the necks - nummy num krautjazz goodness, or frothy australian piffle?

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an unqualified classic, in my book.

piano-bass-drums. looooooooooong songs. 30-70 mins. rhythms owing much more to can or neu! than art blakey. (yet still hovering *just* this side of jazz.) jazz-minimalism? (if such a thing exists.) their "sex" is one of the greatest christmas-y records i know (like an idiot i left it off my "top 50 of the 90s" list), winter in a bottle, with an almost imperceptibly shifting rhythmic bed weaving for almost an hour with the most heartbreaking sprinkles of piano precipitation atop. winter in a bottle. "aquatic" and "hanging gardens" sound like autumnal answers to "future days" with it's trade winds and sea spray.

jess, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

neu! answers. (har har.)

jess, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You like that "winter in a bottle" phrase. "Num num" cannot be applied to krautjazz however good it is. I have to hear something by these people I think.

Tom, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You like that "winter in a bottle" phrase.

go to hell.

"Num num" cannot be applied to krautjazz however good it is.

and why not?

jess, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Necks are good to play while cleaning the house. Play it loud, so it pervades all the rooms. You'll lose track of time.

Gage-o, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'Piano Bass Drums' is one of my all time favourite records. I'm constantly amazed at the differences found when you sample the track at various intervals. But the changes are so slow and fluid in real time that they're impossible to discern. And, to top it off, it's completely improvised which makes it even more mind boggling. Seeing them live can be of a chance thing. Like most improv it all depends on their level of commitment and inventiveness at the time. I saw 2 pieces this year which were mostly uninspiring due to the piano player's seeming uninterest in proceedings. Their latest cd - 'Aether' - is a bit less involving than previous releases as it consists of a variety of chords hit hard and then let to die out (I know there's a proper musical term for this). I'm not too keen on the chords themselves which doesn't help matters but it does get more fluid about 20 minutes in. So, for me, total classic.

philT, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've heard Aquatic, which I rather enjoyed and which somewhat reminded me of In a Silent Way, and part of Silent Night, which didn't grab me and which at first listen seemed to have much less appealing production than Aquatic. Definitely good music-to-listen-to-while-you're-doing-something-else music (and that isn't intended as a negative value judgment btw).

Phil, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Holy shit, I like them. I had heard abou them before but on seeing this thread today I went looking at the store and lucked on a used copy of 'Sex'. Jess's "christmas-y" confuses me a bit, but it's still fascinating to listen to. I think you might well like it, Tom. At first I thought that it sounded a little too new-agey, sort of, but the fact that it's done "the same thing" (not really) for half an hour straight so far has eliminated my initial (v. slight) qualms.

Oh, and I don't see why one would have to be doing much else while listening. I can use this just like I use all my other music.

Josh, Thursday, 13 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i think the "christmas-y" thing arises from the fact that "sex" reminds me of nothing so much as an avant garde version of vince guarldi's soundtrack to "a charlie brown xmas."

(i have now just ruined this cd for josh.)

jess, Thursday, 13 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pigfucker.

Josh, Thursday, 13 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

think of this as a chance to see if yr peanuts-hate can be overriden.

jess, Thursday, 13 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...
this cd is way better than peanuts.

Josh, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But that still means your hate is intact, so I cry.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

not necessarily so. but contingently so! HAHAHA.

Josh, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Outdone by the forces of logic again! *weeps*

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 19 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

coming to Los Angeles (REDCAT) in February what what

admrl, Thursday, 1 January 2009 01:26 (sixteen years ago)

Happy new year?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 January 2009 01:30 (sixteen years ago)

i fucking hope so, ned

admrl, Thursday, 1 January 2009 03:37 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

Playing on Brian Turner's show on WFMU in a couple of hours.

Tony Buck really kicked out the fucking jams during their piece in Knoxville Saturday night.

WmC, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 17:52 (sixteen years ago)

wtf this just ended?

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 20:01 (sixteen years ago)

No, BT's show just started 15 minutes ago. I don't know exactly where the Necks performance is going to place within the 3-hour show.

WmC, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 20:16 (sixteen years ago)

starting now

WmC, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 21:06 (sixteen years ago)

yes! thanks for the tip

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 21:12 (sixteen years ago)

coooool, this is sounding great.

tylerw, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 21:16 (sixteen years ago)

that was fucking awesome to put it mildly. I hope I can catch them live in May

sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 22:12 (sixteen years ago)

yeah that was very good

tylerw, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 22:14 (sixteen years ago)

going to see them tonight at le poisson rouge.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 10 February 2009 22:28 (sixteen years ago)

(also interested to check out poisson rouge, haven't been there yet.)

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 10 February 2009 22:28 (sixteen years ago)

jealous

tylerw, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 22:31 (sixteen years ago)

I saw stars of the lid there. the venue is, uh, ugly... but the place has plenty of seats and its pretty cozy. nice atmosphere for a sotl show. would go back.

wanted to go to the necks show tonight but I'm sick. :-/

original bgm, Tuesday, 10 February 2009 22:37 (sixteen years ago)

I just came back from their SF show-- a friend described the effect as a "time warp"-- I agreed, but still kind of felt a bit let down for reasons I can't put my finger on. It was as if they began playing a song that they never had any intention of finishing... an hour's tour of the intros to half a dozen tunes. I think it didn't help that I had most recently listened to "Drive By" and somehow thought that they would play that sort of material.
I was impressed by their ability to sound like more than 3 people. The music did sort of wash over you, and as an experience was interesting overall.

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 21 February 2009 07:18 (sixteen years ago)

Heard the Boston show- it was one of the best things I've heard in years. Very much in the vein of "Aether." Everyone I went with was blown away. Good enough to inspire me to write on the internet.

skordalia, Saturday, 21 February 2009 14:30 (sixteen years ago)

i liked the nyc show, but i wanted it to go on a little longer. i felt like they really only hit their peak about 10-15 minutes before the end. i didn't mind how long it took to get there -- there was a lot of good stuff in the opening 30-45 minutes -- but if they'd sustained it for another 10 minutes or so it could have been mind-blowing instead of just pretty cool.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 21 February 2009 15:27 (sixteen years ago)

anybody record that WFMU performance?

tylerw, Saturday, 21 February 2009 15:43 (sixteen years ago)

No need, it's archived.

WmC, Saturday, 21 February 2009 16:00 (sixteen years ago)

four months pass...

so, i had forgotten about this band until they were brought up in the Terre Thaemlitz/DJ Sprinkles thread, oddly enough...and i've been listening to 'Drive-By' just about every day since then.

should i get Hanging Gardens next? what say you, necks fanatics.?

gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Sunday, 19 July 2009 19:15 (sixteen years ago)

Go for Chemist if you liked Drive By

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 19 July 2009 20:19 (sixteen years ago)

You can't go wrong with any of them, but I'd recommend Hanging Gardens if you liked Drive-By.

henry s, Sunday, 19 July 2009 20:46 (sixteen years ago)

Drive By is pretty awesome iirc thank you to that thread

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Sunday, 19 July 2009 20:55 (sixteen years ago)

Drive-by is head and shoulders above most of their other stuff, imo. Their masterpiece. And i really like most of the other stuff.

The next best is Aether but that's totally different

ryan, Sunday, 19 July 2009 20:57 (sixteen years ago)

five months pass...

new alb out i understand. how is it?

sonderangerbot, Monday, 4 January 2010 20:21 (fifteen years ago)

Guitarish by all accounts. Curious to hear it.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Monday, 4 January 2010 21:06 (fifteen years ago)

love this band but this is one of the most uncomfortable thread titles of all time tbh

what u think i steen for to push a crawfish? (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 4 January 2010 22:28 (fifteen years ago)

Guitarish by all accounts. Curious to hear it.

now i really want to hear it.

nerve_pylon, Monday, 4 January 2010 22:40 (fifteen years ago)

http://mapsadaisical.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/the-necks-silverwater-rer/

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Monday, 4 January 2010 22:48 (fifteen years ago)

A little guitar drops in just before 30 minutes in. Very odd to hear. Otherwise it sounds like The Necks. Strange insect percussion rattles. Double bass groove. Amazing drum textures. Big drum patterns that swallow everything else. Awesome fucking band.

exploding angel vagina (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 19:50 (fifteen years ago)

Still curious, but man I was hoping it was acoustic guitar.

ogmor, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:54 (fifteen years ago)

looking forward to hearing this

an american hippie in israel (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 20:56 (fifteen years ago)

Anyone seen their current tour? Is it worth driving 2h (possibly/probably) by myself?

Sundar, Thursday, 21 January 2010 05:12 (fifteen years ago)

four months pass...

What other music in the world is anything like "Aether"?

admrl, Sunday, 20 June 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)

Not really, that I know of; bits of The Necks sound a bit like other artists (Aether sounds a bit like Stars of the Lid, as mentioned above), and bits of other artists sound like The Necks (In A Silent Way by Miles Davis, Future Days by CAN, bits of Beak maybe). A couple of bits of the Swans album almost (but other bits REALLY NOT). Some Tortoise. You might get a similar vibe off some Neu. There might be lots of minimal jazz acts out there that I don't know of, I suppose.

I'd suggest just getting as many Necks albums as you can; I've got about eight now, I think.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 11:55 (thirteen years ago)

Bits of Boredoms, maybe.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 11:56 (thirteen years ago)

strange place for snow - est
changing places - tord gustavsen trio
6 - supersilent

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:04 (thirteen years ago)

I thought baout mentioning est but I feel like they were more 'straight jazz' than Ronan's probably after. Ditto the likes of Polar Bear.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:21 (thirteen years ago)

yeah I've been looking for something that sounds like "Drive-by" forever.

ryan, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 12:57 (thirteen years ago)

Chemist and Hanging Gardens might be your best bets.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 13:26 (thirteen years ago)

yeah i guess miles davis is the only other thing i listen to that is like the necks. i don't mind actual jazz suggestions, but am also curious about people inhabiting the weird space that the necks do.

will check out some of the above recs.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 13:29 (thirteen years ago)

Very pissed i missed the gig at VU the other day, was flattened from FN6. Supersilent are the band i listen to in this vein the most, theyre playing with john paul jones soon which should be awesome. In a more classical direction the arpeggios in the piano work always reminds me of hans otte

straightola, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 15:40 (thirteen years ago)

yeah really annoyed also... i just couldn't afford it, i should have bought a ticket before being stuck into diploma down-payments.

they prob will be back tho.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 15:45 (thirteen years ago)

Loooooooove these guys, collecting everything, and since I am in the NW USA I will most likely never see them *sob*

Brakhage, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 19:32 (thirteen years ago)

>are there other bands that sound like these guys?

Talk Talk's Laughing Stock sounds like a starting point for a lot of Necks stuff. If you took passages from LS and stretched them out for 20 minutes you might end up with "Chemist", or "Drive-by" if you kept stretching

bham, Thursday, 27 September 2012 12:14 (thirteen years ago)

it's not often mentioned along with their best, but "Silverwater" is maybe my second favorite after "Drive-by"

ryan, Thursday, 27 September 2012 15:56 (thirteen years ago)

I think Silverwater and Mindset are absolutely the best!! After that comes the 4 disc live box! And then probably Aether and Drive By. I especially love how Buck has been using more and more interesting percussion effects nowadays. Some recent live things I have downloaded/ripped show them continuing along these lines and I couldn't be more pleased.

I know of no one who sounds similar apart from the aforementioned Miles album In A Silent Way and perhaps the Circle album Tower.

liam fennell, Thursday, 27 September 2012 18:11 (thirteen years ago)

man, can we get this thread title changed. love the necks, hate the title.

tylerw, Thursday, 27 September 2012 18:18 (thirteen years ago)

maybe some matthew shipp stuff?

this live tortoise bootleg i have?

farte blanche (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 27 September 2012 18:29 (thirteen years ago)

i haven't listend to Mindset very much! gonna pull that one out again.

ryan, Thursday, 27 September 2012 22:39 (thirteen years ago)

Portico Quartet are rather Necksy. (Necksesque?)

bham, Friday, 28 September 2012 08:27 (thirteen years ago)

So glad this thread popped up, listened to townsville this morning on the way to work and it blew the hangover clean out of me. They are playing here a couple of times a year these days so I live in hope. There really should be more bands like these guys, I would be one of them if i had the chops

straightola, Friday, 28 September 2012 09:29 (thirteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Yeah, will cosign with Portico Quartet and strongly recommend the current album (eponymous, I think) to Ronan.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 22 October 2012 12:22 (twelve years ago)

strange place for snow - est

Thank you for this. Where has this record been all my life??

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 22 October 2012 14:12 (twelve years ago)

Oh man if you like that run out for Tuesday Wonderland.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 22 October 2012 14:14 (twelve years ago)

On it. Thanks! I think I may have to become an EST completist...

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 22 October 2012 14:48 (twelve years ago)

Easily done, sadly - the main guy died a few years ago, when he was still only in his 40s.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 22 October 2012 15:21 (twelve years ago)

That sucks. Such beautiful music.

How do you rate Somewhere Else Before? That one's super cheap on Amazon...

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 22 October 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago)

Holy shit. Finally gave "Townsville" an attentive listen. Those last ten minutes are sublime.

ryan, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 00:00 (twelve years ago)

Wiki tells me somewhere else before is a compilation. Afraid I don't know it. Know falling, snow, and wonderland best - all very good.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 10:34 (twelve years ago)

one month passes...

Sex is one of the greatest longform grooves in any genre ever

A fat, shit, jittery fraud of a messageboard poster (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 December 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago)

Yes

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 14 December 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago)

hell yes- the first album I heard by them and still the best imo

WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 15 December 2012 01:02 (twelve years ago)

I've never heard Sex.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 15 December 2012 08:35 (twelve years ago)

Sex (not, uh, sex) has never done much for me. it's pleasant but it never gets into that really sublime "zone" that The Necks seem to achieve in their best stuff. it just kinda goes along.

ryan, Saturday, 15 December 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago)

Piano, Bass, Drums seems to go for something similar and seems better to me.

ryan, Saturday, 15 December 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago)

I've heard PBD, albeit years ago, and it was pretty awesome.

comedy is unnatural and abhorrent (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 15 December 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago)

i sort of despair at most likely never getting to see these guys live.

ryan, Saturday, 15 December 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago)

seven months pass...

just saw that they're playing a 3 day residency at cafe oto in november

just sayin, Thursday, 25 July 2013 07:41 (twelve years ago)

Sex (not, uh, sex) has never done much for me. it's pleasant but it never gets into that really sublime "zone" that The Necks seem to achieve in their best stuff. it just kinda goes along.

I had similar thoughts when I first heard it, in comparison to Hanging Garden, Drive By and PBD it sounded more unvaried and maybe too polite. Since then I have grown to love this baby, it really swings in a Necks type manner when it gets going and familiarity makes you want to keep coming back. No crap sex puns intended.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Thursday, 25 July 2013 20:08 (twelve years ago)

whatta tease - thought this was revived due to news of a new album

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Thursday, 25 July 2013 21:37 (twelve years ago)

That's what happens when you answer 7 month old posts on The Necks!

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Thursday, 25 July 2013 22:33 (twelve years ago)

News of a new album:

The Necks announce one track album, Open

Professor Respect, Thursday, 25 July 2013 22:50 (twelve years ago)

Excellent news. Thanks Prof.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Thursday, 25 July 2013 22:56 (twelve years ago)

Can they really not get a US label to license these albums by now?

Still psyched for news of a new one though - thanks!

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Thursday, 25 July 2013 23:09 (twelve years ago)

*googles "cafe oto"*

sigh. at least there's the new album to look forward to. single track 1 hour Necks albums are the best.

Plasmon, Friday, 26 July 2013 17:23 (twelve years ago)

nine months pass...

If I love the Necks, I should like Dawn of Midi, right? They're playing here in a month. Anyone seen the both of them live?

etc, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 00:27 (eleven years ago)

Both great live, don't miss that

grindie cindy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 01:08 (eleven years ago)

eleven months pass...

I saw these guys at The Village Underground having never knowingly heard a note before in my life and after being astonished by the number of 50s-ish men in the audience wearing soft tweed jackets and nice scarves I buckled in and definitely felt like I was on some sort of drug stronger than the two cans of beer that were in me. On my way out I saw the merch table and was genuinely surprised to see CDs for sale as it genuinely didn't occur to me that there would be a point in recording their music because when you played it back it would be the same each time, frozen, which is kind of the opposite of what they do.

In some ways it feels like "outsider art" - despite some resemblance to other "jammy" or motorik or noise bands it doesn't really plug into any traditions of avant-garde music that I know of (I'm probably wrong about this, though)

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 25 April 2015 21:21 (ten years ago)

The fact that they titled one of their CDs "sex" is hilarious and totally apposite

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 25 April 2015 21:22 (ten years ago)

Though maybe "porn" would be a better title for something that freezes in documentary form a performance that's improvisational as a foundational principle

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 25 April 2015 21:24 (ten years ago)

Sex is an all time great and your barren musings mean fuck all to me pal.

xelab, Saturday, 25 April 2015 21:38 (ten years ago)

Thinking the band is great in the moment and having the opinion that the recordings might not capture that doesn't seem barren to me. The band is still great and the Sex LP is still great regardless.

Brakhage, Saturday, 25 April 2015 22:28 (ten years ago)

seven years pass...

It seems pointless to start a thread for Dawn of Midi since the album is eight years old and they're not an active group, but I've been listening to Dysnomia on repeat lately.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 25 January 2023 20:07 (two years ago)


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