and how apparently not to do is a sign of having failed somehow -- a sign of self-pressure more than anything else, to be sure, but something which I think is still corrosive and these days reflects the true impossibility OF keeping up with everything.

At this stage, I hear a lot of random new stuff I like, a lot of random new stuff I hate, and ignore quite a bit of other things. It's the simplest approach to a complex situation.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Haha, I was just about to say "Didn't Ned do this last year?" and there Ned is.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Hi Ned!

My Dinner With Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Hello indeed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago)

But it's interesting that the late-20's/early-30's "stagnation" age is, for the first time, running headlong into the downloading age. That is, it's never been easier to hear new music, which means we can keep up with the newer trends while spending a lot less time an effort in doing so. File-sharing has certainly been a counterbalancing effect for me.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:06 (twenty years ago)

It's always in flux. THere are moments when I will fall into a new obsession - Lady Sovereign being a recent one - and then I will fall back on my old records. But the new obsessions are becoming less and less frequent. I don't worry. It's actually nice to revisit old records - whereas in the past I would continually look for sth new.

I also seem to download less than before.

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago)

One difference between Ned's take on this and mine is that (from my perspective) Ned, as someone who has made money off of looking for The Next Big Thing, seemed to take the lull more personally and fear that he was missing out on something fantastic, whereas I'm currently going "WOW I'D FORGOTTEN THAT I LOVE NITZER EBB" and "WOW I'D FORGOTTEN I LOVE THAT DEPECHE MODE SONG" and "WOW THE CURE RULES EVERYTHING" and just not noticing or caring that I'm "missing out".

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago)

That's a fair take! Keep in mind, though, I'm always relistening/rediscovering older stuff -- during my funk, I was listening to Slowdive and Echo in particular like there was no tomorrow.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago)

which means we can keep up with the newer trends ... or not.
I find that broadband and easy access has somehow devalued the seeking process and made it that much more illusory to try to keep up. Having to always listen to new stuff, because "well it's so easy, just download it" is making the whole experience much less enjoyable. I'm staring to miss the days when I could sing along or maybe expect that great guitar part that's just coming up.
Paradoxically, it's easy access that has me going me down the "comfort food" route.

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Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago)

I don't think the seeking process is devalued ... even though I sometimes feel that way too, I'm convinced it's merely the old curmudgeonly me talking.
The internet has made it immensely easier to hear new bands -- the path from hearing about the band to getting information about them to hearing their music is shorter than ever. This stuff was discussed a lot more on Alba's recent "is the internet making music better?" thread.
I personally have no interest in keeping up with trends anymore. If I want to feel part of a community, I go to a gig.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:19 (twenty years ago)

there's also a more-developed-bullshit-detector factor to consider a.k.a. i won't buy that ____ (fill the blank space) album.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago)

I gave up on the Next Big Thing ages ago! I'm all about the same old, same old. I guess I could download, it's just such a hassle.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago)

Barry's point spot on re downloading counter-balancing natural 'stagnation' both personally and arguably in music generally (but i've been saying that for the last three years or so now yet keep getting excited and blown away by stuff all the time - or at least when i can be bothered to download AND listen...)

Senor Embargo (blueski), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago)

OTM, and then you might move and not have DSL available on your street, so you spend all yout time at the library taking out the classics or learning about Vientnamese funk

kephm, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:07 (twenty years ago)

disenchantment with always having to keep up with 'the new thing' and how apparently not to do is a sign of having failed somehow

OT friggin' M. I've finally stopped trying to be a with-it indie rocker over the past couple of years, and giving myself more room to either a) be content with familiar things or b) seek out older material that I didn't hear or appreciate the first time around. I still like the charge I get of hearing some new band blow me away, but I'm utterly relieved to have extricated myself from being a slave to ONLY new stuff.

When I went on my store-credit binge I mentioned in a previous thread, I ended up picking out about one-third new stuff, one-third newly-released CD versions of cherished old recordings, and one-third old stuff I hadn't heard before. I think that's a healthy mix for someone pushing 40.

mike a, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:26 (twenty years ago)

I'm not keeping up, I'm just getting on.

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Plus I've had to be more choosy lately. Having just had a daughter AND started law school, my disposable income has been shaved to almost nothing. The days of buying new CDs every week are over, at least until I become a rich lawyer.

mike a, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 17:29 (twenty years ago)

On a side note:

As someone who's spent an increasing amount of time on songwriting over the years, I've found myself experiencing a similar disinterest in being constantly aware of newly popular music. It might seem overly egotistic to say that I've spent most of my listening time with my own (and my partners') creations, but when I think about the reason I became interested in writing, I realise that it was mostly due to wanting to make up for the lack of "the kind of music i wanted to hear". So the music we make has become our own 'comfort music', but also fills the role of "new and exciting", because we can constantly be the ones to provide that (at least, we've been able to so far!). Its kind of a wacky but nice situation; we get to play the role of the admired and the admirers.

this sounds a bit schizo, but I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced it.

takesyearstofindthenerve (takesyearstofindthenerve), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 19:42 (twenty years ago)

It hit me two years ago that most of the "new" CDs I was buying were actually classic rock, or classic funk & soul. I was out of touch with current house (even though I've loved house since I was about thirteen) and hip-hop (and I'd also been a HUGE hip-hop fan at one point), and I didn't know ANYTHING about new rock (which has usually been my change-of-pace music over the years) . What's more, I didn't really care.

Recently I've had my curiousity re-aroused. I've been buying more CDs, going to more shows, and just starting to plug back into music in general. The MP3 blogs have played a huge part in this.

So my point, if there is one, is that "comfort music" is something I dip in and out of, knowing that it will be there for me when I need it.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:04 (twenty years ago)

I've said before that I stopped being all that interested in the chronologically new a while ago, but still very interested in hearing things I hadn't heard before; but lately I have been getting interested in hearing something more contemporary. Jazztronica! Only, on the new Matthew Shipp CD I keep hearing things that make me say, "That sounds like [blah blah blah]. . . He sounds like he's listening to the electronic music I was listenign to 20 years ago. . ." So anyway, what jesus nathalie said: it's always in flux. For me, so far. I keep hoping that other major things will simply push music out of the way. (But then I'll probably end up missing it.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:14 (twenty years ago)

I've always listened to more old than new. I'm resistant to new things, and I usually figure "I can get around to it later" and "If it's that great, it'll survive until I listen to it down the road."

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:48 (twenty years ago)

For me, it all depends on what you mean by "new" -- i.e. literally new, like just-released (or not-even-released-yet), or just something I haven't heard before. I'm still interested in both, but when I get bored with one, I lean toward the other. If I'm not hearing or finding anything brand-spanking-new that really gets my attention, I circle back to older unexplored terrain. There's a ton of stuff that I maybe have one CD or a few CDs of that I've kind of classified as "for further investigation," and depending on my mood I gravitate toward something: '90s J-pop, '30s country-blues, kwaito, whatever.

I can't really imagine not wanting to hear things I haven't heard before, whether they're actually new or not.

That said, I'm currently listening to If I Should Fall From Grace With God, which I just finally got on CD after having the vinyl for 17 years, and it sounds real good.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:56 (twenty years ago)

and then you might move and not have DSL available on your street, so you spend all yout time at the library taking out the classics or learning about Vientnamese funk

ouch. yes.

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:57 (twenty years ago)

although notions of "participating" vs "consuming" also spring to mind, inasmuch as the drive to the new was always (for me) a part of being somewhere, doing something (a culture, a scene...even if i was just a tourist) whereas the "comfort food" approach is based on memories of just those participations, and the "discovering the classics" on a scholarly or somewhat distanced position.

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:09 (twenty years ago)

"New music" for me means current, either albums released in the last couple years or slightly older albums by bands that are still somewhere in the upper ranges of their popularity. "Old music" doesn't have to be vintage, just stuff that's not completely current.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 7 October 2004 03:13 (twenty years ago)

The old Danny Baker meme "Something bad always happens to music when you turn 26" immediately springs to mind.

But so does the suicide of Ian MacDonald.

I am now 40 and have to admit that the vast majority of music to which I listen for pleasure (as opposed to music I'm paid to listen to/review) comes from the past. I have the increasingly inescapable feeling (and this is an indirect response to the question Matthew Weiner asked me on the "Revolution in the Head" thread) that for me music ended when Laura died. As far as new music is concerned, I am naturally inclined towards music which is melancholy in nature and speaks of past lives and/or renewed life. I have not felt much urge to dance - in any sense of the word - in the last three years.

On KRDTHM I certainly no longer feel any pressure to "keep up" as I have to admit being out of sympathy with much of what constitutes music in 2004.

Yet were Laura still here - and this is the major handicap of my writing/story, that you are not/cannot hear what she has/had to say about all this - we'd certainly still be down Uptown Records, chasing down 12-inch eski white labels. We would have had no problems with Annie, or even Big and Rich. We would still be in the thick of things; Laura - who was a gazillion times hipper, smarter and wiser than me, and also an infinitely better writer - would have revelled in it, even (especially!) if we'd gone on to have a child.

But all that is of course presupposing a false "we." And I am aware that what happened to IMac may one day soon happen to me - that, tired of life, choosing the easy option of "music is finished," this will mean that life, no longer consisting of a series of significant discoveries, will therefore no longer be worth having. So in a sense I have to "keep up" in order to keep alive.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 7 October 2004 07:10 (twenty years ago)

I buy new music all the time, but most of it is OLD. Anything I haven't heard before is new to me. And there's still a lot of old stuff I've never heard. My way of thinking is: Why should I take a chance on that Wilco CD when there's still a lotta old stuff by the Groundhogs and Miles Davis and The Fall and The Kinks that I've never heard?

As I've said dozens of times, it all comes down to an aesthetic preference: To me, 70's music just plain SOUNDS better. Dunno why, but something happened to recording techniques around '81 or so. Too much reverb (or is it delay?), clattery snare drums mixed way too loudly, just a general digital frostiness. If something (literally) new appeals to me, I can overlook all that, but I shouldn't have to.

Finally, I feel vaguely guilty and humbled by knowing fuckall about house/ambient/trip hop or whatever it calls itself, because up till about 1988 I was on top of everything - practically knew it all, or thought I did.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 7 October 2004 08:42 (twenty years ago)

if the whole 'music is finished' thing is that problematic with regards to continuing to live your life i would suggest trying to detach such importance of it in said life, at least in just realising that it's not actually as important as that (did people think such things 150 years ago? i sincerely doubt it) and there are plenty of other things to live for besides music.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:17 (twenty years ago)

Rather difficult if by doing that one is left with the empty shell of one's own hollow being.

What people did or did not think 150 years ago is hardly relevant to this issue. You got hung for stealing a loaf of bread/the Brontes in their tiny feet could walk from Haworth Parsonage to Top Withens every morning before lunch. Perhaps minds 150 years ago were harder in both good and bad ways; who can say?

I'm not sure if I have anything else to live for besides music.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:33 (twenty years ago)

i don't necessarily feel an obsessive need to keep up with current happenings, but i do have a compulsive need to buy new cd's (as in, ones i haven't heard yet, not necessarily records that are particularly relevant at the moment).

i need a regular fix of new music, otherwise i become restless and irritable. i'm never happy with the cd's currently in my collection - i always have dozens lined up for purchase. so yes, i need to hear new music, but that music may not be "new" to everyone else.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:39 (twenty years ago)

i think it is relevant in that it strikes me as useful to compare your predicament in some historical context and alignment in the hope it would offer a better perspective. do classical music fans play 'keep up' as much as pop fans? doesn't seem likely, yet both have a quality that transcends lifetimes and there's more of both than you could ever hear in one lifetime anyway, irrespective of what else may be created. i suppose the '150 years ago' thing reminds me if nothing else that as much as we appreciate. love even, recorded and live music today, we take it for granted just as much (downloading etc.). i'm also fascinated by what people 150 years FROM now will make of these times, and that's the kind of thing that keeps me going amongst all kinds of other things that are removed from music.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:44 (twenty years ago)

i tend to listen to a lot of new music. new to me music. not necessarily NEW music. i'd so much hate to become like my brothers and stop listening to newer music than the ones i already know and love. tho i do tend to ask folk - er, what's THAT like? is so-and-so any good? nad of course trawl through here for things that slipped under the radar. so i try to listen to at least one new thing (to me) a day.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:46 (twenty years ago)

there weren't records 150 years ago.


'do classical music fans play 'keep up' as much as pop fans? doesn't seem likely'

what do you mean by 'keep up' steve? - there are a ton of composers working today, there are lots of shows and performances (though not so much of more contemporary music).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:48 (twenty years ago)

There is always a need for new music. However, since the early-to-mid 80s, there has been no need for new genres, and all genres that have appeared since then the world could have been better off without.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:51 (twenty years ago)

i am well aware of all that Julio. what i mean is that with classical music being as established as it is and so much older than modern pop, how many enthusiasts of it are actively engaging in the same sort of 'game' re searching for exciting, 'innovative' new material, anticipating releases, criticising/dissecting it to such extents as pop (incorporating several post-WW2 genres in this case) is/has been. perhaps it is not so relevant after all but it is a thought.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:53 (twenty years ago)

Geir ought to apply for the vacant post of Music Reviews Editor at U***t. His views would go down well there.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 7 October 2004 09:54 (twenty years ago)

(I read yr question as 'do classical fans today 'keep up' as much as pop fans - the fact that there weren't records or a market or a technology, changes everything)

The audience for classical maybe smaller (especially for post-war classical, which is the type of classical stuff I mostly listen to) the numbers are smaller but there is a dissection (judging from the threads I read on ilx) - I never kept up with release dates on any genre bcz i never buy records on the day of release but I'm on the lookout for composers to listen to and gigs to go to as well.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 7 October 2004 10:03 (twenty years ago)

Music really does keep me going, it has to be said, but at the end of the day, I'm not so much about the new as the undiscovered. I'm so open eared, I can't even bring myself to delete the Russian chamber music off my hard drive.

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Thursday, 7 October 2004 10:06 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
Um why is the on the NEW answers page, it's Nov. 14, 2005.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

WHO NEEDS NEW MUSIC : Daltrey & co. reform

blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

(it got bumped by some spam which has since been deleted.)

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago)


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