Tim Hecker -- Mirages

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I got this last week (although it's been out for a couple of months). Has anyone else heard it?
It's the usual genius from Hecker. Compared to "Radio Amor", it feels ... elongated ... with longer stretches between the quiet and loud parts, as well as a darker and more claustrophobic feel overall.
This was also my excuse to start a thread about Hecker, who doesn't have his own ILM thread yet.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Although they're not that similar, I can't resist:
Tim Hecker (Mille Plateaux, Alien8) >> Florian Hecker (Mego)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

"Haunt Me, Haunt Me, Do It Again" is one of my favorite records of the last five years.

mrjosh (mrjosh), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

isn't tim hecker responsible for the jetone album on force tracks? i really like that, but i've never heard the stuff he does under his own name. what's the one to start with?

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I've only heard select Jetone tracks, but not the album (which was indeed on Force Tracks, or Force Inc, I forget which).
Jetone is nothing like the stuff under his own name. Fans of Fennesz will certainly like the Tim Hecker material. You could start with any of his three albums, although for a more extreme, ear-bleeding experience, get the ep "My Love Is Rotten to the Core" (my personal favourite).

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I luv Radio Amour. Seems more "melodic" than the Fennesz stuff. I have the jetone album and its good but for me pales in contrast to the Hecker material.

hector (hector), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, Fennesz is often abrasive, and tends to blare over top of the melody (these are compliments, btw). Whereas Hecker's blares usually are the melodies.
When I listen to Hecker I have the overwhelming urge to lie down and stare at the stars, which is a feeling I don't get from Fennesz.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i like it! my review is in the oct issue of the wire, if you're interested

geeta (geeta), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yea I agree with the urge to lay down and look at the stars. Fennesz is in general more cerebral, while Hecker is more etheral.

Still havent heard this album but am definatly looking forward to it.

hector (hector), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

My Love Is Rotten to the Core is cool, mostly for the first track. The use of "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love" is brilliant actually -> it's like he takes the Dionysian/destructive tropes of mainstream rock/metal to another level by building the riff into a pillar of noise. I don't know if I'm saying it right. What I mean is the track still preserves the aesthetic of the rock hero guitar solo. I don't know his other releases as such but I used to see him play in Montreal 2001-2002 I guess. It was always solid and nice to listen to, and he always seemed an absolutely capital fellow, but I didn't totally get why some people went crazy for it. Still, we've both changed since then and I'm looking forward to hearing this release.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I just noticed that Stylus reivewed "Mirages" this past week:
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=2394

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you in the UK, if so where did you get it from, I've been struggling to find it since it came out - The usual suspects (Smallfish, Rough Trade, Selectadisk) don't have it in stock yet (as of Monday, the last time I checked).
I think they're distributed by Cargo??

actionjackson, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 09:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I live in Canada, and Alien8 is a Montreal label, so it's not hard to find around here. It may be cheapest (if you live in North America) to straight from the label.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

he always seemed an absolutely capital fellow

he is!! great really nice really smart guy

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
OK, I got this. I listened to it once. I was excited to see that Oren Ambarchi is on one track! (Also David Bryant - who I can only assume isn't the keyboardist from Bon Jovi - guests on a track too.) Except on first listen, it really sounds like the tracks with the guest guitarists are far and away the best ones. I can see how it's the kind of thing that might need time to get into but it puzzles me the way that much of his other work does. A lot of it just sounds to me like tape hiss and muffled medium-low-end beating, sounds I always struggled against when I couldn't afford better equipment! (And I know TH works with decent stuff.) I'm practically a hardcore lo-fi garage-ist by EA standards but I don't know that it really sounds like anything really interesting is being done with these sounds. I'm sure I'll grow to appreciate it but I'd be interested in hearing from MIR or geeta others what you see in this.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 20 November 2004 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I also realize that in saying this I'm saying that he's challenging me, which I do appreciate.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 20 November 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm liking it better on second listen, when I could start to hear the melodies better and realize how their usually cleaner sound stands out against the hiss and also how more high-definition noise is juxtaposed with the cheaper-sounding hissier stuff.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 20 November 2004 06:42 (twenty-one years ago)

But e.g. track 10 still feels kind of like dead space.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 20 November 2004 06:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, track 10 is my favourite part! But I'm a huge fan of Chain Reaction (e.g. Fluxion, Ridio, beats + lotsa whooshing) and particularly the four Gas albums. I love the crackling and rumbling in the background -- in parts, it sounds like the bad old days when the tape recorder would partially eat your cassette and when you finally managed to untangle the mess, it would sound fractured upon playback. I love how the noises seem to slowly decay away until there's little more than grumbling bass remaining, somewhat reminiscent of Basinski's approach on "Disintegration Loops" (another album I've been listening to a lot recently).

The way the moods hazily evolve during the last twenty minutes is something he's never done quite this well before. Easily his best twenty consecutive maudlin minutes.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 20 November 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
i'm not sure if there's a thread on it (search is fucked) but i thought the new album, Harmony In Ultraviolet, which received raves from pitchfork, was dull as fuck and i really have a good attention span for laptoppery of this kind. thank god i didn't buy it.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 October 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

I think the new album is great!!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 20 October 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

Same here, I find it much better than Mirages.

Jena (JenaP), Friday, 20 October 2006 23:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.panic.com/audion/gallery/previews/trash.jpg

:(

glad you both enjoyed it tho.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 October 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

Pitchfork was correct in noting that he hasn't developed his sound too much over the last two or three albums, but still gave it an absurdly high rating. It's typically good stuff from Tim Hecker, but I'm going to hold back the high praise until he starts doing different stuff again.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 20 October 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

At least for the sake of "Chimeras" alone, please don't take this foolish step! xpost.

:'(

Jena (JenaP), Friday, 20 October 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

i haven't emptied it yet.

i'll try again tomorrow.

jed_ (jed), Friday, 20 October 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'm confounded by this guy, I just don't get it at all. the few times I've checked out his stuff I'm only left with the wish that I'd spent that time listening to anything else

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 20 October 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

radio amor is working well on this rainy day. i love how this album gets better and better is it goes on. and "azure azure" is the peak. niice. i need more hecker.

ROBIN TROUSERS (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:59 (seventeen years ago)

Man, I'm gonna pull out Radio Amor tonight. That's a great idea.

ilxor, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 01:10 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

Love sitting around listening to his albums on headphones while reading. An Imaginary Country, the newest, is pretty strong, imo.

mh, Wednesday, 18 November 2009 14:48 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

Just listening to "An Imaginary Country" and quite enjoying it. I agree that Hecker hasn't really developed his sound so much, and a part of me wants to be a little more critical of his more recent output... But he really pushes the right buttons for me, when I'm in a certain mood.

Anyone else got this new-ish one? I've certainly listened to it more than the last Fennesz (to flog that dead comparison once more)

Duke, Friday, 15 January 2010 20:47 (sixteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

http://www.sunblind.net/discography/ravedeath/ravedeath.html

cutty, Monday, 27 December 2010 15:07 (fifteen years ago)

awes cover

the tune is space, Monday, 27 December 2010 15:15 (fifteen years ago)

good song titles too imo

the tune is space, Monday, 27 December 2010 15:15 (fifteen years ago)

hope it's released early in 2011.

tim hecker is music for cold weather.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 27 December 2010 15:36 (fifteen years ago)

trust this will be reliably excellent

An Imaginary Country was super underrated imo, i rate it highly

i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Monday, 27 December 2010 16:17 (fifteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

so i might take a class taught by this guy!

flopson, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 22:14 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

wow, there are so many awfully-done reviews of this.

j., Saturday, 12 February 2011 08:38 (fourteen years ago)

'Ravedeath, 1972' is scratching me right where I itch. It somehow feels Hecker set out to make this his quintessential record. All his previous albums sort of flow into this one, combining his different approaches to sound/noise and melody. It's a very dark and threatening album (which is how I like Tim Hecker best).

La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 18 February 2011 13:38 (fourteen years ago)

the samples sound like they're in a similar vein to the "decaying music" of william basinski and the new version of the sinking of the titanic (an artist and a longform piece that i love).

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 18 February 2011 13:45 (fourteen years ago)

Do you mean the Bryars/Jeck/Alter Ego version of Titanic?

I love William Basinski to death. I wouldn't say Ravedeath, 1972 sound a whole lot like it though. Basinski tends to work way more from a certain starting point after which elements start to fall away or become shattered/bruised. This Hecker album is a lot more flowing, moving in way more directions than Basinski usually does, who in my opinion is more singular and focussed on one or just a couple of themes. Hecker changes hue and tone way more often. In terms of "decaying music", it's more polished than Basinski too, more 'clear' a sound, less damaged. It sounds more Fennesz-like glitchy than really decaying, I'd say.

But this is just after listening to the record twice. I am really, really enjoying it though.

La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 18 February 2011 13:53 (fourteen years ago)

Do you mean the Bryars/Jeck/Alter Ego version of Titanic?

yeah. one of my favorite items from last decade, actually (along with basinski's disintigration loops).

Daniel, Esq., Friday, 18 February 2011 13:56 (fourteen years ago)

'The Piano Drop' is already up there with my favourite Tim Hecker tracks. Not had a chance to digest RD1972 in its entirety yet.

He was great live at Cafe Oto last year, a few hints of the slight changes in style in there too. A couple of those moments where you turn to a friend and exhale and nod.

the worst dong of the last ten years (Craigo Boingo), Friday, 18 February 2011 14:00 (fourteen years ago)

i haven't heard the new record but Ned's AMG review makes me really eager to hear it!

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 18 February 2011 15:29 (fourteen years ago)

It's really good. (The record, can't speak for my review.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 February 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)

it's really good, but not as good as the record ;)

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 18 February 2011 15:34 (fourteen years ago)

j/k havent heard it, like i said. but i bet it's great. hecker's v consistent, i think most ppl slept on An Imaginary Country, which was totally great, might even say an improvement on Harmony...

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Friday, 18 February 2011 15:36 (fourteen years ago)

Enjoy:

http://ghostcapital.blogspot.com/2011/02/tim-hecker-live-at-la-sala-rossa.html

Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 February 2011 21:46 (fourteen years ago)

wow, there are so many awfully-done reviews of this.

lol otm too many empty adjectives. its strange too that as wonderful a record as this is that its almost an event

polymath & psychics club (Lamp), Monday, 21 February 2011 19:51 (fourteen years ago)

tim's been this consistent for what, nearly a decade now? he's put out mindblowing albums like radio amor, mirages, harmony in ultraviolet, an imaginary country—and people are finally losing their shit over this one? smdh

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Monday, 21 February 2011 19:54 (fourteen years ago)

^^^ Ilxor on the money, I don't understand the sudden buzz

La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 21 February 2011 19:55 (fourteen years ago)

As in it is a great album, but why is it suddenly hotcakes?

La descente infernale (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 21 February 2011 19:56 (fourteen years ago)

maybe the mainstream underground is finally ready for him?

Paradife Loft (diamonddave85), Monday, 21 February 2011 19:58 (fourteen years ago)

also the striking album cover and weird album title probably makes people go hmmm..

Paradife Loft (diamonddave85), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:00 (fourteen years ago)

oh! and cant forget BEST NEW MUSIC®

Paradife Loft (diamonddave85), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:01 (fourteen years ago)

bizarre week for p4k. honestly like 4 BNM's in the the past 3wks.

The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:04 (fourteen years ago)

idk i think i heard about tim hecker bcuz p4k was really into 'haunt me, haunt me' so its not weird that they gave him a good review

it was more just that every review is like "the highly anticapted release" or makes a claim for his status an "one of the most important artists" in ambient but 'imaginary country' sort of just came & went iirc, & its weird that there seems to be this consensus around him now

polymath & psychics club (Lamp), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:14 (fourteen years ago)

oh! and cant forget BEST NEW MUSIC®

pfork gave best new music to harmony in ultraviolet—rated it a bit higher, too, iirc

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)

feel this one is more accessible, the sound is more coherent, more like a single mass its not as much abt noisescapes, not as much layering or dynamics. idk it sounds different to me. i like it tho

but ya i think harmony in ultraviolet & haunt me were hyped too u guys are wrong

flopson, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:25 (fourteen years ago)

just browsing p4k... Fennesz's Endless Summer got a 9.4 but no BNM? What are their requirements??

The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:30 (fourteen years ago)

they havent always had best new music dude

just sayin, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:31 (fourteen years ago)

just browsing p4k... Fennesz's Endless Summer got a 9.4 but no BNM? What are their requirements??

you may be looking at the reissue of endless summer? it was repressed by mego sometime 2007-08 i think, was OOP for a while there

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:33 (fourteen years ago)

they havent always had best new music dude

or this—the original came out before BNM existed i guess

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:34 (fourteen years ago)

bowel [i]n movement

flopson, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:38 (fourteen years ago)

ok gross

obv previous records have been really well received my point was more abt the way this record has been (almost universally) framed as An Important Work for a Major Artist or w/e - this feels new to me

anyway its a rad record although not particularly accessible comparatively

polymath & psychics club (Lamp), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:43 (fourteen years ago)

Ok this is really good...slept on Tim Hecker up to this (it wasn't until opening this thread that I realised that Tim Hecker != Florian Hecker), will be investigating further.

Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:47 (fourteen years ago)

The last two releases have had one or two tracks that were standouts, or could stand alone, but I haven't listened to Ravedeath enough times to decide if there's anything like that here. Not that there needs to be, because the music is so damn good.

(off the top of my head, I would say that Chimeras and Borderlands are the two obvious picks from the last couple albums)

mh, Monday, 21 February 2011 20:57 (fourteen years ago)

its true nobody cared about imaginary country, but i was more into fantasma parastasie at the time

flopson, Monday, 21 February 2011 21:04 (fourteen years ago)

yesss that was a great record as well

Damn this thread seems so....different without ilxor (ilxor), Monday, 21 February 2011 21:20 (fourteen years ago)

(it wasn't until opening this thread that I realised that Tim Hecker != Florian Hecker)

tim hecker aka the good hecker ; )

am0n, Monday, 21 February 2011 21:23 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

i could swear that 'no drums' samples a really well-known ambient track or something like that, but i just can't place it—anyone recognize it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orqw_glNW3A

j., Thursday, 24 March 2011 06:23 (fourteen years ago)

six months pass...

tim hecker in shreveport, la this friday at what an old pumping station that has been converted into the "shreveport waterworks museum."

http://www.eventbrite.com/event/2225737240

shreveport is convenient to all kinds of places that are not shreveport. i will be there.

adam, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 16:08 (fourteen years ago)

ignore unnecessary words

adam, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 16:08 (fourteen years ago)

anyway this looks awesome and it's like $10. rooms at the best western off the interstate are very cheap and there's a full country breakfast buffet about which i am very excited.

adam, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 16:09 (fourteen years ago)

Sounds like a pretty awesome festival venue/lineup

( ) (mh), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 16:11 (fourteen years ago)

half my family is from Shreveport so I can firmly attest that there are lots of great places to eat. the most important thing is to go to Strawn's and get icebox pie, which is what God orders when He's in the mood for pie (their burgers and everything else they serve are also quite good). also go to Fertitta's and get a muffelata unless you don't eat meat; they are so awesome that my mom actually has one airmailed to me in Los Angeles every year as a birthday present.

in actual thread-relevant news I am ass over teakettle in love with the piano-sketch companion piece to Ravedeath which just came out today.

punk rock hyrax (jamescobo), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 16:26 (fourteen years ago)

in actual thread-relevant news I am ass over teakettle in love with the piano-sketch companion piece to Ravedeath which just came out today.

Ah, was going to ask about that. Good then?

psychedelicatessen (seandalai), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 16:37 (fourteen years ago)

it reminds me of the Caretaker, which is to say that I love it immensely.

punk rock hyrax (jamescobo), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 16:49 (fourteen years ago)

^^ that is completely otm and how I feel about it.

Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 16:51 (fourteen years ago)

dropped pianos is great.

thx for the eating recommendations, i was worried it would just be like 2 applebees and a chili's. though i am suspicious of any muffuletta outside of the 504 area code.

adam, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 17:10 (fourteen years ago)

I had a muffaletta when I went to New Orleans for a bachelor party in the spring. rest assured that Fertitta's owned it quite handily. I hate olives ordinarily but would mainline their olive spread if it were physically possible.

punk rock hyrax (jamescobo), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 01:38 (fourteen years ago)

Re: No Drums - sounds like either a Disintegration Loops sample or homage IMO.

Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 16:13 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

man, both his 2011 releases are so good! really was not feeling the direction he was going in with imaginary country and harmony.

where is fake disneyworld (blank), Saturday, 12 November 2011 20:55 (fourteen years ago)

I agree, he was running through the motions a bit with the last two albums, but "Ravedeath 1972" seems more, I don't know, extreme. "Dropped Pianos" seems really good too, although I still haven't given it a proper listen.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 12 November 2011 21:09 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

Ravedeath is essential listening, probably Tim's best ever (and that's saying something, he is consistent way beyond most artists).

Dropped Pianos is very pretty, but not essential.

ilxor, Monday, 2 January 2012 21:29 (fourteen years ago)

I didn't know of Hecker until last year, and Ravedeath/Pianos are pretty much always on in my house at the moment. Lovely, lovely music. Am working backwards through his other albums now.

Not only dermatologists hate her (James Morrison), Monday, 2 January 2012 23:28 (fourteen years ago)

'my love is rotten to the core' is playing at my house rn

Deist (Hungry4Aslan) (Lamp), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 01:39 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

Anyone else see any of these organ shows? I thought it was just about good enough but not transcendent - not enough organ, not loud enough.

toby, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 07:06 (thirteen years ago)

I was at the early one and agree with you.

I enjoyed being plunged into darkness but at times it just sounded like Ravedeath on CD going through the PA. If he was playing the organ then I certainly couldn't hear it. It sounded like a standard set.

Not like when Charlemagne Palestine did an organ show at St Giles. Now there's a guy who really played the thing.

Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 09:27 (thirteen years ago)

I was at the earlier performance in London last night too, t'was okay, not nearly as good as it could have been, I agree, plus my ass hurts from those crappy pews as St Giles.

sleigh tracks (1933-1969) (MaresNest), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 09:32 (thirteen years ago)

The one advantage of being at the late set was that I was drifting off towards the end, and it was good to really zone out to.

Can't imagine how great Charlemagne Palestine would have been there, very jealous of that.

toby, Tuesday, 7 February 2012 13:51 (thirteen years ago)

The Charlemagne Palestine gig was certainly unique. He played for six hours, non-stop from 4pm - 10pm.

There was hardly anyone there so people just lay on the floor by the altar and full length along the pews.

Here's a snippet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i20c4_ZWdKQ

And someone else's review... http://www.musicalcriticism.com/concerts/stgilesinfields-palestine-1008.shtml

Super Receptor (Barnaby, Hardly), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 14:15 (thirteen years ago)

Randomly found this recording of a St Giles show (I presume):

http://soundcloud.com/marcus-boleman/tim-hecker-live-organ-show-at

toby, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 09:22 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

"In The Fog II" just killing me today.

sean gramophone, Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:28 (thirteen years ago)

Ravedeath, 1972 won the Juno for Best Electronic Album of the Year. It was number one on my ballot; this makes me feel great.

heiswagger (rennavate), Thursday, 5 April 2012 17:40 (thirteen years ago)

if tim puts out a christmas album he's a lock for album of the year juno

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Thursday, 5 April 2012 18:04 (thirteen years ago)

five months pass...

Collab with Daniel Lopatin in the pipeline:

http://www.residentadvisor.net/news.aspx?id=17716

mod night at the oasis (NickB), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 11:23 (thirteen years ago)

Some great track titles there btw.

mod night at the oasis (NickB), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 11:23 (thirteen years ago)


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