Cash Money Records v Rawkus Records

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Which were the most influential/had the best songs? It almost seems like when one part of the hip-hop audience were listening to one lot at the exclusion of the other, and vice versa.

― Pikmin, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Cash Money for a time was the greatest record label in the world and paved the commercial path for lots of great low-budget Southern rap. Rawkus gave the world Talib Kweli.

My perception of Rawkus is tainted by pretty much everything post-Black on Both Sides so it's easy to forget good stuff like about half of Soundbombing 1, "Any Man," and the first six songs from the High & Mighty record.

― adam (adam), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I think both had there moments, but it's pretty clear that history has been MUCH MUCH kinder to Cash Money than Rawkus.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Agreed, but don't forget the awesomeness that is Simon Says.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually that whole record is pretty underrated. What has Mr. Monche done since then?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

One song called "Agent Orange" that was pretty great.

Nothing else.

And I agree, that record is pretty terrific.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

djdee OTM re: "Simon Says", but Cash Money clearly wins this one.

― C0L1N B3CK3TT (Colin Beckett), Thursday, 7 October 2004 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

If "Simon Says" hadn't have come out, Rawkus would still be around today. Discuss.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 7 October 2004 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)

And the best single ever on Rawkus was "Oh No", anyway.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 7 October 2004 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Whoops, forgot Pharoahe Monch. That record is fucking great. 100x better than Organized Konfusion.

― adam (adam), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

A friend of mine is going to do some production work for Cash Money. His favorite bands are Nurse With Wound, Roxy Music, This Heat, Soft Machine, etc. In fact, he hates hip-hop. This ought to be interesting.

― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

They hire weird people. A girl I know used to work at their studio--she was a 250lb white bull dyke. Apparently the Cash Money Millionaires do not eat in a healthy manner.

― adam (adam), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

100x better than Organized Konfusion.

I wouldn't go that far...it does have a dud track or two and, you know, "Stress" is one of the best albums ever.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

pharoah monche is an amazing rapper. plus he has that powerful singing preacher's voice, like on queens, (excusing that dykes on bikes wackyworld image that makes me cringe everytime i hear it (but i love it anyway)), when he shouts DONOVAN, WHY ARE YOU / ON THE CORNER OF LINDEN AND GUY R OO, or something like that. anyone know who did those internal affairs beats? theyre great! disappointed that his second album on rawkus was bad. anyone know what's happening w/his record at priority?

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Kneelin over Donovan's body before he died
Eyes - flutterin up and down in his head
And with his last breath this is what he said
He said, "Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?"
Then I closed his eyes

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:33 (twenty-one years ago)

He said, "Momma listen close I'ma tell you one time
You're killin my high, plus I got a nine
All I be doin is puttin in work
so you can get a brand new dress for church
I know the Devil lurks outside, man it's cold
But I don't wanna get paid slow, and grow old
like poppa - plus I'm on parole I gotta
get paid off the streets, to make ends meet"
With the back of her hand, she smacked him in the face
Walked out of the crib-piece, pissed with no taste
That night, rockin Nikes, eatin Mike'n'Ikes
Slapboxin with a dyke on a bike too small
Thinkin, "This time, next year, mom'll be able to.. ohhh!"
Shit from across the streets, niggaz approach - slow
Well get the metal out, too late, the guns flash
In the melee they wet him like Reggae Sunsplash
Sun dashed with the quickness, back into the ride
with a smile on his face, the picture of pride
Blood comin from his mouth, now I'm at his side

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah thats one of my favorite songs also "Behind Closed Doors" - "behind closed doors we go to war all out..."

"Send his girl multiple finger sandwhiches. If she presses for damages PUT HER IN BANDAGES"

I think thats it i don't have the CD w/ me so I'm doing it from memory and i haven't heard it in awhile.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Pharoahe Monche is like my favorite rapper, except I always forget he exists because he doesn't put out records. Internal Affairs is great, and so are his tunes on Soundbombing II, which I incidentally like much more than the first one.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

He was what was missing from the Prince Po album! Seriously, if it had been anotehr OK album he would have done the choruses and all the songs would have been much better.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

why can't i listen to black on both sides anymore? i thought mos def was good

anyway, cash money winds hands down. penitentiary chances trumps internal affairs easy, and turk's just a second rate hotboy.

ws that em track on soundbombing 2 any good?

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"Any Man" is hot. He shows off his masta ace influence.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i love Organized Konfusion.

has Pharoahe ever released an album after Internal Affairs?

I know Prince Po just put something out but everything I read was kinda "ehh"so i didn't check it out.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't go that far...it does have a dud track or two and, you know, "Stress" is one of the best albums ever.

Prince Po dragged OK way way down. Equinox was the better OK record I think, good songs and a charmingly bad concept.

― adam (adam), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Turk is very talented but was well out of his league with the Hot Boys. If he'd fallen in with Master P he would have easily been the best MC on No Limit.

― adam (adam), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

There are some good tracks on the Prince Po album, if you like Madlib and Dangermouse check it out. Its not gonna be one of my favorite albums of the year or something but its dece. Richard X also does a track.

xp: I think Prince Po is great! He and Pharoahe play off each other perfectly. I like Stress the most bcuz of "Why" and "Stray Bullet" and the title track and "Let's Organize" (related topic: O.C. is underrated) and because Pharaohe and Po bounce off each other so perfectly.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

rawkus did release the big picture. how'd those whiteboys get ahold of a street rapper's posthumous shit? that's crazy. rawkus gets no credit for the big picture in this discussion, which autotrumps them. SORRY RAWKUS!

monche's other album is- no, discogs says there wasnt one. mst have been a mixtape. seems he's signed to MCA and has a new track called agent orange: http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/mcarecords/pharoahe_monch/live/pharoah_mayor56.asx

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Its especially weird bcuz Lifestyles was on columbia...did they drop him before he died? How did Rawkus get the rights?

Word is Pharaohe is working with Eminem. I'm scurred.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

If he'd fallen in with Master P he would have easily been the best MC on No Limit.

Turk is not better than Soulja Slim.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

i saw pharoahe monch in london a few weeks ago, the show was great but the new stuff didn't sound too hot (i don't like Agent Orange much, anyway).

― pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I really should look at No Limit again, I ahven't listened to that stuff since high school.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

i've never heard organized konfusion, bt prince po & pharoahe monche were members i gather. were they really pop in like the early 90s or something (ie = to kmd)

adam, you can't be serious. juve is obv better than turk, and i think lil wayne's album's going to be better than turks even tho i havent heard it yet. bg was friends with slim, and that's what really counts. i do love turk more than any other hot boy though

turk vs soulja slim is a tight competition. they have similar styles, moreso than turk w/the rest of the hb's

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Organized Konfusion were grittier than KMD. Darker too. Check out Stress: The Extinction Agenda specifically the songs that I mentioned upthread. I love that album a whole bunch.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i heard a word abt that aftermath-monche deal, too. he'd kind of fit in w/busta & eve

grittier than kmd?? impossible. i'll slsk it after school

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Well grittier than Mr. Hood.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Pharoah Monche's "The Light" just came up on my random play. I love that song.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

The Roni Size remix of 'Simon Says' is great.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish i could quote some pen chances lyrics, but they aren't online. he has such a beautiful dark makaveli influence, with that slim melodic razor edge in his voice. heroin is a powerful drug!

i've never actually heard a kmd album bt once. maybe it was a comp or something, but it sounded lowfi like that one early el-p album. i feel like a shld like that shit, but i don't know why, and i can't really listen to it. mos def sounds more and more like that to me.

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

juve has that same edge in his voice, but it's rounded, and he can act his pleasant guy persona so well. i guess i'm bringing up "after cash money" or whatever, bt i was like 12 when cash money was out, and i listened to like dr octagon :(

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

the light is amazing! who did that beat? i read somewhere that monche produced himself (credit for queens, simon says, etc) but the light is an unbelievable track

― peter $.., Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

RONI SIZE remix!!! What's this on?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Stress is a real hip hop masterpiece IMO....seriously love that record.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It's one of the few hip hop records where I like how they use jazz samples. It's definitely one of my favorite records.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

RONI SIZE remix!!! What's this on?

I think there was a single for it on Rawkus, but I just downloaded it ages ago.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

It's one of the few hip hop records where I like how they use jazz samples

What are you comparing it to exactly?

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

All the other records where "jazziness" bores the fuck out of me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah you don't like gang starr do you? Loser.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

:-)

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha actually there is a lot of Gangstarr, I'm not particularly fond of, but I don't know if that's really related to the jazziness of it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

adam, you can't be serious. juve is obv better than turk, and i think lil wayne's album's going to be better than turks even tho i havent heard it yet.

I think BG and Lil Wayne are obv better than Turk--Lil Wayne because he's just fantastically flexible and really good with inflection and... pretty much just because he's great (though The Carter isn't as good as I wanted it to be). BG's got that kind of droney insistence, stoned serial killer dispassionate. Think about "Uptown Thang"--"as I proceed to hit the motherfucking weed" etc. His voice and Mannie's beats complemented each other well--laidback and taut vs hyperactive and taut.

― adam (adam), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

And Gang Starr suxxx except for "Work."

― adam (adam), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I always felt weird about ppl talking about "jazz-rap" bcuz in concept its really corny and obv. Us3 is hokey. But I never felt like Tribe (for instance) was self-consciously going after some sort of jazz legitimacy or something. Maybe its just bcuz I was so young when I heard those groups and I didn't differentiate between kriss kross and "Mass Appeal" and "Electric Relaxation" and "Passing Me By" and Snoop when I heard them on the radio - it was all hip-hop and I loved all of it. Now I read all these critical descriptions of the era and I wonder how many people actually considered these groups "jazz rap" and how much of that was critical speak coming from rock perspectives trying to divide the music in ways that don't really make sense.

adam - "Go DJ" is a hot single, what do you think of it?
Also "Hard to Earn" is up with "Stress" as one of my favorite albums of the period and I don't get the hate for them. I guess a lot of people just don't like Guru. I like his voice.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"Go DJ" is very good indeed. There are a couple songs on The Carter that make me think perhaps Mannie is on his way back but there are too many others that are either Jazze Phizzle Producshizzles or sound like JPP. Though that Field Mob single he did was awesome.

― adam (adam), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there's a definite difference though between hip-hop groups who mine old jazz records for samples and hip-hop groups that consider themselves "jazz-rap".

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Guru's voice, I just don't like his rapping.

And I was just thinking that "cantaloop" needed to get some shine in the wtf 90s poll.

― Symplistic (shmuel), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Jazze Phe is really inconsistent. His stuff can come off so light and cheesy (that T.I. single, the Murphy Lee single) or really really REALLY great ("Dro in Da Wind," "Sick of being lonely")

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, October 7, 2004 12:12 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dom wtf ever happened with this!!?!@

― and what, Friday, 17 October 2008 15:54 (seventeen years ago)

ha, sounds like nothing

― Jordan, Friday, 17 October 2008 15:57 (seventeen years ago)

Cash Money=Al Sharpton.Rawkus=Barack Obama.

― NewBeefLover, Friday, 17 October 2008 16:08 (seventeen years ago)

four years pass...

http://www.fuse.tv/2013/02/aziatix-signs-with-cash-money-records-for-a-lot-of-money

11.3 million, jeez

― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 13:35 (thirteen years ago)

http://youtu.be/B2PyVrlUM5E

― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 13:35 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2PyVrlUM5E

― 乒乓, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 13:35 (thirteen years ago)

so into this. Korean pop is bigger-canvas in sound than the Thai pop that's my favorite stuff but it's still got that emotional trance feel that just gets me. can't really ride for the rapping Aziatix dude tho

― available for sporting events (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 13:54 (thirteen years ago)

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