RFI: Bill Fay

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Ever since I heard Jim O'Rourke & Glen Kotche's cover of his "Pictures of Adolph Again" I've been wondering about this guy. AMG kind of dismisses him as fake dylan. Is anything available on CD besides that outtakes session? Is that or anything else worth getting?

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm pretty sure Acme re-released at least one of his albums quite recently..

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Saturday, 16 October 2004 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

no, sorry, i've confused him with mellow candle (happens all the time, er..). there was a cd on see for miles of his deram nova and decca albums but it's out of print and a copy is currently going for 40 pounds on ebay...

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Saturday, 16 October 2004 06:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"from the bottom of an old grandfather clock," which apparently consists of rejected decca/deram demos and is supposed to be good. i haven't heard any of his stuff.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 16 October 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The CD on See For Miles records mentioned above is well worth getting if you like Barrett-era Floyd and his solo stuff, or more recent bands like Cardinal, Olivia Tremor Control and such. I would go so far as to say the first record is like Barrett crossed with Scott Walker 2.

Don't hear the Dylan, but AMG is crap so that figures.

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Saturday, 16 October 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

That outtakes thing is fabulous...I prefer it to the two albums proper. The Syd Barrett comparison's a little misleading--he's (or at least he sounds) more compos mentis by far. Scott Walker, maybe, but it's delicacy over bombast. And "fake Dylan" is just a lazy-ass comparison. But yeah, he's very good...worth hearing either way.

Dark Horse, Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know about more "compos mentis" than Syd - take a look at his photo on the Last Persecution! And I believe Bill Fay pulled a long disappearance a la Syd and Skip Spence, so I wouldn't bet your whole paycheck that Bill would be any more likely than Syd to show up if you payed him 10 bucks to rake your yard.

As for Scott Walker...do you have "The Room" on your Bill Fay disc? That's bombast!

Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Saturday, 16 October 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Current 93 has recorded a cover from Bill Fay. It's called "Time Of The Last Persecution" and it's a great song (I only listened to the cover; not the original).
Durtro Records, Current 93's own label is going to re-release an old Bill Fay Group record in the next months.

salvador, Sunday, 17 October 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
I am not at my most lucid at the moment, real hard day at work, but I own his "Time of The Last Persecution" record which I bought on ebay for an ineffable quantity of money, but it's well worth-it. I think it's absolutely awesome. It's backed by Ray Russel's (great) band, so the instrumentation / orchestration is always interesting. "Sing Us One Of Your Songs May" is so heartbreaking, I was listening to that today. His other s/t record is pretty swell, too.

It's a bit hard to find. Anyone interested in the mp3s of the record can email me.

Salvador Saca (Mr. Xolotl), Friday, 24 December 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Cool 4 page interview with Fay in the new Wire. Also news on the forthcoming reissues.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 17 February 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
I just shelled out $20 for the reissue of Time of the Last Persecution, which would be unfortunate, if it weren't fucking fantastic.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

I've got a cdr of the s/t and Persecution and I really prefer the second one. Some of the orchestration on the s/t is just distracting, but everything fits in place on Persecution.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Don't hear the Dylan

the dylan is all in the voice. not much else.

metal assembly (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

I like how the sticker on the album calls him "The missing link between Nick Drake, Ray Davies, and Bob Dylan."

Hmm, lets see:

Nick Drake -- Five Leaves Left, 1969
Kinks -- s/t, 1964
Bob Dylan -- s/t, 1962

Bill Fay -- s/t, 1970

How's that again?

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

If I ever reissue a record, no matter what it is, I'm going to write sticker copy that includes "RADIOHEAD" "JAMES BROWN" and "THE BEATLES" in big letters.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 13 June 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
On further listening to "Time of the Last Persecution," I think it's good, but falls short of "fantastic," as I initially said, mostly because the lyrics are quite awkward and weak at times.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 1 July 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

Dunno if anyone knew about this already, but Bill Fay was the studio guest on Stuart Maconie's Freakzone programme on the radio yesterday. Not listened to it yet, but it's available online all this week. Looks like a Momus vs. Comus death-match in the tracklist too.

NickB (NickB), Monday, 4 July 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)

six months pass...
anyone know what the deal with (possibly current) The Bill Fay Group cd i saw recently? i was able to listen to brief clips at the store, but it sounded jam bandy?

http://ominousdrone.com/shopping/limages/2109.jpg

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 26 January 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

That's a nice album cover.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 26 January 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

It's a damn nice record. Gary Smith on guitars instead of Ray Russell - not a bad stand-in! If you like Time of the Last Persecution, I can't imagine that you won't enjoy it. But I've got a terribly flaky memory, so can't really go into specifics. Marcello wrote some nice stuff on it somewhere on the internet I think. Will try and dig that up if I get the chance.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and it's the first release of a record originally recorded in the late seventies if you didn't already know.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)

Well, that was easy to find. (Where did Marcello go anyhow? Did I miss something? Hope he's in fine fettle anyhow...)

Looks like a readable review on Dusted here too.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

He has a new job, Nick. Less time for ILX, I think.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

Ah thanks - am glad to hear he's away for a nice reason. Hope he's enjoying the new job.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

He's back to updating ihttp://cookham.blogspot.com though. which is nice

mms (mms), Thursday, 26 January 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...
Yes, Bill Fay sounds like Dylan and Nick Drake, but in terms of atmosphere and production, "Time of the Last" falls somewhere between Judee sill's dreamy, elegy folk and Neil Young's "On the beach" subtle instruments.

The sometimes amateurish style of Fay's vocals, only adds to the quality of this record - it makes the songs more fragile and touching.
Ray Russell's 70's guitars are great, the lyrics are powerful, and it's one of the best folk rock records ever made.


emekars (emekars), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

Hoping for a highish placement for Last Persecution in the 70s poll but probably not gonna happen

Jamie_ATP, Friday, 1 January 2010 18:58 (fifteen years ago)

It was in my top 20...I really need to get the 3rd album too.

Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Friday, 1 January 2010 19:03 (fifteen years ago)

There are actually 5 albums now.

Bill Fay, Last Persecution, Tomorrow Tomorrow And Tomorrow (unreleased until 2005), From The Bottom Of An Old Grandfather Clock (demos from late 60s-early 70s) aaaaaaaaaaaand this month on Durtro there's a double release, one disc of more old 70s demos and a new album recorded in the last year. Waiting for it in the post right now...

http://mog1.state51.co.uk/tid/40802637d548a898547be12fd5e12dbceca64214/ecitrdw/fwoayblac/1225170960054.jpeg

Jamie_ATP, Friday, 1 January 2010 19:06 (fifteen years ago)

Hope the new album's better than its cover art...

Ork Alarm (Matt #2), Friday, 1 January 2010 19:21 (fifteen years ago)

four weeks pass...

http://copticcat.greedbag.com/buy/bill-fay-still-some-light-cd/

^ how is this new one Jamie?

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Saturday, 30 January 2010 11:58 (fifteen years ago)

my post/postman has been playing up so not arrived yet annoyingly.

Jamie_ATP, Saturday, 30 January 2010 12:00 (fifteen years ago)

Oof, that's vexing.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Saturday, 30 January 2010 12:03 (fifteen years ago)

Was just looking at it on emusic, but it'd wipe out most of my credits in one go.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Saturday, 30 January 2010 12:05 (fifteen years ago)

Oh wait, this is one of the 2009 tracks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo3bW9sEkwg

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Saturday, 30 January 2010 12:07 (fifteen years ago)

Sounds like he's just picked up where he left off, you'd hardly know all those years had passed.

Horrible cover art, looks like the Organisation album though, whose cover I like.

We should have called Suzie and Bobby (NickB), Saturday, 30 January 2010 12:21 (fifteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

The new album has some nice moments but it's mostly ruined by the dreadful production. The real treasure here is the old demos and such: the piano arrangement of "Love is the Tune" is the most shamelessly lovely thing I've heard from him.

Turangalila, Sunday, 21 February 2010 18:56 (fifteen years ago)

http://themagiclantern.tumblr.com/post/397515042/bill-fay-love-is-the-tune

And you can hear it on my tumblr. :)

Turangalila, Sunday, 21 February 2010 18:57 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

i just got this and am enjoying it immensely but the production (the bass specifically) on the reissued recordings sounds kinda weird to me. has anyone read the entire liner notes? i made it to the part about john boden and then promptly went blind.

the recent photographs are really cute too. wkiw bill fay.

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Monday, 5 April 2010 14:16 (fifteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Those liner notes are great, one of my favourite things about the release. I really love the archive stuff, i could listen to a thousand different versions of those songs and never get bored. Production isn't great but thats to be expected; there isn't really any production!

Yes the new stuff is definitely a little weak, those keyboards are very 80s phil collins/landing on water neil young. but still it's nice to hear him still going. From listening to Last Persecution you'd think he would have imploded/committed suicide from mental anguish some time in the 70s so it's lovely to hear that the guy from those songs is still there.

Love Bill Fay.

Jamie_ATP, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 10:45 (fifteen years ago)

one month passes...

'Time of the Last Persecution' seriously fucking me up today. What a bleak, beautiful album. Also, Ray Russell's band is amazing in it; just listen to the perfectly controlled chaos towards the end of the title track.

silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Monday, 24 May 2010 00:50 (fifteen years ago)

Some of the new tracks on his latest release oddly remind me of Spiritualized. That's just me, though. I wouldn't expect any of you to agree with me.

henry s, Monday, 24 May 2010 00:58 (fifteen years ago)

Haha, no, I can totally see what you're saying. Esp. in a song like "My Eyes Open".

silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Monday, 24 May 2010 01:01 (fifteen years ago)

Also, seconding Jamie ATP upthread:

From listening to Last Persecution you'd think he would have imploded/committed suicide from mental anguish some time in the 70s so it's lovely to hear that the guy from those songs is still there.

Indeed.

silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Monday, 24 May 2010 01:03 (fifteen years ago)

Endless SBummer

silence is a rhythm too (Turangalila), Monday, 24 May 2010 01:05 (fifteen years ago)

three months pass...

Some of the newer recordings are actual lyrically pretty beautiful and not that removed from his old stuff, its just a massive shame the production / arrangement lets them down.

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 22:50 (fifteen years ago)

nine months pass...

Got the first album on. GOD DAAAAAAMN IT'S SOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOD.

I'm A Genius, Too! (Jamie_ATP), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 15:30 (fourteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

http://www.resident-music.com/image/cache/data/pias/july12/DOC061CD-500x500.jpg

New album out in August:
http://www.deadoceans.com/onesheet.php?cat=DOC061

gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Sunday, 8 July 2012 19:50 (thirteen years ago)

Bill is reunited on several tracks with Ray Russell and drummer Alan Rushton, who played on Time Of The Last Persecution

fuck yes

gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Sunday, 8 July 2012 19:51 (thirteen years ago)

life is people

gonna send him to outer space, to hug another face (NickB), Sunday, 8 July 2012 19:52 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

great album. also has totally redeemed this from overplay for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4eexG3oaPA

Jamie_ATP, Monday, 20 August 2012 12:04 (thirteen years ago)

sounds lovely. is the rest of it that spare or are there other players on it?

tylerw, Monday, 20 August 2012 17:25 (thirteen years ago)

haven't heard this rec yet, but i know ray russell is on some of the tracks

Ward Fowler, Monday, 20 August 2012 17:47 (thirteen years ago)

the rest of it is a lot more band based, but not overly complicated - its fairly similar to some of the quieter
stuff from the first two albums

Jamie_ATP, Monday, 20 August 2012 22:47 (thirteen years ago)

I had no idea he was still alive!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 20 August 2012 23:04 (thirteen years ago)

oof this album *is* great.

tylerw, Friday, 24 August 2012 20:45 (thirteen years ago)

Nice bit on NPR:
http://www.npr.org/2012/08/19/158894907/bill-fay-a-cult-figure-returns-skeptical-but-optimistic

dow, Friday, 24 August 2012 21:04 (thirteen years ago)

This album is amazing

I'm not going leftfield on you... (hypehat), Monday, 27 August 2012 16:43 (thirteen years ago)

think i like the sparer piano songs the most, but the whole thing is stellar. "the neverending happening"!

tylerw, Monday, 27 August 2012 16:44 (thirteen years ago)

i can't wait to hear this

his collection of demos/outtakes is probably my favorite thing he's done (maybe that's just because it was the first thing i heard though?)and i just noticed that it's going for like $100?! on cd? crazy.

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 27 August 2012 16:54 (thirteen years ago)

Got the first album on. GOD DAAAAAAMN IT'S SOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOD.

― I'm A Genius, Too! (Jamie_ATP), Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:30 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ this! It's been a while since I've played it (came to Bill via the alt 70s poll back in 2009, went through a period of intense listening, and then shelved everything until yesterday).

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 2 September 2012 23:41 (thirteen years ago)

this album is v good

this is sort of what i'm expecting the next album by the apartments to sound like

ron pinot (electricsound), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 02:53 (thirteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

The new one is sooo good.

Duke, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 19:24 (thirteen years ago)

yeah it is.
though with all the religious stuff -- is he a straight up born again christian? was he always? obviously there was religious imagery on his earlier albums, but not quite as straight up as some of this.

tylerw, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 19:26 (thirteen years ago)

I've no idea. I've not found much info about him. (Not that I've really searched that hard, to be honest.)

Duke, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 19:48 (thirteen years ago)

Fay on Time of the Last Persecution:

"It was a religious album - my Slow Train Coming, I suppose," says Fay today. "Biblical ideas, prophecies and so on, had started to permeate and gradually I came to believe. I wasn’t trying to convert people, though. The record’s Christian, but hopefully not in a narrow way".

Duke, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 19:52 (thirteen years ago)

two months pass...

Tweets going round that Bill is on Jools Holland tonight, although there's no confirmation of this on any BBC page afaics.

Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 23 November 2012 11:14 (thirteen years ago)

https://twitter.com/DeadOceans/status/271627766544363520

Albert Crampus (NickB), Friday, 23 November 2012 11:17 (thirteen years ago)

and here you go...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xa7EhiCTyA

Albert Crampus (NickB), Saturday, 24 November 2012 10:17 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

Any idea what's going on with the Life Is People record?

kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Friday, 11 January 2013 03:50 (twelve years ago)

c21m50nh3x460n

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mookieneb (buzza), Friday, 11 January 2013 04:03 (twelve years ago)

buzzz

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kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Friday, 11 January 2013 04:13 (twelve years ago)

going on with it? in what respect?

absolvents (electricsound), Friday, 11 January 2013 04:15 (twelve years ago)

Dead Oceans sold out of the LP. So I'm wondering when they will do a second pressing. And some of the records from the first pressing were damaged I heard.

kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Friday, 11 January 2013 04:18 (twelve years ago)

Yes, my local record stores tell me the first pressing was faulty and the second pressing is still nowhere to be seen.

Duke, Friday, 11 January 2013 09:06 (twelve years ago)

Bollocks, spent ages looking for a copy. Hope they sort it out...

insert witticism here (hypehat), Friday, 11 January 2013 10:06 (twelve years ago)

what was faulty about it? mine played fine, though i guess it may vary depending on country

Jamie_ATP, Friday, 11 January 2013 10:16 (twelve years ago)

Alright, chaps, some semigood news.

Today Dead Oceans said a second pressing is in the works and that they should have it back on their site 'soon!'.

kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Friday, 11 January 2013 18:33 (twelve years ago)

According to SC Distribution, it should be back in record shops. I'll check this weekend.

kafkaesque (c21m50nh3x460n), Saturday, 12 January 2013 00:29 (twelve years ago)

eleven months pass...

This album is a slept-on beauty.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 December 2013 22:26 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

http://pitchfork.com/news/58537-bill-fay-announces-who-is-the-sender-shares-war-machine-lyric-video/

jamiesummerz, Thursday, 19 February 2015 15:39 (ten years ago)

six months pass...

the new album is too beautiful

F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, 20 August 2015 20:26 (ten years ago)

three years pass...

Pep is a fan:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45918581

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 25 October 2018 11:53 (seven years ago)

Wow, Pep!

Alma Kirby (Tom D.), Thursday, 25 October 2018 12:43 (seven years ago)

one year passes...

your boy Bill is back, new LP in January

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PxfcGYd12I&feature=emb_title

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 10:40 (six years ago)

two months pass...

Loving this new one.

gman59, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 17:23 (five years ago)

I came here to post the same thing. It's sombre and I want to give him a cuddle but there is a spidery lightness to what he's doing.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 17:25 (five years ago)

These songs are instantly love-able and feel as if they've always been around. So glad he's still making music. This piece about it was great too https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/15/arts/music/bill-fay-countless-branches.html

gman59, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 17:52 (five years ago)

I struggled with the last one, so wasn't sure whether to get this. I loved Life Is People though.

Duke, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 19:18 (five years ago)

Not heard anything of him since Life Is People myself, but so far I think this is rather lovely.

calzino, Friday, 24 January 2020 16:05 (five years ago)

eight months pass...

Holy shit, I just finished my first listen to Time of the Last Persecution. This is incredible. I'm not sure what I was expecting, but this wasn't it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 28 September 2020 19:49 (five years ago)

oh dude this year is not a good time for a bump. but you're right, it's immense. I don't think it'll ever fall out of my personal top ten.

The debut is also fantastic, as are the three comps of unreleased stuff from around the time... this one is a standout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBlqIzdf2B8

then once you've processed that, the three recent comebacks on Dead Oceans are a lovely low key comeback.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 11:05 (five years ago)

Ah, shit, yeah. I forgot about the risk of bumping an old thread in this of all years. I actually ended up ordering his new one last night, so I'm looking forward to that.

I just didn't expect TotLP to resonate with me so strongly. I guess the "folkie" tag I'd read and the slightly disheveled photo on the cover had me expecting something less... polished, for lack of a better word. But, man, I guess I could have bumped the "classic albums you were knocked out by".

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 13:52 (five years ago)

Must put this on again. I haven't list3ened to it in ages.

Duke, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 20:16 (five years ago)

three weeks pass...

Since that last post I've picked up both the new one and Who is the Sender?, both totally different in tone from TotLP but really beautiful.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 19:51 (five years ago)

And someone needs to reissue that From the Bottom of an Old Grandfather Clock comp. Upthread someone noted that the CD was going for over a $100, now it’s going for close to $500!

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 1 November 2020 19:32 (five years ago)

I just heard Time of the Last Persecution recently. His voice sounds to me more like a very glum Ian Hunter than Dylan.

The whole record has a weird, grey, bleak numbed-out feel that I associate more with post-punk than anything else from 1970. The plain lucidity of the production looks forward to Pere Ubu or the early Mekons that I have heard (even of nothing else is similar) instead of singer-songwriter records of the time.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 1 November 2020 21:00 (five years ago)

Never heard of the comp jon mentions! o_O

Probably something for a new thread, but Bill Fay is one of the very few artists I both love and find it ex-tre-me-ly hard to listen to, as it reduces me to a mess. Really have to go slow and take small portions, because it's just too beautiful and it hurts too much.

A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 1 November 2020 21:04 (five years ago)

four years pass...

R.I.P

nostormo, Sunday, 23 February 2025 05:50 (ten months ago)

The only thing ive heard is the still some light home recordings. Lovely.
r.i.p

bert newtown, Sunday, 23 February 2025 10:07 (ten months ago)

RIP Bill. I'm generally wary of "undiscovered genius" types but this guy was good.

Please play Lou Reed's irritating guitar sounds (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 February 2025 10:23 (ten months ago)

Time of the Last Persecution is simply incredible. RIP Bill.

Zelda Zonk, Sunday, 23 February 2025 11:32 (ten months ago)

RIP Bill. There aren't a lot of Christians I respect specifically _for_ being Christian. Of those few, Bill was perhaps the best of them. The best Christian.

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 23 February 2025 16:36 (ten months ago)


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