TS: deltron vs dr octagon

*decently well held-together narrative throughout album (except for the Money Mark as an old man interlude WTF)
*the beats are more monstrous, larger in scope & ambition
*no "Half-Shark-Alligator, Half-Man"
*KID KOALA

In favor of Octagonocologyst:

*samples of females' moaning orgasms
*one of the greatest ratios of good Keith moments to not-so-good ones on any of his full-lengths
*as held together thematically as Deltron is narrativewise

I actually think I like Deltron better than the Oc one. I can listen to it more often and not feel creepy, at least.

I think "Girl Let Me Touch You" is one of my favorite songs of the 90s.

I don't like "HSAHM". I don't know why. "Girl Let Me Touch You", now I'm right there with you. I remember the first time I saw a Keith show, him and his dudes pulled up like ten hot girls out of the audience right before they did it onto the stage, whose pelvises they did grind heartily. There was this one white girl with glasses who looked not amused ha ha.

what if we add handsome boy modeling school into this mix? hmm?

I pick Deltron for managing to age better. The title track is a monster. It loses points for mixing Kid Koala too low and Dr Oc's 'No Awareness', title track (thank you, Kutmasta Kurt) and guest MCing from Sir Menelik/Chewbacca Uncircumsised/Scaramanga give it some clout. But Deltron has better overall shit from Automator and Del, while not nearly as funny/pervy as Keith, is more charismatic.

The real shame is that The Good, The Bad and The Ugly never got off the gorund, outside of that wonderful Eels song.

That's true. I meant like I was a stupid indie kid and it took me a while to work past my distaste for "mainstream" stuff while I listened to Automator or whatever. I didn't get into Biggie until 1999!!!

"I'm Destructive" wins the argument for DocOc, quite easily

Think about it, if you was there standing looking at me
What would you do, if I hit your face with dog doodoo?
Smear purple flies on your forehead
Spit in your salad, vomit on your brother's breakfast
Take your ass outside, burn your mother's house
Bring pet mice, and scare your sister with my gray mouse
Then drop him under the bed, and leave him there dead
Take out your parakeet, with scissors, clip his head
Then get the charcoal, whassup, burn your dog's legs
Walk by the barbershop, and hit the glass with eggs
Then go in the club and dance, mix the alcohol
Great with roach spray, here's a drink, have a ball
Dance to the music, watch it party pooper
Yeah, you know...
I'm destructive
Bash in your head with ten full cans of Campbell's soup
I'm on the roof, I'm not another pigeon out the chicken coop
Stole your checks, and flush money down the toilet bowl
Look at the frog, he's gone too down the commode
War paint on the carpet, your fur was my target
Give the baby some gum, a pack of BubbleYum
Stick it in the rugs, smearing green lightning bugs
all around the walls, down the halls
Checking out doodoo on flame pits, niggaz with they armpits
down, smellin funky, check out the junkie, spit
I'm destructive!!
Like a green red blue reindeer, dead lying down with a fawn
Copulating, having sex
Mating with a babboon with buffalo wings
Hahahahaha
Like Hitler, the German Shephard, coming down from the Bronx
fighting moose you sound as soft as a goose
We all hang with tickets for Van Halen
Orifice, Autopsy, Def Leppard and Spaz
C'mon, drop the jazz Grateful Dead, rock with it
I'm destructive!!!

Wikipedia sez: "According to Kid Koala's website, from May 2006, he has finished the turntable portions of the second Deltron 3030 installment. [1]
In the latest Hierocast, Hieroglyphics' official podcast, Del confirmed that not only were the turntable portions done, but the beats as well, and he has yet to record the vocals.
Dan the Automator stated that the recording of the new album would probably be done by December 2006, and that it would come out some time in 2007."

Anyone know anything about this, or care?

I'm interested, but at the same time, I know they didn't take like 7 years to make the first one and I kinda believe in making records quickly as an article of faith

Apparently Deltron's been reissued. I had no idea it was even out of print! According to the Amazon review (..er, so it must be true..!) original copies have been going for $50+ on eBay.

As a studenty britpop fuxxor, I really loved this record when it came out, especially 3030.

3030 is an amazing track and adored by pretty much any corny indie fuxxor i've ever played it to.

positive contact is my favorite off deltron 3030 though i've never really listened to the whole thing.

3030 is an amazing track and adored by pretty much any corny indie fuxxor i've ever played it to.

― dog latin, Monday, 6 October 2008 14:49 (1 year ago)

guilty as fucking charged. sb me

i already did.

well aren't you a gentleman of discernment and austerity

maybe if you tried not being such a colossal fucking snob people would say nice things about you, not that you clearly care. tiarnan has said nice things about you to me IRL actually - but there's no need to be such a twat

forget me, I am drunk and going to bed now

"3030" is otherwise cool, but man do the drums on it sound weak and tinny. I don't understand how any proper hip-hop producer could come up with a drum sound like that.

Just to make it clear, by "3030" I meant the opening track, not the whole album, which has its moments, but is wildly uneven. If only "3030" had better drums, it would seriously compete for the title of best undie rap tune of all time.

sorry acoleuthic, there was no call for me to write that.

"3030" would place high on an alternatvie 2000-2004 poll. The rest of it is a bit cringey (but not terrible). I haven't been able to listen to Del for about 8 years.

there's a new deltron3030. don't even know if i can listen to this it's just weird to me for some reason.

saw the Automator play an "all-Deltron DJ set" at the Hiero block party, which turned out to mostly be him playing new stuff off his phone and scratching a little over the top

and heard a few on the radio in the last few days

sounds like Deltron tbh

listened for like 10 minutes maybe i'll try again another time

I was surprised by how much I liked it. I guess it's been long enough since Automator's peak that his sound feels fresh again, even though it hasn't actually changed one bit.

Probably the best sequel to one of his projects, though, better than the second HBMS album or the dismal Dr. Octagon follow-up

yeah this isnt bad.. except these david cross skits

Almost all Automator skits are terrible, though. That's just part of the package. It's like the guy really, really likes the idea of humor, but has no idea what makes it good. He probably owns likes three seasons of MadTV on DVD

or he's too nice to tell his friends their 'contributions' to this album blow

Was just listening to the first Deltron album. Right at the beginning of Things You Can Do, he declares, "3030, way past the millennium!" And I was like, wait, 3030 is not well past the millennium. And then I realized, the album came out in 2000, so he must have been in a future mindset, but of course 3030 is only 30 years past the *next* millennium, which maybe he didn't even consider?

yeah i think in 2000 a lot of people thought a millennium was 2000 years

I think "Girl Let Me Touch You" is one of my favorite songs of the 90s.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, October 7, 2004 12:49 PM (sixteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

theres a lot of good new kool keith music

I listened to Deltron 3030 a ton, Dr Octagon only once or twice.

the only lyric I remember from Deltron is "Never let a computer tell me shit!". but I dug it a bunch.

naturally this was before I dove into his solo career from the 90s like No Need for Alarm which fuckin' rules.

yeah i think in 2000 a lot of people thought a millennium was 2000 years

Really? I think it just became shorthand for "the turn of the millennium", i.e. the year 2000. I don't think people literally thought a millennium was 2000 years long... at least in my experience.

del tha funkee homosapien is chillin confused about the length of time in a millennium

it was ofc used as shorthand for 'turn of the millennium, which is the year 2000', which context would also make del's line make sense, but idk i also do remember hearing ppl at that time who literally thought a millennium was 2000 years (i assumed just from hearing 'millennium' and '2000' associated together a lot and not having previously thought about millennia very much, which is not a unit of measurement that comes up in conversation very often.) along with the passionate arguments about 2000 vs 2001 being the 'real' turn of the millennium, it was a very exciting and dynamic time for counting in the USA

Fuck Earth, I want to live on Mars so I'm closer to the stars

so Del wants to go farther away from the closest star....

Reed Richards looking at the Thing's naked pictures...

Doc Octagon is one of those rare few hiphop CDs, I listened to bunches.

got tickets to see them perform 3030 in October in NYC mostly because i saw them perform the album when it released 25 years ago at House of Blues in Hollywood.

just realizing that two people in our friend group that went that night are no longer alive